BobbyColtrane
Member
They could sell me on one by putting out some clear info on exactly how this benefits VR. I already have an Xbox One S for my 4k gaming, and it plays 4K blurays!!
PS4 Pro PR has been terrible
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they want to be personally sold on it man by sony with an extravaganza of marketing this subdued approach doesnt cut it
They've made like one game for it and have enabled the higher specs for like three others, they've completely squandered it.
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Either way; https://www.reddit.com/r/PSVR/comments/590ek5/a_list_of_psvr_games_with_pro_upgrade_confirmed/ - There you can read into some of the benefits some PSVR-games will get.
MikeHaggar
Member
yeah, i have a release day delivery preorder from amazon, but am not sure if i want to spend the money as i already have a ps4. some more specifics about how games will run when in 1080p mode on the pro would be very helpful for me. if battlefield 1 runs at a more constant 60fps and in 1080p then it would probably convince me to get the pro on day one. the tomb raider devs did a good job of communicating the different modes. i'd love to see some comparison shots of all of them.
? What games are you playing in 4k on a One S?
Raven77
Member
I can't stand when people on here point to a single game, like the Witness, to show what benefits a 1080p TV owner will get with the Pro. I get it, some games will be better. The point of the OP's post is that one game getting a Pro patch for us lowly non 4k tv owners is not enough. We have no idea how this thing will be supported for us in the future, if at all in any real meaningful way that makes it worth dropping $400 dollars on.
With the launch of the Nintendo Switch shortly into next year I've already decided to save my money and put it towards that. I will get a Pro once I see that it is being properly supported.
With the launch of the Nintendo Switch shortly into next year I've already decided to save my money and put it towards that. I will get a Pro once I see that it is being properly supported.
With a 1080p set however, an internal res of much higher than 1080p or even 4K will still be significantly appreciable, even if it is not being displayed on a 4K television
I agree. It's as if Sony doesn't care at all or they didn't get a lot of support from developers.
I'd love to have new more powerful hardware, especially since i have the "ejecting disc" problem on my current PS4, but it has to be worth it. So far i haven't seen any evidence, footage or media that convinces me the PS4 Pro is worth upgrading to if i have a 1080p tv. So i'm not buying at this point.
I'd love to have new more powerful hardware, especially since i have the "ejecting disc" problem on my current PS4, but it has to be worth it. So far i haven't seen any evidence, footage or media that convinces me the PS4 Pro is worth upgrading to if i have a 1080p tv. So i'm not buying at this point.
I'm excited for the Scorpio and NX and will get both day One. Pro seems like a massive waste of time for me so I will be keeping my day one PS4. I watched the reveal and I know what it is. A 4k streaming box with no 4k blu ray, upscaled 4k gaming using the power of "fuzzy rendering" or whatever buzz word Sony are using, a controller with another light bar. Whoop de du. It also looks like a massive cheeseburger. Just lackluster and unimpressive. Can't believe how Sony have so much momentum with the PS4 yet no one in England gives two shits about the Pro or VR.
Always-honest
Banned
4K gaming?
breakfuss
Member
Oh, this does 4K gaming?
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Sure is. They're doing a good job of making sure people don't care for or buy it.
Coolbgdog12
Member
You'd think the Pro launches tomorrow.
GinoFelino
Member
Microsoft is thriving on ignorance re: 4K.
I don't know how they pulled off this narrative, but they did it. Xbox is almost synonymous with 4K now.
LOL! It's such a dud, they haven't even sold a single unit so far!
Because you guys have been putting your hands in your ears. Every game that has a 4K oriented mode will be downsampled to your 1080p television by default, giving you significant visual clarity compared to the original PS4, and there will also be native 1080p enhanced modes from certain devs as well
I don't know how many times it has to be said, 1000, 1 million? What exactly do you want to hear?
There are multiple compilation threads detailing all of the games that we know about both in terms of 4K modes and pro patches in general. Do you want links to those to see for yourself what games are there?
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Yeah. I'm getting one because I'm a dummy with just enough disposable income, but I really don't know what to expect. I mean, as a PC gamer I have a pretty good idea of what that kind of power increase could get me, but I don't know what developers at large are going to prioritize. The whole "4K" push is ridiculously misguided when there are far more tangible gains to be made at 1080p. Fortunately I'm buying the thing with every intention to play only a handful of games on it so I can't be that disappointed with my personal bar set so low.
I admit I was confused about what 1080p TV owners will get and I am not 100% on it until Sony shows off examples of it. I need Sony to reiterated what will be the advantages as I don't believe what people say here because I remember back in 2013 all the people saying all the PS4 and Xbox games will be 1080p and 60FPS.
Sony and developers need to get a few more before and after images for both 1080p and 4K.
Sony and developers need to get a few more before and after images for both 1080p and 4K.
Ascenion
Member
Isn't that part of the problem? That you can't really show someone the difference in that manner. They need to actually see it for themselves. Comparison images won't really help I don't think.
