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[Grief.exe]

Since both consoles use 6-7 CPU cores and DX12 seems to emphasize better multicore utilization, do you think we'll see requirements for greater numbers of CPU cores for PC games over the next few years? I may be off base here because I don't know much about this sort of thing.

You are exactly right. Going for an i5 for four cores or even an i7 with hyper threading, a process where the CPU simulates more cores is preferable.

Counterpoint being, the processors in both consoles are so weak the i5/i7 line are veritable supercomputers in comparison.

 

[kswiston]

Why thread like this always turned into salftfest?

Because a lot of people seem to be more invested in the platforms they purchase than the actual games they purchase them for.

 

[derExperte]

Since both consoles use 6-7 CPU cores and DX12 seems to emphasize better multicore utilization, do you think we'll see requirements for greater numbers of CPU cores for PC games over the next few years? I may be off base here because I don't know much about this sort of thing.

If anything DX12 could give older quad-cores an even longer life due to a lowered cpu overhead. And we've yet to see six-core Intel cpus hitting the mainstream so I don't think games will require that many in the foreseeable future. Harder to predict what will happen with dual-cores.

 

[EatMyFace]

They didn't include the monitor lol.

 

[KKRT00]

Buying a PC that matches console performance sounds like a complete waste of time and money. Even if you're that strapped for cash you're better off with a console.

It depends of person priorities. If You are very heavy into some console exclusives then of course You should choose that console, but if not:

If You can choose one platform for £300, then PC is the best choice objectively
- You can play all games from past generations, from other old platforms via emulation and all games You buy this generation will work on future PCs too
- You dont pay for online
- PC versions of multiplatform games varies from better to no contest better [Witcher 3, Fallout, Elder Scrolls]
- Games are cheaper
- You can upgrade Your hardware mid-gen and all Your library automatically benefits from it
- You can choose any input device You like
- Limitless media and recording capabilities

 

[Nzyme32]

Why thread like this always turned into salftfest?

Easy. Look at the title of the thread, then look at the first 10 posts, then look at the most quoted posts. Any thread like this will go this way because many people in this forum a emotionally attached to their platform. The neutral folk speaking there mind are then also attributed a side and drawn into the nonsense.

Basically, post anything outlandish about one platform and watch the thread do this

 

[Dmented]

They didn't include the monitor lol.

I didn't know consoles included TVs. That's awesome.

 

[Atraveller]

They didn't include the monitor lol.

Unlike my 400 dollars PS4 bundle that comes with a TV.

 

[Fitts]

They didn't include the monitor lol.

You need to include a display in order to operate a console as well so it's an understandable omission in my opinion.

Edit: beaten. Didn't intend to beat you up over it. Sorry.

 

[Durante]

Since both consoles use 6-7 CPU cores and DX12 seems to emphasize better multicore utilization, do you think we'll see requirements for greater numbers of CPU cores for PC games over the next few years? I may be off base here because I don't know much about this sort of thing.

PS4 uses 1.6 GHz AMD Jaguar cores. One of those is probably (roughly, on average) equivalent to ~1Ghz on a Haswell core. So, especially with low-overhead APIs like DX12 I would not imagine particularly fast CPUs to be required to match console performance.

 

[KKRT00]

I didn't know consoles included TVs. That's awesome.

Unlike my 400 dollars PS4 bundle that comes with a TV.

In before: "Everyone has TV in their house!" ...

 

[kswiston]

They didn't include the monitor lol.

My desktop hasn't been connected to a monitor in 5 years.

 

[oneils]

Yes, you can order it here
http://slickdeals.net/f/7765817-alienware-alpha-compact-desktop-i3-4130t-gtx-860-400-free-shipping

it is a wonderful little machine. Twice as small as PS4 with same performance and full openness of PC on windows when it comes to software.

anyone know of a similar coupon that works in Canada?

 

[Boombox On]

This thread takes Poe's law and sticks it up its own rear end.

Might need to be closed.

 

[KHlover]

They didn't include the monitor lol.

You also don't include the cost of the TV into the price of the PS4, do you?

 

[EatMyFace]

I didn't know consoles included TVs. That's awesome.

