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[Jacksinthe]

Then why make it? This is a terrible arguement because it implies the VR and Slim are higher priority then the pro. Add to that the fact that the VR marketing hasn't been great and you have to wonder what Sony is even doing.

You can only play them at damn near anywhere that sells them. Yeah. Not great at all. Not like anyone notices the lines for the testing station with PSVR plastered all over it right at the front door of a Best Buy. Probably should have made it mandatory to try it before entering the store. Them huge displays and people lining up are easy to miss. /S

 

[Kayant]

But you then mention TR yourself....

Okay so Sony doesn't mandate anything, you can just run the game exactly the way it is on a OG PS4, same resolution, same everything. As long as it's compatible with the Pro. Gotcha.

To note the only mandate we know of iirc is 1080p minimum res on PS4Pro + has to have same or better performance than PS4 as per leaked docs. Well there is the same performance target in MP games also( As in no 30fps on PS4 then 60fps on Pro)

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

I guess it's a juggling act to talk up the better model without throwing the old one under the bus. Sony's presentation was a bit underwhelming though and I expect Microsoft to reveal the Scorpio at E3 with much greater fanfare. They kinda need to though.

 

[entremet]

You guys realize they will catabolize their slim and PSVR sales if they pushed the pro marketing right?

That's Sony problem for releasing three new SKUs so quickly.

 

[GinoFelino]

I'm not being pessimistic, but trying to get answers whether Sony have some basic requirements for enhanced graphics other than Pro compatibility. I'm not saying ALL devs will only provide an AF bump. But asking if something like that will be okay to Sony. Like I said quite a few times in my previous posts. It's kind of a gamble for Pro owners. They never know what enhancements they get. My actual sincerest hope is that each Pro game will get a ton of improvements. I want to see huge graphical improvements!

My guess is you'll have your answers when or just before the Pro launches. Personally, I think the base Pro requirements are to have checkerboard 4K (+subsequent downsampling for 1080p owners) + equal or better fps than OG PS4. Everything else is up to devs. From what I've seen, checkerboard/native 4K is indeed a huge graphical improvement!

To note the only mandate we know of iirc is 1080p minimum res on PS4Pro + has to have same or better performance than PS4 as per leaked docs. Well there is the same performance target in MP games also( As in no 30fps on PS4 then 60fps on Pro)

That may have been prior to the checkerboard upscaling solution. I think a higher resolution + checkerboard 4K may be the baseline now.

Then why make it? This is a terrible arguement because it implies the VR and Slim are higher priority then the pro. Add to that the fact that the VR marketing hasn't been great and you have to wonder what Sony is even doing.

Actually, Sony's main concern is making sure PS4 owners are happy enough to want to buy a PS5 when it comes out.

Spoiler

Don't quote me saying Sony's main concern is making money. Don't.

If they act like those 45 (?) million PS4's are basically useless now, those people will feel cheated. You don't want that.

 

[Caipirinha]

Does anyone have any good "with and without supersampling" images of recent games with relevant resolutions so we can see what kind of IQ improvement we will get just from that?

 

[lukeskymac]

Yeah. That is why I decided to wait and purchase Scorpio...Too much of the unknown. Can't be spending $400.

Is this sarcasm? We have no idea how Scorpio will actually work.

 

[visiblemode]

As many have said, 1080/ upersampling and equal to/greater than fps performance are the minimum. That said, devs love power and will likely do more.

As for messaging, it is weak, agreed. Sony needs to work harder. I suspect we'll see an uptick, in the next week or so.

 

[Sjefen]

What marketing? I havent seen anything, nowhere. In that sense its terrible, but I think they are focusing on VR which I have seen alot marketing for.

 

[Omnistalgic]

It's not a particularly compelling product and explaining HDR + Super sampling is kind of hard to do clearly and simply.

What’s not compelling about a beefier PS4 mid gen so games don’t get left behind by PC? And it’ll help with VR, AA, and benefit image quality on 1080p or 4K sets. yeah....disagree

I agree PR - weak

Console - Good

 

[jett]

It's hard to believe it's coming in a couple of weeks. I'll be waiting for technical analyses before getting one for sure.

 

[Chamber]

The messaging is fine but I don't understand why they haven't dropped a bunch of direct feed Pro footage in high quality 4K yet. Youtube 4K is trash compared to the 1080p footage we get from a place like Gamersyde much less real 4K.

Someone mentioned an embargo until November, hopefully thats true.

 

[Always-honest]

Does anyone have any good "with and without supersampling" images of recent games with relevant resolutions so we can see what kind of IQ improvement we will get just from that?