Yeah, but that's a super loaded asterisk you got there lol. It's basically saying
"*by all, we mean strictly some. Not even close to all. And "enhanced" means something completely different in every single case. Most cases we can't even show you the enhancements because you don't have a compatible HDR TV to see them. But trust us, the enhancements are great."
Nonsense. There is far much misinformation regarding the PS4 Pro's 4k capability.
Phil Spencer said day one that the One S is for 4k media and to wait for Scorpio for true 4k gaming.
Crystal clear and no mixed messages at all.
UserDoesNotExist
Member
I can't remember the source of this for the life of me, but contrary to the common cynical "Mad Men"-esque view, within in the sales industry* they know that they're not miracle workers. They can only do so much for a customer or a product. The product itself must be exciting for them to successfully pitch it.
You've seen how exciting the PS Pro is here on gaf, and we're the kind of people that get excited about hardware. It's simply not interesting hardware.
* Which OP seems to be confusing here with PR.
You've seen how exciting the PS Pro is here on gaf, and we're the kind of people that get excited about hardware. It's simply not interesting hardware.
* Which OP seems to be confusing here with PR.
No wonder Sony has such backlash right now, people in this very thread don't even know the difference between an internal resolution and a 4K output resolution
You believed people saying ALL PS4 and XB1 games would be 1080p 60fps? When no console ever has ever done that? You believed the wrong people. Sounds like people who just live on hype and misinformation to me.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1289840
It does 4K gaming,and 99% of games will be rendering in resolutions far higher than 1080p, unless explicitly having a dedicated 1080p mode to take advantage of the GPU increase outside of IQ benefits.
You believed people saying ALL PS4 and XB1 games would be 1080p 60fps? When no console ever has ever done that? You believed the wrong people. Sounds like people who just live on hype and misinformation to me.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1289840
It does 4K gaming,and 99% of games will be rendering in resolutions far higher than 1080p, unless explicitly having a dedicated 1080p mode to take advantage of the GPU increase outside of IQ benefits.
GinoFelino
Member
Haha wow! Did you somehow forget the dozens of misinformation threads in the weeks post-Scorpio announcement or are you trolling?
Also, what's the misinformation on Pro 4K? There's some stuff we don't know yet, but misinformation? Where?
PSPro and PSVR selling 0 units in England confirmed?
visiblemode
Member
Yeah, your statement is accurate, but to be clear op's talking about a lack of direct messaging from Sony. I think once review units drop it will resolve itself as reviewers will be trashing-vanilla-ps4-by-comparison instead of Sony.
All this said, I think the Titanfall dev interview is very enlightening. They received it very late and still manage to rattle off a ton of ways the Pro version is better while admitting they haven't really dug into Pro yet. It sounds like a case for the minimum going forward.
From the beginning, this was a console aimed to 4K tv owners, so preordering it when you have a 1080p and knowing so little about the benefits I guess it was your mistake.
Even now that I have a 4K HDR tv I don't think I will be getting the Pro, it doesn't look like that big of a change for me to spend another 400.
Even now that I have a 4K HDR tv I don't think I will be getting the Pro, it doesn't look like that big of a change for me to spend another 400.
mcdomination
Member
Sounds like the staffer was about as well-informed as most people in this thread...
breakfuss
Member
Nothing crazy about it. Tired of getting burned. You name something Sony has made (hardware and software) and I've likely bought it. The value proposition for this is not clear, at least for those who already own a PS4. If you want to blindly buy into it that's your prerogative.
gigantor21
Member
That's the main problem with this mid gen business for Sony.
The Xbox One isn't doing as well, so MS has more leeway in pushing the Scorpio as hard as they can. It's a much dicier proposition for Sony, who is the market leader and is FAR more dependent on PS4 sales. Thus they have to push the Pro without cannibalizing base PS4 sales too much.
A PS5 won't have this problem.
All over.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1297359
Does that look right to you? Is it a 4k games console? No. It's not.
Xbox One upscaled 720p to 1080p and everyone laughs that it's not 1080p. The Pro upscales to 4k and everyone bends over backwards to say it's really amazing anyway.
Yeah that should have said *all games released after October 2016.
My point is that it isn't an impossible mission to sell a base & premium model of the same product the way some see it on Gaf, it's an old marketing scenario from multiple Industries most notably consumer electronics, white goods, auto and, amazingly, cosmetics.
GinoFelino
Member
Seriously now, what do you gain by making these posts? 'Marginal upgrade'?
I can't with these posts. You clearly know what PS4 Pro is. If so, you know it's not a marginal upgrade.
Yes, it is! And sometimes, it's not! That's not misinformation, it's the facts. Sounds like you're just salty about the whole thing.
I'm glad you speak for everyone in England, including me.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Your posts bare a striking resemblance to what Crapgamer and Mooch say. Almost word for word at times.
