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PS4 Ram vs. Durango Ram: How big of a difference does it make?
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Flash is cheap compared to Ram.
Baconsammy
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And that leaked. That's what I'm saying. The leaks we're getting now aren't for stuff from a year ago. It's what people are working with now. Is it possible that Microsoft hasn't given devs finals of everything and are having them work with baseline specs? Maybe.
It all depends on what Microsoft does to carry owners from one device to the next. If they throw them overboard as Sony has done with the PS3-to-PS4 transition, then they've essentially given 360 owners the stupid choice to make up their minds anew, and when you're the weaker console with some potentially bad features (no used games, always online) that's a bad call to make. That's why I assume BC is in the next Xbox.
I think the better question is whether or not the cost increase for Sony and consumers is justifiable based on the "difference" between the 2 rams. Moreover I'd assume nobody really knows how the bandwidth increase will affect games(graphics or otherwise) because nobody has ever had a unified 8gb pool of GDDR5. I don't think people know if that will produce huge results or just some benefits unknown by the consumer. Bottom line is if stuff looks the same, it wasn't worth the increased cost - if it allows for new experiences and more than subtle graphical differences than it will play out. The 360 was supposedly the weaker of the two but it was more efficiently designed than the ps3 and it was more "successful"
Also interesting very little talk about graphics cards and processors.
Also interesting very little talk about graphics cards and processors.
cartoon_soldier
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Musta missed this, what changed in the CPU?
What changes has the CPU undergone ?
I heard it's more powerful than a traditional Jaguar but that does not say much.
soulassssns
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RAWR!!!!! Beast mode confirmed. Lol
Megadragon15
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Not only on consoles, but look at all the dedicated handhelds that Nintendo has neutered that were always more powerful than Nintendo's offerings (including the recent PS Vita).
Ol No Bones
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yeah but the bar is only high in the memory. I see no reason why the Xbox couldn't be better in every other way.
Deus Ex Machina
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Little to no texture pop-up?
Yeah, but WiiU doesn't have the low price; only low power. So they're out.
Baconsammy
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Options/Services/Convenience/Novelty-factor will get people to your door. The right price will get them to walk through it. Power doesn't mean shit. If power mattered, the iPad Mini would have rotted on shelves in favor of the Kindle and larger iPads.
If 512MB GDDR5 can outdo 1GB DDR3 (all else being equal) then I leave the rest to interpretation. Of course, it would be impossible to ask for an objective assessment uniformly here. Still, one thing to remember that XB3 (rumoured specs) is designed with maximum efficiency for the hardware it packs. Move engine and ESRAM exist for this reason.
Incorrect, stick to 360/PS3. Low Price, (comparatively) low power and above all 150 million+ install base.
Incorrect, stick to 360/PS3. Low Price, (comparatively) low power and above all 150 million+ install base.
I wouldn't bet on BC for the next Xbox, this is not something that in my opinion is going to matter much, the 360 will still be supported for those who want to play 360 games.
The only way for MS to shine is to deliver an impressive set of 1st/3rd party exclusives and I believe they can do that. Their social features are not to be underestimated as well, I know that the next Xbox aims at being "the" machine of the living room but I'm still doubtful regarding the outcome of MS's strategy, even if their durango launches at a more interesting price point (350€
.To my mind, putting the emphasis on high-end gaming first is a wise choice, that does not prevent a game console from being capable at multimedia tasks.
@Reiko> Hum...Will that make up for the GPU/Ram shortcomings ? I wonder what 3rd parties will think of what they know about the next Xbox and especially what system will they choose as the lead platform.
CadetMahoney
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Power is only relative to price for a purchase to happen. And even then power is only one factor in getting ppl to buy.
Projectjustice
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It wouldnt matter in the end. Devs will be able to make games on both platforms and both versions will perform the same.
If something else has changed on the GPU end, the power gap will get interesting if true.
MS would be asinine to let Sony have such an edge in raw power. The "masses" may not care but the crowd that will turn their machine into a success does to a degree.
I'm looking forward to the month of April with hopefully a good surprise regarding the specs. But honestly there is one game that could make me buy the system without hesitation : Alan Wake 2, assuming it won't release on PC.
Perfection.
Winner!
Gamers will definitely notice the difference in performance between both versions.
as much as this gen or more you think?
Much more.
With Durango and the PS4 both having very similar architectures and the PS4 being quite a bit more powerful, the differences should be more noticeable.
