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PS4 Neo presentation might have leaked
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
On paper this looks cheap to manufacture. A minimal price-bump may prove to be a smarter choice than going higher spec/higher cost. Especially if Sony plan to follow-up with a much stronger PS5 in the next 2-3 years.
That's not what I took from the document. It says prototype hardware returns start in 2017, and mass produced units may already be available before then
Schweinehund
Member
CPU still looks weak to me :/.
I'll consider picking it up if this their next hardware cycle instead of a stopgap.
I'll consider picking it up if this their next hardware cycle instead of a stopgap.
Pimpbaa
Member
You ignored the part about him saying people are not going to want to leave the PlayStation ecosystem. People switched this gen because you had to leave your old games behind no matter what you went with. This is a mid generation spec bump where they will play the same games. People are not just going to dump their games so soon. People of course can own multiple systems, but I would guess they are not the norm.
You do realize that you mean backwards compatibility and not forwards right?
Forwards compatibiltity would mean all PS5 games have to work on NEO and PS4, which would devalue what a hypothetical PS5 would be and as a concept totally stinks.
We can have cross gen games designed for PS4/NEO and BC on PS5 without having to mandate all PS5 games run feature parity with PS4. That would be nonsense.
Its a stopgap, otherwise it would be more powerful and not be coming out this year.
No.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
You are going to be disappointed if you think Neo can run these games at 1080p/60fps at the same visual quality we currently see. Both will be 1080p/30fps.
No AAA game like Gran Turismo is going to come anywhere near a native 4K. I doubt indies will even hit that.
Herp Derpington
Member
I'd argue the opposite. If Scorpio is worth it people will switch. At least in the US.
LukasTaves
Member
Edit: I didn't realized I already answered this, guess I'm kinda tired lol
Sony releasing this I think for PSVR. Also MS specs not set, possibly different CPU could be a big thing. Sony jumped the gun to get a system that made PSVR look not too bad, for a price jump that wasn't as much it looks like to keep overall costs down.
If you had to get PSVR and new Sony console together and costs were $800+, it would fail. Without new Sony system, it possibly is not going to be as good as they want. So you release a minor upgrade, that is cheaper and call in 4.5. I think this is a mistake. They should have just waited another year then for PSVR or more if the original PS4 wasn't up to task.
nope
Because the console is a fixed platform. The PC you can make tweaks and has modular hardware. Everyone's system is different. So people who've spent more money than others run it at a higher fidelity and framerate. And yes, even on PC you have games that are locked to 30fps, that people mod to be able to unlock and run at higher framerates. But for consoles, it's entirely the devs vision, what they want you to experience, they aren't just going to leave the game at an unlocked framerate (it's very rare that a game allows those kinds of options).
Frankly, people who believe that we'll be seeing more games running at 60fps on the scorpio just haven't been paying attention.. We've seen time and time again that on consoles, most devs seems to prefer to use the extra power to have a prettier game than run it at a higher framerate.
qa_engineer
Member
Slides look bogus only because it looks unprofessional with a few slides having way too much information in the space provided. but could be real.
LukasTaves
Member
No, I mean forward.
Ms is promising that when xbone 2 is launched some games will still run on xbone, and if you purchase it once you'll be able to play on xbone 2 with better graphics/framerate.
Of course there will be a point where the current xbone will have to be dropped, but then scorpio becomes the low end model and the trend continues.
LMFAO.
That's not at all how it works.
First of all, everybody that has a PS4 will have a library that's 100% compatible with psNeo, including the digital collection of games.
The xbox brand is dead in asia and continental europe. They are never coming back there.
The only thing they could potentially win back would be America and the UK.
Except it's not like Sony is gonna "drop dead". The catalog of unique games is far more important on Sony's consoles.
If you care about anything but game library, then you don't buy a console to begin with.
geordiemp
Member
If MS put in an 8 core I5 class CPU and Sony an Atom class CPU....
MS double their bandwidth, sony small bump.
MS Win 10 will allow PC optimisations, all games 60 FPS, Neo will not, Incompetence.
Its about time consoles did full 1080p60 high quality image gaming first, we are not there yet
Jakartalado
Member
Why do you say that?
Horizon Zero Dawn already runs at 1080p and 30 fps on the regular PS4.
About Final Fantasy XV, I can't say anything since their engine sucks a lot in terms of perfomance and they don't have much time to improve.
framerate, especially for open world games, is heavily dependent on the CPU
dead monkey uk
Member
Did you read the document they are talking about resolutions above 1080p, we do not know what the improvements of the Neo will bring. But I agree native 4K gaming on the Neo is not happening.
family_guy
Member
Yeah, the idea that a console in 2019 or later will have to be held back by hardware made in 2013 so they can have the same library would be crazy.
TalentBurke
Member
Guess you missed out on the Ps1 and PS2 era.
Then why is Sony releasing the NEO? They don't seem to be reacting to a competitor, but just their own decision.