- Bound (Native 4K@60FPS)
- forma.8 (Native 4K@60FPS + 8xMSAA )
- Futuridium EP Deluxe (Native 4K@60FPS)
- Hustle Kings (Native 4K@60?FPS)
- Mantis Burn Racing (Native 4K@60FPS)
- Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor (Native 4K 80-90% of the time/Dynamic Resolution)
- NBA 2K17 (Native 4K@60FPS + HDR)
- Pro Evolution Soccer 2017 (Native 4K@60FPS)
- Rez Infinite (Native 4K@60FPS)
- Skyrim Special Edition (Native 4K@30FPS)
- Smite (Native 4K@60FPS)
- The Elder Scroll Online (Native 4K@30FPS with enhanced details over PS4 version)
- The Last Of Us Remastered (Native 4K@30FPS with the best shadows)
- Thumper (Native 4K@60FPS) Not sure about this one.
- Viking Squad (Native 4K@60FPS).
- VizionEck (Native 4K@60FPS)
- Wheels of Aurelia (Native 4K)
- Bound (Native 4K@60FPS)
- forma.8 (Native 4K@60FPS + 8xMSAA )
- Futuridium EP Deluxe (Native 4K@60FPS)
- Hustle Kings (Native 4K@60?FPS)
- Mantis Burn Racing (Native 4K@60FPS)
- Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor (Native 4K 80-90% of the time/Dynamic Resolution)
- NBA 2K17 (Native 4K@60FPS + HDR)
- Pro Evolution Soccer 2017 (Native 4K@60FPS)
- Rez Infinite (Native 4K@60FPS)
- Skyrim Special Edition (Native 4K@30FPS)
- Smite (Native 4K@60FPS)
- The Elder Scroll Online (Native 4K@30FPS with enhanced details over PS4 version)
- The Last Of Us Remastered (Native 4K@30FPS with the best shadows)
- Thumper (Native 4K@60FPS) Not sure about this one.
- Viking Squad (Native 4K@60FPS).
- VizionEck (Native 4K@60FPS)
- Wheels of Aurelia (Native 4K)
If Sony sell a Pro, they've sold a PS4.
The Pro is a beefed up PS4, not a separate product line. Sony don't care if you buy a Pro or a Slim, they want you to buy a PS4. There is no cannibalising.
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
If it can stream to my PC at 1080p I'm sold. Anything else is just a bonus. I'd get a lot more use out of the system if I could stream at full resolution since I wouldn't have to worry about the TV being in use or not.
It supports 4K gaming, and it is capable to run games at 4K, therefore, it is a 4K games console. We have a list of 4K games already, and it will continue to grow as time passes.
Despite the jokes, the Xbox One was also a '1080p' games console as much as PS4 was, even if it did not hit 1080p in the most demanding titles.
It seems like your more hung up on the nebulous labels of the device than what it can actually do.
I think Apple put new exclusive features on their new iterations of iPhones/iPads (e.g. Siri, multi-tasking, etc.) and also boasted about how much more powerful the specs would be.
I think the issue with the PS4 Pro is that there is nothing exclusive for it, the device isn't sleeker or sexier (just looks like a triple decker PS4) and not enough people own 4K TVs or PSVR to really care about the thing. They hope that people will just choose the Pro because it's only $100 more than the Slim. But I think a lot of people will still choose the base model to save $100 or buy extra games or accessories because they don't yet have a 4K TV and don't plan on buying PSVR. This will be a once-off experiment and I don't think Sony will do the same thing with PS5 because it won't be worth the effort.
There was for example the report on Digital Foundry of the meeting with Mark Cerny. It mentions HDTV and PSVR support a few times, mostly but not exclusively it is about image quality due to downsampling - which people will continue deny having any impact until they see it with their own eyes. They will not be swayed by descriptions like this:
But there also was mention that Mass Effect Andromeda joins the group of games with improved 1080p mode:
That's a bit more difficult to show. The quality improvements don't survive the level of compression usually applied to video streaming. I agree they missed the opportunity to provide high quality media but people act like they never even mentioned 1080p in context of the Pro, which simply isn't true.Niks said:
It will all be resolved once the Pro is out in the wild. DF and other publications will provide visual comparison in more or less compressed format. Just a couple weeks now, and Sony doesn't have to sell them all on Day 1.
It is a 4k console. Its capable of rendering at native 4k and their are games that do this. Same with X1, its capable of 1080p, its a 1080p capable console .
You are confusing the hardware with what the developer chooses to do.
SenkiDala
Member
Wtf dude? People are complaining about "not native 4K" all, the, time (see, here you are!).
And about the Xbox One people complained about the 720p and all that, but have you seen people saying "hey! MS can't sell it as a Full HD console! It's only an HD Ready console!!!!", nope... But if we do as you say for the PS4 Pro, then we have to call the Xbox One (and the Xbox One S) HD ready consoles, and not Full HD consoles, oh well, ok then.