Everyone has a TV. Not everyone has a monitor.

You must also include mouse and keyboard if you're building a custom PC. Since we're directly competing with console here you might as well add a gamepad too.

 

[Occam]

So that PC has no OS, no Blu Ray drive and no controller.

 

[Dmented]

Everyone has a TV. Not everyone has a monitor.

You must also include mouse and keyboard if you're building a custom PC. Since we're directly competing with console here you might as well add a gamepad too.

That's pretty nice of PCs to have an HDMI port then, right?

 

[RK9039]

They didn't include the monitor lol.

Exactly, they even missed the price of the house to keep all these things in.

 

[SmokyDave]

Despite the spoiler in the thread title, it seems the answer is actually 'no'. The feasible system was £355 and the other one was £320. It mentions that you could scout for bargains but then if I did that, I could drop the PS4 price to £249.

That shouldn't matter though. PC gaming has always been 'pay a bit more, get a lot more'. It's cool that the financial gap nowadays is far smaller, for sure. The barrier of entry to PC gaming keeps getting lower.

 

[jesu]

Everyone has a TV. Not everyone has a monitor.

You must also include mouse and keyboard if you're building a custom PC. Since we're directly competing with console here you might as well add a gamepad too.

Serious?
You can use a PC with a TV.

 

[SmokedMeat]

You know you're doing something right when fans of other platforms are constantly trying to sway people away from you.

Hey look guys! You can build this cheap PC for the same price**

Hey guys why aren't you buying the Wii U?? It's the best!! And you can buy a PC for all the games it's missing!


**add another $100 for Windows. Enjoy your pos case and keyboard

 

[thebloo]

So that PC has no OS, no Blu Ray drive and no controller.

Eh, my PC has no Blu Ray drive either and I'm doing ok.

- PC versions of multiplatform games varies from better to no contest better [Witcher 3, Fallout, Elder Scrolls]

Witcher 3 is not out, is it?

These articles are always a bit "dishonest". Scouting for bargains is not really a fair comparison. There were some PS4s in my country discounted to £217 this week, but that's not the price. Further more, the article really lacked information on the "PS4 performance" part, being really light on examples.

 

[Alej]

This £300 PC is matched by the PS4 performance wise? Great for the PS4, very well priced machine, i would say.

 

[Podge293]

They didn't include the monitor lol.

didn't include it in the PS4 cost either though so ya know null point really

 

[LoveCake]

I assume that DF used Linux as the OS instead of Windows to cut £70 odd from the cost of the build?

The thing is (& i have a PC for games that i only use for games) there is no way i have found to truly optimise the hardware or software on a PC to get the best out of itself purely for just running a game, in the PS4, X1 & WiiU everything is designed to get the maximum performance to run games at the optimum settings/levels.

Instead of building a £300 PC like DF why not just get a STEAM machine, anyway there is little point in building a PC to the same spec as a PS4/X1 just to play games on you may as well just buy a PS4/X1 for the £300.

The cost of gaming on a PC is not that much if you do not want to run the latest game on Ultra settings at 4K on a huge monitor, the truth is that buying a PS4/X1 means that you do not have to worry or bother about any sort of upgrading for the lifetime of the console, you just buy the game & mostly now unfortunately it will work out of the box at maximum settings (hardware allowing).

I do agree that it is sad that with the power of the PS4/X1 most games are not yet able to achieve 1080p native at 60FPS.

 

[alexandros]

Easy. Look at the title of the thread, then look at the first 10 posts, then look at the most quoted posts. Any thread like this will go this way because many people in this forum a emotionally attached to their platform. The neutral folk speaking there mind are then also attributed a side and drawn into the nonsense.

I think you're being a little unfair here. The article being quoted has a pretty specific subject (matching console performance with a low end PC) and the discussion on it is being clearly derailed by all the unbelievably dumb "but can I play Bloodborne on it" comments. The topic is game performance, plain and simple.

Instead of building a £300 PC like DF why not just get a STEAM machine, anyway there is little point in building a PC to the same spec as a PS4/X1 just to play games on you may as well just buy a PS4/X1 for the £300.

Why?

 

[Prophet Steve]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=159706726

Regular online store, one of the first google shopping results. Windows isn't expensive anymore. Thise times are over.