The minor increase that this appears to be is not worth the upgrade for me. Maybe for others it will be. If I had desktop/laptop and the next model hat that specs difference, I'd just wait for the next upgrade, which I will do and keep my PS4.
I'm afraid you're going to get 30FPS regardless of how powerful whatever future consoles are, unless developers suddenly start to prefer framerate over eye candy
MisterXDTV
Member
Just as I said before, Sony will do the same: a very soft cross-gen phase that will eventually end but not suddenly...
I mean we had Rise of the Tomb Raider released on 360 last year... It's not that difficult to execute.....
It will probably won't make a difference at all as long as Sony don't screw up at some point. Time has proven, the most powerful doesn't necessary win. This has been true for the last 3 gens. I can see t being LTTP and overpriced, appealing to a subset of gamers, akin to the elite controller.
1) appeal to 4K tv owners
2) potential to sell a new PS4 to existing PS4 owners
3) potential to upsell potential PS4 owners to more expensive hardware, while still offering a cheapo version
there hasn't been any kind of rumors with an ounce of credibility suggesting PSVR has anything to do with Neo
LukasTaves
Member
If you look at the specs/requirements it does sound like it was one of the goals.
I think the main goal was to match high end Pc gaming (at 1080p), and to offer a non compromised VR experience.
Specially if the trend of regular games being played entirely in VR continues. Devs are definitely not going to make two set of graphics, and ps4 clearly won't be able to run games that are made for eye candy at 1080p60.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Who's to say Scorpio doesn't use Jaguar cores too? MS have only mentioned 8 cores. I mean if they are planning on using Zen (I believe it would be a "atom" or "netbook" version not desktop i5) why not shout about it at the announcement?
"if"
Xbox One had 68GB/s bandwidth. PS4 had 172 GB/s. So this isn't really a negative when Sony had such good bandwidth to begin with.
LOL
You're going to be playing at 30fps on the Scorpio as well if you get it, you're in for a surprise if you truly believe that all or even most games will be running at 60fps on the scorpio.
I think you're seeing something that isn't there
LukasTaves
Member
I agree with you there. Sony will definitely do that, because they have to.
But, their official response thus far is that they won't, just pointing that out.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
If Sony release this as the 'slim' it puts the ball squarely back in their court. Then later next year announce the true upgrade.
Delusional.
Which reinforces again why Sony screwed up. Why release this console then? Wait another year or so for a major upgrade. Don't go the Sega route this gen.
if Sony releases a new console a year after the Neo, I will quit video gaming
let me be clear here, I'm not trying to say those are good reasons or that the Neo will be a success. I was simply responding to your question about why wouldn't the Neo be about PSVR
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
You are living in fantasy land.
All games 60fps? Really?
And if you want to play Sony exclusives, you will be playing at 30fps. If you are talking about multiplat, you should really be building a PC because even Scorpio games will have sacrifices, especially at 4k.
Dinky Dino
Member
PSVR.
Leyasu
Banned
Lol is that a joke?
lol
Hell yeah man, my loyalty lies first with who comes out with the better console, I'll eventually buy both. This gen my main is the ps4 with x1 just there to be play games with friends that own one. as of today it looks like I'll be skipping neo and waiting for Scorpio. Sony can wow me with PS5 though.
MisterXDTV
Member
That's only because Sony, unlike Microsoft, is not going to announce Neo and PS5 at the same time killing the first one before it even comes out
Jakartalado
Member
I can't understand why people say 1080p is what Neo will provide. Which is bizare since the PS4 is doing 1080p games just fine at 30 fps without suffering (do I have to post a list?)
It also works at 35-45 if the framerate is open (Killzone Shadow Fall and Infamous First Light are good examples).
Improving the GPU and CPU could easily boost every game to 1080p and 60 fps, and well, there are some of them that already are like Metal Gear Solid V. So... Why this games can't run at some what 1800p or even higher at 30 fps cap?
The only game that I can see running at 4k and 60 fps on NEO is Gran Turismo, since they did 1600x900 at 60 fps on PS3 and I have no ideia how.
geordiemp
Member
Not really, if Neo is Jaguar crap then will just go I5 + 1070 for 3rd party stuff that struggles on Ps4 and cancel my PSVR pre-order. Keep ps4 for Sony exclusives.
If Neo is up to scratch I stay with consoles. Simple.
LordBaztion
Member
it works the other way around, why bother with Neo if PS4 already plays 100% of Neo games. Better get a Xbox with new games you can try plus better third party games and some 360 games you have from last gen.
if you truly care about framerate that much, why wouldn't you have already done that?
Dinky Dino
Member
Well I can't really think of another reason. If sony wanted a spec war, they could have launched around the same time as MS to match them and continue their trend. Sony has invested a lot in their vr and it seems to me that the og ps4 doesn't meet their initial vision for it though it can run some titles. So they made the neo. I mean it hasn't even been 3 years since the ps4 released. There was no reason to rush a new console out like this.