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It's about 25% of the population. And yes, they want all of those things, or are completely fine with them, which is just as bad.

Sorry, yes. 50% of the voting population. You're right. But I absolutely do not believe that. There's no politician out there, that fulfills your every wish.

It's the same as saying as 25% of the population supports storing confidential emails on their personal phones, because their candidate did that. It doesn't make sense and it's a generalization.

If Trump starts to make laws that makes it legal to "electrocute" anyone, we can talk.

No matter who you vote for, there are bounds to be things that you can't agree with. Unless you are voting for yourself, that is.

Stating that everyone who voted for Trump is a supporter of electrocution, deportation and what have we is, in my opinion, really ignorant and definitely not true.

edit: And wtf. Only 50% of the people eligible to vote, actually votes?!
 
Yes, about 50% of the population in US wants to opdress, deport and electrocute people. Every single one of them.

Actually about 50% of people eligible to vote didn't vote at all.

So it was just under 25% of people eligible to vote who voted for a candidate that campaigned promising to oppress, deport and torture people.
 
Actually about 50% of people eligible to vote didn't vote at all.

So it was just under 25% of people eligible to vote who voted for a candidate that campaigned promising to oppress, deport and torture people.

50% of the voters said "I dunno, we'll just have what you guys are having."
 
Sorry, yes. 50% of the voting population. You're right. But I absolutely do not believe that. There's no politician out there, that fulfills your every wish.

It's the same as saying as 25% of the population supports storing confidential emails on their personal phones, because their candidate did that. It doesn't make sense and it's a generalization.

If Trump starts to make laws that makes it legal to "electrocute" anyone, we can talk.

No matter who you vote for, there are bounds to be things that you can't agree with. Unless you are voting for yourself, that is.

Stating that everyone who voted for Trump is a supporter of electrocution, deportation and what have we is, in my opinion, really ignorant and definitely not true.
Oh, we're back to the "we don't know what Trump really wants" shit.
 
Yes, about 50% of the population in US wants to opdress, deport and electrocute people. Every single one of them.

Even if they don't, it is what they voted for.

They decided to throw everyone else under the bus so they can maybe live a better life under Trump. Making others suffer so you have your way. That does not really sound any better to me.
 
Oh, we're back to the "we don't know what Trump really wants" shit.

But you don't, though. Do you? Given how often he has changed opinion on a variety of issues, can you really say for certain what he plans on doing?

Even if they don't, it is what they voted for.

They decided to throw everyone else under the bus so they can maybe live a better life under Trump. Making others suffer so you have your way. That does not really sound any better to me.

I don't believe that. Many voted against Hillary, not for Trump. Sure, you have some racist bigots making a lot of noise, but do you honestly think that the majority of the voters, who voted for Trump, are in favor of opressing minorities?

If you vote for Hitler because of his economic policies even after you know his plans for minorities and Jews, you're still responsible for the shit he does. You accept it, you approve it.

Shame fucking shit here. People don't get to was away their responsibility for this mess.

I do love that the only thing you can think of is about the emails, a fucking tiny ass thing compared to the fucking human rights if your fellow citizens

I'm not American. I was just making an example. Do you know which plans Trump has? Does anyone know? Does he even know, himself? Also, Godwins Law.
 
Sorry, yes. 50% of the voting population. You're right. But I absolutely do not believe that. There's no politician out there, that fulfills your every wish.

It's the same as saying as 25% of the population supports storing confidential emails on their personal phones, because their candidate did that. It doesn't make sense and it's a generalization.

If Trump starts to make laws that makes it legal to "electrocute" anyone, we can talk.

No matter who you vote for, there are bounds to be things that you can't agree with. Unless you are voting for yourself, that is.

Stating that everyone who voted for Trump is a supporter of electrocution, deportation and what have we is, in my opinion, really ignorant and definitely not true.
If you vote for Hitler because of his economic policies even after you know his plans for minorities and Jews, you're still responsible for the shit he does. You accept it, you approve it.

Shame fucking shit here. People don't get to was away their responsibility for this mess.

I do love that the only thing you can think of is about the emails, a fucking tiny ass thing compared to the fucking human rights if your fellow citizens
 
But you don't, though. Do you? Given how often he has changed opinion on a variety of issues, can you really say for certain what he plans on doing?
Ugh, you just said people don't need to align with everything when voting for a candidate and now you're saying we don't know what he believes to even align with.