StalkerUKCG
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I very much expect Multiplatform games to be tailored for the weaker system and rarely exceed that mark on the stronger platform.
Exclusive titles on the stronger platform are going to be pushed to the limit. Teams like Sony Santa Monica are god like at optimization.
Exclusive titles on the stronger platform are going to be pushed to the limit. Teams like Sony Santa Monica are god like at optimization.
SquiddyCracker
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Basically, from what I understand, the RAM is 2-3x times better on the PS4.
With size being the same, bandwidth becomes the only relevant thing to compare - and there's no discussion as to which RAM type is the winner there.
It's not even like it will be harder to make use of the extra bandwidth if they up-port from the Durango, all they need to do is flip a switch and use higher-texture resolutions.
With size being the same, bandwidth becomes the only relevant thing to compare - and there's no discussion as to which RAM type is the winner there.
It's not even like it will be harder to make use of the extra bandwidth if they up-port from the Durango, all they need to do is flip a switch and use higher-texture resolutions.
And where was this conventional wisdom this generation? PS3 got the short end of the stick when it came to multiplat (whenever a situation arose).
Fact is, it will be the one which is easier to program for and they both look the same in that regard.
AuthenticM
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Would the 32MB of super-fast RAM on Durango make their 8GB of DDR3 equivalent to the PS4's same amount of GDDR5 ?
Boss Man
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Well I think the thread is discussing what performance gaps between multiplatform games may arise and what differences we might see in exclusive titles, not sales.
Marketing is much more important than RAM for sales, but we're talking about games.
Right it does add 32MB to x box720you keep ignoring the ESRAM
although I know you think it does nothing.
It doesn't really work like that.
No. Only a speed benefit to the extent of 32mb. The 8GB DDR3 would however still remain the same lesser bandwidth.
I'll give you resolution and frame rate (which more or less were the differences this gen)
but aside from that, I don't think most people will be able to tell the difference on most multiplat releases.
They will LOOK like each other unless you put them side by side and look for it.
Just as I enjoy FC3 on a console but if I run it on a gaming PC and crank it up next to my TV, I can obviously see it but the differences here are nowhere near that great.
so I don't know that Madden running at Gamestop side by side is going to influence a huge portion of the market besides cost, where their friends are and features etc... much like this gen.
but aside from that, I don't think most people will be able to tell the difference on most multiplat releases.
They will LOOK like each other unless you put them side by side and look for it.
Just as I enjoy FC3 on a console but if I run it on a gaming PC and crank it up next to my TV, I can obviously see it but the differences here are nowhere near that great.
so I don't know that Madden running at Gamestop side by side is going to influence a huge portion of the market besides cost, where their friends are and features etc... much like this gen.
XtremeXpider
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http://archive.arstechnica.com/paedia/b/bandwidth-latency/bandwidth-latency-1.html
Bandwidth is not the only important thing
Bandwidth is not the only important thing
One way I could see the extra bandwidth being put to use is if the PS4 renders at a higher resolution then downsamples to 1080p.
Because for all that talk of bus speeds, modern GPUs almost never max their bandwidths, the GPU speed is usually the first bottleneck hit, unless you're running multiple monitor setups or crazy resolutions.
Could this possibly tie into 4k shenanigans in the future? Might be a reason for the upgrade, cause it honestly looks like overkill just for 1080p 30 FPS games.
Because for all that talk of bus speeds, modern GPUs almost never max their bandwidths, the GPU speed is usually the first bottleneck hit, unless you're running multiple monitor setups or crazy resolutions.
Could this possibly tie into 4k shenanigans in the future? Might be a reason for the upgrade, cause it honestly looks like overkill just for 1080p 30 FPS games.
Wow how old is that?http://archive.arstechnica.com/paedia/b/bandwidth-latency/bandwidth-latency-1.html
Bandwidth is not the only important thing
what you did there i seen it!
XtremeXpider
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Concepts are the same today
And maybe Durango is a Tile Based Rendering:
http://www.pjblewis.com/articles/tile-based-forward-rendering/
http://archive.arstechnica.com/paedia/b/bandwidth-latency/bandwidth-latency-1.html
Bandwidth is not the only important thing
I love how people bring in latency as a defence. Makes me wonder if it were such a detrimental factor, it would have never been mass produced and used for one of the more computationally intense operations, i.e. graphics.