That is really not a price I can find normally anywhere.

 

[texhnolyze]

Everyone has a TV. Not everyone has a monitor.

Spoiler

Both my PC & PS3 are plugged into my TV.

 

[Truant]

Why do PC gamers feel the need to justify the power to dollar ratio. Everybody knows the PC is superior in every way to a console. It's simply an argument about how much you care about graphics and framerate, besides the few console exclusives. Just spend your money on what suits your needs. You'll get a great experience either way.

 

[elhav]

Meh in theory it should be able to perform as good as a PS4 but we need to remember optimization. PS4 games are much more optimized to their system while PC games perform differently on different PCs.

The last two PCs I've had always had issues with games. They were as powerfull, if not more powerfull than my PS3 and yet games still ran like absolute shit.

My current PC is as strong as a PS4 but games still don't run as smooth on it.

 

[duck_sauce]

Why is there always the need to prove that the ps4 / xbox one is nothing special compared to the pc? I get it...the pc is more powerful and the ps4 can easily be rebuild with cheap pc components. I agree. What are we going to do with these informations? I honestly dont know.

Im pretty sure no one bought a ps4 / xbox one to outperfom a pc. So can we please enjoy all of the gaming systems. No one has to prove anything.

 

[Swarna]

You know you're doing something right when fans of other platforms are constantly trying to sway people away from you.

Hey look guys! You can build this cheap PC for the same price**

Hey guys why aren't you buying the Wii U?? It's the best!! And you can buy a PC for all the games it's missing!


**add another $100 for Windows. Enjoy your pos case and keyboard

You know you're doing something wrong when you create strawman arguments defending your purchasing decisions in a thread about an article meant to simply educate people on performance comparisons between hardware. Who's selling who to what again?

Jesus man. The logic.

Why is there always the need to probe that the ps4 xbox one is nothing special compared to the pc? I get it...the pc is more powerful ans the ps4 can easily ne rebuild with cheap pc components. I agree. What are we going to so with these informations? I honestly dont know.

This article is just tech-related. It makes no argument for you to actually buy a PC over a PS4.

 

[Shengar]

Because a lot of people seem to be more invested in the platforms they purchase than the actual games they purchase them for.

Easy. Look at the title of the thread, then look at the first 10 posts, then look at the most quoted posts. Any thread like this will go this way because many people in this forum a emotionally attached to their platform. The neutral folk speaking there mind are then also attributed a side and drawn into the nonsense.

Basically, post anything outlandish about one platform and watch the thread do this

I guess the thread and the article title makes people insecure. While it means "Gaming PC at similar perfomance and similar Price to PS4", they read "Gaming PC that would replace PS4 with its similar perfomance and price" instead. Why couldn't people instead read piece like this as "building your own PC with the similar power to PS4" in neutral stance?

 

[Durante]

Everyone has a TV. Not everyone has a monitor.

I have 3 monitors and no TV

 

[OmegaDL50]

Witcher 3 is not out, is it?

No, The Witcher 3 isn't out yet? but the statement you are quoting is undeniable.

We ARE talking about a CDProjekt Red game.

 

[Shengar]

I have 3 monitors and no TV

Eh, who watch TV this day anyway?

 

[KKRT00]

Witcher 3 is not out, is it?

CDP will release Mod Editor for Witcher 3, this alone makes the PC version much more superior.

 

[kswiston]

I do agree that it is sad that with the power of the PS4/X1 most games are not yet able to achieve 1080p native at 60FPS.

They could. 1080P and 60FPS are not magical targets that require super advanced hardware. I was running PC games at that resolution and framerate in 2009, on a machine that was about $800 Canadian. The Wii has several games that run at the same specifications, and we all know that it is marginally more powerful than last gen's consoles.

Developers choose to eschew higher resolution and framerates for other graphical priorities. And that has been the strength of PC gaming these past 5-10 years. You have the option of spending a few hundred dollars more to ensure that you don't have to compromise on the performance of multiplat titles (assuming the developers do a halfway decent port job of course).

 

[alexandros]

What are we going to so with these informations? I honestly dont know.