So instead of playing games, how about day 1 we make it very clear, crystal clear what we don't want.
 
I'm not American. I was just making an example. Do you know which plans Trump has? Does anyone know? Does he even know, himself? Also, Godwins Law.

Why vote for anyone then? Can anyone possibly know what plans anybody ever has?

The entire premise of political candidates is that a politician will act based on the platform they put before the people who vote for or against them.
 
Ugh, you just said people don't need to align with everything when voting for a candidate and now you're saying we don't know what he believes to even align with.

So instead of playing games, how about day 1 we make it very clear, crystal clear what we don't want.

And both of those statements are absolutely true. And you have every right to make it clear to the world, what you don't want. I haven't argued against that.

Why vote for anyone then? Can anyone possibly know what plans anybody ever has?

50% of the eligible voters apparantly share that sentiment. Most politicians do have some sort of plan or idea about what they wish to implement in their term. I haven't really seen anything of that from Trump.
 
Yeah, I know unity feels like a good narrative to say right now, but the President-Elect said that my people are rapists and bringing drugs into the US.

Do people really want me to unite with them? You can say that you don't really believe in what he says or whatever, but you still voted for the guy so there's at least a chance that you don't mind what he said about Mexicans.

People want to talk about not demonizing Trump voters, but Donald Trump has demonized my people and others his entire campaign and he's going to the White House in a few months. Do people really expect me to be ok with it?

And yeah people can say "Well we really don't know what he wants". Yeah, well, he campaigned on that fear. It doesn't matter if he really believes it or not, he ran on that shit.
 
And both of those statements are absolutely true. And you have every right to make it clear to the world, what you don't want. I haven't argued against that.



50% of the eligible voters apparantly share that sentiment. Most politicians do have some sort of plan or idea about what they wish to implement in their term. I haven't really seen anything of that from Trump.
It's been one day and his environmental policy is already a pending disaster. This policy alone warrants mass protests.
 
And both of those statements are absolutely true. And you have every right to make it clear to the world, what you don't want. I haven't argued against that.



50% of the eligible voters apparantly share that sentiment. Most politicians do have some sort of plan or idea about what they wish to implement in their term. I haven't really seen anything of that from Trump.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1311414

This dude does not deserve the benefit of doubt.
 
Bu...but you do realize that by protesting Trump's win you are marching AGAINST the concept of democratic elections?

Democracy is good. America has voted.
Trump is your president.
Deal with it!

Time for "unity". And you know, stop being "intolerant".
Take the L and be a good person.

I concur.
 
But you don't, though. Do you? Given how often he has changed opinion on a variety of issues, can you really say for certain what he plans on doing?

Things that have been steady traits or beliefs of Donald Trump:

He's incredibly insecure.

He has little to no empathy for others.

He seems unhinged in moments of stress.

He has an unyielding love for Putin and other dictators.

So yes we don't know what Trump will decide to keep as his final plans but we do know that he will probably be an oppressive force that will give zero fucks about women and minorities. He will not be standing up for them. Trump will not be a President who consoles the families of mass shooting victims or sings amazing grace at a eulogy.
 
Sorry, yes. 50% of the voting population. You're right. But I absolutely do not believe that. There's no politician out there, that fulfills your every wish.

It's the same as saying as 25% of the population supports storing confidential emails on their personal phones, because their candidate did that. It doesn't make sense and it's a generalization.

If Trump starts to make laws that makes it legal to "electrocute" anyone, we can talk.

No matter who you vote for, there are bounds to be things that you can't agree with. Unless you are voting for yourself, that is.

Stating that everyone who voted for Trump is a supporter of electrocution, deportation and what have we is, in my opinion, really ignorant and definitely not true.

edit: And wtf. Only 50% of the people eligible to vote, actually votes?!

Someone on twitter posted that "People who hate trump took him literally, and not seriously, people who voted for him took him seriously, but not literally."

I saw a lot of this where "scandal" and "shocking" stories were published about what trump said because they took the literal meaning of the words he used.