That's a good point. Not too many i think. Hopefully a lot more soon.

 

[kyser73]

That's Sony problem for releasing three new SKUs so quickly.

Only it won't, and it isn't a problem.

 

[EmiPrime]

I sold my 2TB PS4 for £250 and the PS4 Pro is £330 for those of us who preordered on Amazon UK making it a £80 upgrade. £80 is nothing, it's the cost of two new games.

£80 for better graphics and IQ on my 1080p TV and PSVR? One of the easiest decisions of my gaming life. Sad how some are trying to spin it into something it's not with the same old FUD.

Why not wait for Scorpio? Because it's a year away from release and I can own both a PS4 Pro and a Scorpio anyway. Why not just build a PC? Because I have one already and I am not aware of any 4K gaming PCs for £80 anyway.

Lord almighty.

 

[Confused Cheeseburger]

Individuals that work in retail have said that the pro is doing quite well. I feel the forum is looking past the obvious in search of information that cannot exist. Each dev is free to as he/she pleases. It does what the ps4 does, but better. It's that damn simple. How much better? Depends on the game. It'll be the same for the Scorpio

I work at ebgames in Toronto. There is definitely interest for the thing anecdotally. People asking about and preordering it.

 

[Y2Kev]

I want it for better VR resolution.

 

[Cuburt]

I agree with OP in that Sony hasn't done much to sell me on it. I don't think the uptake with be very big due to the lukewarm reception and lack of compelling reasons to upgrade right now, but at the same time, like OP, the vague promise of better performing games will be enough to get a good amount of people taking the leap, even if they don't get everything they'd expect.

I think that is why Sony is staying tight lipped, because while it wouldn't be true to say only people will a 4K TV benefit from it, they can let people assume things like checkerboard upscaling and HDR is some secret sauce that will make everything better on 1080p TVs. In fact, I've seen enough people on GAF with these exact assumptions and this is a forum where people would supposedly know and care about spec stuff like this. Also Sony isn't talking about just how much support we can look forward to because they are putting that burden on the developers/publishers so they have to be the ones everyone can send their death threats to when they decide they don't want to optimize and test a Pro version of the game.

 

[Caipirinha]

I work at ebgames in Toronto. There is definitely interest for the thing anecdotally. People asking about and preordering it.

I heard a staffer at the eb games I pre-ordered mine at tell a customer that it only works on 4K TVs and "you should therefore wait for the Scorpio".

 

[Always-honest]

I work at ebgames in Toronto. There is definitely interest for the thing anecdotally. People asking about and preordering it.

I read somewhere that it's allready sold out in preorders on German Amazon.
So it's doing pretty well there.

I heard a staffer at the eb games I pre-ordered mine at tell a customer that it only works on 4K TVs and "you should therefore wait for the Scorpio".

Yeah wow. I sometimes listen to people selling gaming hardware in these stores and i can't help informing the customers in the right way. Sometimes in front of the staffer.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

Has anyone seen any PSVR TV spots? I haven't seen any yet.

 

[GinoFelino]

I agree with OP in that Sony hasn't done much to sell me on it. I don't think the uptake with be very big due to the lukewarm reception and lack of compelling reasons to upgrade right now, but at the same time, like OP, the vague promise of better performing games will be enough to get a good amount of people taking the leap, even if they don't get everything they'd expect.

I think that is why Sony is staying tight lipped, because while it wouldn't be true to say only people will a 4K TV benefit from it, they can let people assume things like checkerboard upscaling and HDR is some secret sauce that will make everything better on 1080p TVs. In fact, I've seen enough people on GAF with these exact assumptions and this is a forum where people would supposedly know and care about spec stuff like this.

What? They've been quite upfront about those improvements being irrelevant for 1080p TV owners. Who even thinks that, anyway?

Edit:

UPscaling + HDR is irrelevant for 1080p TV owners. I know about supersampling and all that jazz, folks.

I heard a staffer at the eb games I pre-ordered mine at tell a customer that it only works on 4K TVs and "you should therefore wait for the Scorpio".

Console fanboys work at places like EB Games too you know

 

[Inuhanyou]

I think that is why Sony is staying tight lipped, because while it wouldn't be true to say only people will a 4K TV benefit from it, they can let people assume things like checkerboard upscaling and HDR is some secret sauce that will make everything better on 1080p TVs. In fact, I've seen enough people on GAF with these exact assumptions and this is a forum where people would supposedly know and care about spec stuff like this.

Checkerboard rendering automatically means downsampling because the game is being rendered in a higher resolution necessary for that checkerboard rendering solution. That is making games better by default on 1080p displays.