Basically, dispel a couple of age-old myths. That a) you need much stronger PC hardware to match console performance and b) that a PC that matches console performance would be much more expensive than the console.

 

[KHlover]

That is really not a price I can find normally anywhere.

https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=windows+8+oem&tbm=shop

That took me literally 5 seconds to find.

 

[arya's prayer]

In before: "Everyone has TV in their house!" ...

This argument is so disingenuous. Everyone Does have a TV in their house. In fact on average, Americans have multiple tvs in their house.

What do you think the percentage of people that own a decent monitor? I'd put it in single digits. But that's just a common sense guess so feel free to disregard it.

You have to include monitor, Windows, keyboard and mouse, etc in the cost. People don't just have those things lying around. And not everyone is able to/wants their computer in the living room.

 

[EatMyFace]

My desktop hasn't been connected to a monitor in 5 years.

And you think this is the norm?

You need to include a display in order to operate a console as well so it's an understandable omission in my opinion.

Edit: beaten. Didn't intend to beat you up over it. Sorry.

Most households have a TV. So you wouldn't include that in a console purchase. Obviously.

You also don't include the cost of the TV into the price of the PS4, do you?

If you don't have one then you need to. Most do however. Do you think most people just have a monitor lying around? Someone going PC gaming the first time won't. Someone switching over from consoles won't.

So who exactly has a monitor lying around? The PC gamer.

If your building a PC that matches PS4s power you are intending it as a replacement or alternative right? A PS4 is connected to a TV that you already had. A PC needs a monitor for proper use.

In today's world most kids/teens never owned a desktop PC. Why would they when there's laptops, smartphone and tablets?

 

[kswiston]

This argument is so disingenuous. Everyone Does have a TV in their house. In fact on average, Americans have multiple tasks in their house.

What do you think the percentage of people that own a decent monitor? I'd put it in single digits. But that's just a common sense guess so feel free to disregard it.

You have to include monitor, Windows, keyboard and mouse, etc in the cost. People don't just have those things lying around.

All modern PCs have HDMI out. A standard Microsoft/Logtech wireless keyboard and mouse combo is like $30. So at worst, you can argue the costs of the input devices.

 

[iceatcs]

To be honest, I think it is fair to include OS and input controller. Whether it will be free or not. Otherwise PS4 already advanced by controller pad and OS included.

Windows still important for PC gaming. Linux and SteamOS will doable but still very fresh.

 

[KKRT00]

This argument is so disingenuous. Everyone Does have a TV in their house. In fact on average, Americans have multiple tvs in their house.

What do you think the percentage of people that own a decent monitor? I'd put it in single digits. But that's just a common sense guess so feel free to disregard it.

You have to include monitor, Windows, keyboard and mouse, etc in the cost. People don't just have those things lying around. And not everyone is able to/wants their computer in the living room.

Easily! Why do You need monitor for PC when You have TV already?

 

[LX_Theo]

In before: "Everyone has TV in their house!" ...

99.9% of people considering buying a video game system would

That's so stupid to pretend it's the same as getting a monitor.

 

[SgtCobra]

You tried to defend THIS post - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=159702268&postcount=37

Are you sure you can put yourself in the position to say that?

There is enough bullshit going back and forth from both sides in this topic. Lets not pretend it's just the PC crowd at fault here.

Where did I say that? Can you please quote the part where I said it's only the PC crowds fault?
Do you know what vice versa means? It means that both parties are at fault here.
So yes I can put myself in that position.
The poster with that semi snarky post I quoted was wrong with his assumption, never did I post anything which implied I was defending any camp.
But good to see that you set a good example of what I meanT.

 

[Prophet Steve]

https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=windows+8+oem&tbm=shop

That took me literally 5 seconds to find.

Which seem to be by third party sellers. On the UK Amazon I see one guy selling for 25 pounds, on the US I don't see any deals like this, here in The Netherlands I don't have any deals like this and in Amazon France I also don't see any deals like this.

 

[inner-G]

How much does the PS4 OS cost?

Also, that thing is terribly ugly and not anything I would want to game on. PS4 includes a proper controller not a keyboard. Sure you can buy one separately like Windows, but then it's not any cheaper, is it?