But if you talked to a supporter they would say "well that's not actually going to happen" or "that's just rhetoric, he can't actually do that". And their feeling was that it was hyperbolic statements being made to put an exclamation point on a more milder policy.

"We must block all muslims" as an extreme, attention grabbing way of saying "We have to be careful about what refugees we take and how we screen them".

"They're sending rapists from mexico" as an extreme, attention grabbing way of saying "We need to be more careful about who comes over the border from mexico and send back the people who commit heinous crimes while they are here illegally".

I think this is key to why all the negative stories fell hollow. Sometimes it was because those readers were racist shitbags and actually thought that we could deport 11 million people. Sometimes it's because they see the things that all people running for office say as false and hyped up versions of what will actually happen.

I heard this so many times from my family, who were incredulous that he would actually be able to accomplish his outrageous claims, and if prompted would tell you that they wouldn't want 11 million deportations or all muslims to be blocked.

It's Trump's negotiation tactic. If someone is selling something for $500, you tell them you'll pay $100, because you know you want it for $350. You start with the extreme and work down until you come to something that you can both agree on. Unfortunately this is totally irresponsible and shameful as a presidential candidate because in this case saying you'll pay $100 is actually saying stuff that incites and enables a racist, hateful demographic that actually believes that those things will happen.

What I hope happens is that now that he's got his deal and got what he wanted, he can start to avoid having to make these outrageous statements and policies and actually try to work with both sides. We will find out soon enough, and I'm sure we will know quickly if its best case or worst case for the next 4 years.
 
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1311414

This dude does not deserve the benefit of doubt.

Thanks, I hadn't seen that one. I'll go through the list later today, hopefully!

Someone on twitter posted that "People who hate trump took him literally, and not seriously, people who voted for him took him seriously, but not literally."

I have read that in Danish media as well. The American elections are vile and several Danish politicians have declared, that they hope that the American way of politics never reach our country. It becomes a race to the bottom, and to get your message through you need to be extreme. But time will tell, whether he actually plans to deport 11 million people or whether he just wants tighter control of the borders. No matter what you voted, the next 4 years will be very interesting.

My guess? Some things Obama did will be reversed, other things wont and there'll also be a free US in 4 years.
 
All they're succeeding in doing is reaffirming Republican opinion of liberals. And holding up traffic. That's about it. Midwest won and the coasts are mad.

But I get that a lot of people need to vent.
 
Bu...but you do realize that by protesting Trump's win you are marching AGAINST the concept of democratic elections?

In democratic elections he would have lost.

I've never understood why Americans accept this bizarre voting system that they have. You do realize democratic elections don't usually work this way, right? Usually the candidate who gets the most votes, wins. Like Hillary Clinton.
 
In democratic elections he would have lost.

I've never understood why Americans accept this bizarre voting system that they have. You do realize democratic elections don't usually work this way, right? Usually the candidate who gets the most votes, wins. Like Hillary Clinton.

They both agree to the system they take part in.

A state with a large population gives a lot of electoral votes. Said state could be heavily liberal. This would explain the popular vote being skew in the case of other states being more split. In any case it's a 200k difference in a country of 319 million.

It's not rocket science and it's the voting system that they agreed to play by. It's democratic.
 
Jesus, no one's saying they shouldn't be allowed to protest, or that they should have their right to protest taken away. They can have their little tantrum by all means.

It's just that choosing to protest the result of a free and fair election is utterly fucking stupid and makes everyone taking part in it look like spoiled children.
 
Jesus, no one's saying they shouldn't be allowed to protest, or that they should have their right to protest taken away. They can have their little tantrum by all means.

It's just that choosing to protest the result of a free and fair election is utterly fucking stupid and makes everyone taking part in it look like spoiled children.

So it's a tantrum when people take exception to a bigot who wants to ruin minorities' and women's lives takes the highest office in the land along with a Republican majority.

Mmkay.
 
Jesus, no one's saying they shouldn't be allowed to protest, or that they should have their right to protest taken away. They can have their little tantrum by all means.