That's not secret sauce, that is factual.

I guess it's a juggling act to talk up the better model without throwing the old one under the bus. Sony's presentation was a bit underwhelming though and I expect Microsoft to reveal the Scorpio at E3 with much greater fanfare. They kinda need to though.

If they try to announce through a stream or video the way Sony did, its gonna be the same issue. Things like resolution and slightly better graphics are hard to parse unless they are extreme changes to the assets, something devs arent going to bother doing for the most part.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

This is news to me. I'm looking forward to its release and the threads that follow. If you don't understand what the Pro is, wait for the Scorpio, a console we know absolutely nothing about.

 

[Sesuadra]

I read somewhere that it's allready sold out in preorders on German Amazon.
So it's doing pretty well there.

It was sold out, but you can pre-order again.
On Amazon Japan it is sold out.

 

[3rdamention]

OP, you could check out this thread here. This discussion was started a month ago and it is pretty much the same as this one!


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1281242

 

[tr1p1ex]

How can Sony have terrible PR if the OP buys the PS4 Pro even though he doesn't know what it will do for him?

 

[Always-honest]

It was sold out, but you can pre-order again.
On Amazon Japan it is sold out.

Ah okay. Well, good news anyway.

 

[breakfuss]

I sold my 2TB PS4 for £250 and the PS4 Pro is £330 for those of us who preordered on Amazon UK making it a £80 upgrade. £80 is nothing, it's the cost of two new games.

£80 for better graphics and IQ on my 1080p TV and PSVR? One of the easiest decisions of my gaming life. Sad how some are trying to spin it into something it's not with the same old FUD.

Why not wait for Scorpio? Because it's a year away from release and I can own both a PS4 Pro and a Scorpio anyway. Why not just build a PC? Because I have one already and I am not aware of any 4K gaming PCs for £80 anyway.

Lord almighty.

Well, yeah that's a nice deal. Haven't seen anything like that in the States.

Has anyone seen any PSVR TV spots? I haven't seen any yet.

No.

How can Sony have terrible PR if the OP buys the PS4 Pro even though he doesn't know what it will do for him?

The same reason so many of us bought NMS.

 

[Caipirinha]

How can Sony have terrible PR if the OP buys the PS4 Pro even though he doesn't know what it will do for him?

I'm just a magpie, I like shiny electronic things.

 

[SJRB]

I want it for better VR resolution.

Same, but with two weeks to go isn't it time they start, you know, talk about stuff like this?

I mean, what will the Pro do for VR, specifically? I just spent 460 euros on a PSVR and the PS4Pro is another 400 bucks, I need Sony to explain to me in greater detail what the benefits of the Pro are for me as a non-4K user.

Wake up, Sony!

 

[EmiPrime]

Well, yeah that's a nice deal. Haven't seen anything like that in the States.

I sold it myself last month before too many upgraders put theirs up for sale, it wasn't a trade in deal. I'll do the same with my One S before Scorpio comes out.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

The number of these posts popping up is getting to be like "What do you do in No Man's Sky?" levels of silliness.

If you haven't informed yourself, that's fine, but the information has been out there.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Has anyone seen any PSVR TV spots? I haven't seen any yet.

The taco Bell cross promotion is already doing that job

 

[Fbh]

Was listening to an older Easy Allies podcast the other day and they touched on the weird situation Sony is in with the Pro.

One one side they have to show you that it's cool, that it gives you cool extra features and that you need one

On the other side they have to reassure the millions of current Ps4 owners that the system they purchased is still really good and worth keeping.



And I think that makes the whole PR harder.
Either way, yeah I agree that the PR has been pretty bad. I think the fact that many devs have given the impression that they didn't have a whole lot of time to work on Pro modes for their games is having a negative effect. Mabye things will change starting next year when games that have had longer to make a "pro upgrade" start comming out

 

[WheelHoss1]

I sold my 2TB PS4 for £250 and the PS4 Pro is £330 for those of us who preordered on Amazon UK making it a £80 upgrade. £80 is nothing, it's the cost of two new games.

£80 for better graphics and IQ on my 1080p TV and PSVR? One of the easiest decisions of my gaming life. Sad how some are trying to spin it into something it's not with the same old FUD.

Why not wait for Scorpio? Because it's a year away from release and I can own both a PS4 Pro and a Scorpio anyway. Why not just build a PC? Because I have one already and I am not aware of any 4K gaming PCs for £80 anyway.

Lord almighty.

Common sense? How did that happen.