It's just that choosing to protest the result of a free and fair election is utterly fucking stupid and makes everyone taking part in it look like spoiled children.
No, it just means they are using democracy, not bowing down toe fascists that want to shut them up.
Protests are a staple of democracy. Deal with it. The people have spoken, and the majority of them want Clinton. That the system is so fucked that the will of the people is being ignored is worthy of protest. As is every one of Trump's horrible, destructive policies. The only spoiled children are the ones that think people should just sit back and take this shit.
So it's a tantrum when people take exception to a bigot who wants to ruin minorities' and women's lives takes the highest office in the land along with a Republican majority.

Mmkay.
Yep. Protesting because your human rights are going to be taken away is now supposedly "childish".
 
In democratic elections he would have lost.

I've never understood why Americans accept this bizarre voting system that they have. You do realize democratic elections don't usually work this way, right? Usually the candidate who gets the most votes, wins. Like Hillary Clinton.
You can't just take the votes from the current system and say "if this were a different system she would have won". That's not how it works. In a system where the absolute amount of votes decides the winner people in "red" and "blue" states would vote totally different than they do now. Clinton won (wonder if that small 0.1% margin across all states would stand up to a recount) in popular votes because Cali happens to be a solid dem state with a big population. If their vote counted in an absolute system, don't you think a lot more republicans might have voted there? Just one example...
 
Jesus, no one's saying they shouldn't be allowed to protest, or that they should have their right to protest taken away. They can have their little tantrum by all means.

It's just that choosing to protest the result of a free and fair election is utterly fucking stupid and makes everyone taking part in it look like spoiled children.

Is it spoiled for protesting the the idea that you might become opressed, that your rights might be taken away, that you might become a victim of hate crime as a result of a president empowering said inciters of hate?
 
You can't just take the votes from the current system and say "if this were a different system she would have won". That's not how it works. In a system where the absolute amount of votes decides the winner people in "red" and "blue" states would vote totally different than they do now. Clinton won (wonder if that small 0.1% margin would stand up to a recount) in popular votes because Cali happens to be a solid dem state with a big population. If their vote counted in an absolute system, don't you think a lot more republicans might have voted there? Just one example...
Appllying the same logic, there would be a lot more demo votes too.
 
You can't just take the votes from the current system and say "if this were a different system she would have won". That's not how it works. In a system where the absolute amount of votes decides the winner people in "red" and "blue" states would vote totally different than they do now. Clinton won (wonder if that small 0.1% margin across all states would stand up to a recount) in popular votes because Cali happens to be a solid dem state with a big population. If their vote counted in an absolute system, don't you think a lot more republicans might have voted there? Just one example...
Why wouldn't it stand a recount? Why would there be more republicans in a popular vote? Strange bias there.
 
Appllying the same logic, there would be a lot more demo votes too.
Of course. I didn't want to show how Trump would definitely still win, I just wanted to show that you can't just apply votes from one system to the other while ignoring the changes circumstances.

You could even take that thought even farther, under that voting system the campaigns would be different, too. Less focus on swing states (or even the concept of swing states) to name a very obvious example.
 
Jesus, no one's saying they shouldn't be allowed to protest, or that they should have their right to protest taken away. They can have their little tantrum by all means.

It's just that choosing to protest the result of a free and fair election is utterly fucking stupid and makes everyone taking part in it look like spoiled children.

So god damn narrow sighted and narrow minded. You know what else you could have said for similar protests in history following your logic?

During Occupy you could have said protesters are spoiled children, those bankers made off with millions and plunged the world's economy using "free and fair" laws that were in place.

During the Civil Rights movement you could have said protesters are spoiled children, there's no "free and fair" law that forbids employers from discriminating against them based on their race. They should just sit back and accept that Employers can just sit back and hire and pay people based on their race.

Get some god damn perspective.
 
Democracy doesn't start and end with voting. Protesting is a fundamental part of democracy.

Yes, but let's be real here, they aren't protesting, they are whining about the outcome of an election that involved the people directly, it wasn't a government action, it was done for and by the people, everyone had a say in it, direct democracy at work.

Additionally everyone knew the terms and conditions and again everyone was fine with them until it got them the wrong result. Now to come up and say "But she won the popular vote" and so on right after the election is over is pathetic. You only care now because you're disappointed otherwise you would have protested the process before the election so it works the way you want it to and most importantly equal for all candidates.

But lets say they are really protesting, was is the intention? To raise awareness to the government that people are unhappy? Like "look, we asked the people of this nation but this small but vocal group disagrees with the result, let's pull that result and rethink it? Lol that's not how it works, not at all.

You are of course free to feel disappointed but a democracy should be able to handle the result of a direct democratic process with dignity.
 
Yes, but let's be real here, they aren't protesting, they are whining about the outcome of an election that involved the people directly, it wasn't a government action, it was done for and by the people, everyone had a say in it, direct democracy at work.

Additionally everyone knew the terms and conditions and again everyone was fine with them until it got them the wrong result. Now to come up and say "But she won the popular vote" and so on right after the election is over is pathetic. You only care now because you're disappointed otherwise you would have protested the process before the election so it works the way you want it to and most importantly equal for all candidates.

But lets say they are really protesting, was is the intention? To raise awareness to the government that people are unhappy? Like "look, we asked the people of this nation but this small but vocal group disagrees with the result, let's pull that result and rethink it? Lol that's not how it works, not at all.

You are of course free to feel disappointed but a democracy should be able to handle the result of a direct democratic process with dignity.
what direct democracy? The US isn't a direct democracy. Factually, the majority of the voters voted Clinton. If the US was indeed a direct democracy, Clinton would be president right now.
 
People thinking they protesting the election. Heh. Like it sucks but I hope he shows his ass so maybe some of you understand the fuck is going on.
 
what direct democracy? The US isn't a direct democracy. Factually, the majority of the voters voted Clinton. If the US was indeed a direct democracy, Clinton would be president right now.

A direct democracy means that the citizens decide on all policies. That's it. Some cantons in Switzerland runs like that.

From what I understand, you can have direct democracy and still support the US electoral system.
 
what direct democracy? The US isn't a direct democracy. Factually, the majority of the voters voted Clinton. If the US was indeed a direct democracy, Clinton would be president right now.

jesus, as in the people voted, every vote no matter the background, status, ... had the same weight. you can't give the people a more direct say in how they want to shape the political culture of a country
 
A direct democracy means that the citizens decide on all policies. That's it. Some cantons in Switzerland runs like that.

From what I understand, you can have direct democracy and still support the US electoral system.
In fact all the state proposals ARE direct democracy. Cali voting to legalise weed? Direct democracy right there.
 
jesus, as in the people voted, every vote no matter the background, status, ... had the same weight. you can't give the people a more direct say in how they want to shape the political culture of a country

This is only true on a state, rather than a national, level though. The value of an individual someone voting Hillary in a deeply red state is effectively rendered valueless because there's a reduction of resolution placed ontop of that which eliminates it completely.

That's the electoral system you have in the US, so I guess those are the rules you have to go by, but saying that you have a democracy in which every vote is weighted equally which it comes to electing your president is simply factually inaccurate.

There's never not a good time to protest against an anachronistic electorial system, honestly. If losing an election is what glavanises people to properly scrutinise things, that's probably good, though good luck on getting anything done about it with the current government you guys have!
 
I don't see what's wrong for protesting Donald Trump for not liking him.

Obama was protested at all for much less, so I'm not surprised that people are marching in traffic against the great discriminator Trump.
 
jesus, as in the people voted, every vote no matter the background, status, ... had the same weight. you can't give the people a more direct say in how they want to shape the political culture of a country
Factually wrong, votes did not have the same weight. Quite fucking literally, the EC system makes it so some states's votes are more valuable than others.
 
Everyone in this thread against protesting (HOW can you be against protesting?????), you do realize that many people are hoping that their voice gets heard and the upcoming government adjusts its stance, even a little? Protesting can lead to change, and the change that's needed in this case are the views that only white males seem to matter.
 
Please don't say that everyone agrees to the electoral college, everyone is not fine with it but it can't be changed easily. In what kind of situation can you reasonably expect one side to let go of an advantage if for it to happen both sides have to agree? Even more so now that it has happened in 2 of the past 5 elections.

Maintaining the electoral college advantage is not what the GOP needs to worry about though. There's a big scary map much more threatening to the GOP. I'm talking about the one showing the results of the election had only millennials voted. The country's move in that direction is inevitable.
 
Even if they don't, it is what they voted for.

They decided to throw everyone else under the bus so they can maybe live a better life under Trump. Making others suffer so you have your way. That does not really sound any better to me.
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