 

[dealer-]

Our daily PS4 Pro concern thread. Look forward to tuning in tomorrow.

I sold my 2TB PS4 for £250 and the PS4 Pro is £330 for those of us who preordered on Amazon UK making it a £80 upgrade. £80 is nothing, it's the cost of two new games.

£80 for better graphics and IQ on my 1080p TV and PSVR? One of the easiest decisions of my gaming life. Sad how some are trying to spin it into something it's not with the same old FUD.

Why not wait for Scorpio? Because it's a year away from release and I can own both a PS4 Pro and a Scorpio anyway. Why not just build a PC? Because I have one already and I am not aware of any 4K gaming PCs for £80 anyway.

Lord almighty.

Yep, for existing owners in the UK at least it shouldn't cost more than £150 if trading up. Not a lot really for an improved machine for the next 3-5 years.

 

[Tntnico]

I preordered one, mainly to get the best PSVR experience.
But I will cancel it this week-end :

> No HDR passthrough with the PSVR Box
> PSVR quality with classic PS4 is good enough for me for now

Instead, I will focus on Switch and Scorpio + VR

 

[Inuhanyou]

Does anyone have any good "with and without supersampling" images of recent games with relevant resolutions so we can see what kind of IQ improvement we will get just from that?

This is Far Cry 4 at 1440p downsampled to 1080p on PC.

Now, know that 1440p is far lower than the general resolutions we've been seeing from developers working on Pro patches, and you can get to see what the image quality will look like on your 1080p screen. The bigger your TV is, the more you will notice the downsampling benefits

 

[Chozo_Lord]

On a 1080p tv, patched games will be rendered at higher and then scaled back down to 1080. I'm not sure this is so hard to imagine.

But the question is, does every single future AAA game have this feature for 1080p tv users? If the pro patches are completely up to the devs, I would hate to have only a few games that actually take advantage of it. Sony has yet to give a definitive answer.

 

[The Dear Leader]

It's a PS4 that makes some PS4 games look and/or perform better. That's about all I really need to know.

 

[Kill3r7]

I don't think it has been terrible. Our expectations were not inline with Sony's vision. Thus, the PR for PS4P looks worse than it actually is. The many threads discussing the performance upgrades at 1080p show what the 1080p crowd (myself included) had unrealistically high hopes for PS4P vs Sony's advertising which clearly indicates their vision and desire of creating a 4K gaming console/experience.

 

[platocplx]

Yeah. That is why I decided to wait and purchase Scorpio...Too much of the unknown. Can't be spending $400.

This pretty much sums up the delusion people have in this thread on sonys marketing lmao. I cant believe people are so sure about a product a year away than one thats a month away lmao. this is insanity.

 

[Always-honest]

But the question is, does every single future AAA game have this feature for 1080p tv users? If the pro patches are completely up to the devs, I would hate to have only a few games that actually take advantage of it. Sony has yet to give a definitive answer.

I think they will, since the base Pro support isn't all that difficult.
Probably all AAA games in the future.

I'm guessing though.

 

[RichiRamjag]

Well, yeah that's a nice deal. Haven't seen anything like that in the States.



No.



The same reason so many of us bought NMS.

Don't get crazy now.

 

[Z3M0G]

The only thing you will be missing with a 1080p TV is the HDR...

Even if you owned a 4K TV, you would still be switching the games to 1080p mode... trust me.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

There certainly hasn't been enough of it. I work for a retailer and the workers and customers both have no idea what they are talking about. Tons of misinformation out there.

 

[Niks]

Sony: ...and it will have clear benefits for 1080p users.

Peeps: So this is just for 4K users? Bummer!

Sony: No, you will get better graphics even without a 4K TV, like improved image clarity, better shadows, more foliage, better framerates, depending on the game.

Peeps: But Sony hasn't told us anything about benefits for 1080p users! They only want to sell 4K TVs...

Sony: Here are some more examples of how games will look better on 1080p screens.

Peeps: So do Sony care about 1080p Pro users? If they don't, they need to say this is not for you and you should not have any expectations.

Sony: ...

I must have missed it.

Where are the examples?
Screens, videos, comparisons from multiple games?

 

[deriks]

I kinda agree. It's not Wii U terrible, but it's not like "this is the new thing and it's awesome". I mean, there's basically no comparisons by Sony with the old and new model. Even Nintendo did more with the 3DS and New 3DS

 

[WheelHoss1]

The only thing you will be missing with a 1080p TV is the HDR...

Even if you owned a 4K TV, you would still be switching the games to 1080p mode... trust me.

Hahaha no way. Once I saw a game running in 4K on my set I was sold.