PSVR plugs into a breakout box which plugs into the PS4. Not sure if it makes a difference.
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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PSVR plugs into a breakout box which plugs into the PS4. Not sure if it makes a difference.
jeff_rigby
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What it is doing is 2 video streams similar to Display Port 1.2 which requires a breakout box. Since Sony will be plugging into PCs to support VR they MUST use the HDMI 2 standard for this, they can't have their own custom scheme. HDMI 2 supports a standard with 2 video streams.
HDMI 1.4b can support 120 FPS and side by side frame packing is a 3D feature they could have used but it creates issues when you try to use the goggles on other platforms. With the VR goggles the breakout box can split the two streams with one going to a TV at 60 FPS with totally different video and the other going to the Goggles at 120FPS.
Edit: Why would Sony create a CUSTOM HDMI chip if they could use a HDMI 1.4b with their own custom routines. They needed a custom HDMI chip to support HDMI 2 so they could use HDMI 2 standards. Hard to follow the logic but true.
TrojanBlade
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Yeah I don't get what's pissing off people about this so much. As long as Sony doesn't ditch PS4 and the games look and perform as good as they are now on PS4 (which is a given), there is no reason for the outrage. Those who can afford can buy PS4K for better performing games, while others can continue on with PS4 till they are ready to jump the ship. The only thing necessary here is that most of the new games appear on both consoles and PS4K has full PS4 compatibility.
Well PS4K hasnt even been revealed yet.
The XBO DRM info was officially announced by MS. In all its confusing detail. It never saw the light of day but still... I agree with what you are saying tho. I wish some of those policies stayed.
Marty Chinn
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Well the other poster is saying we can't complain until it actually already happens. While MS had some info, we never got the full picture of the implementation because MS never announced full details. I'm just saying it seems wrong to say we shouldn't have or voice concerns until after it's too late. It didn't stop people from raising their voices about the DRM issue.
potatohead
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If the first game that runs like complete shit on OG PS4 isn't Elder Scrolls VI I'll eat my proverbial hat.
potatohead
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Here is a game called Everspace that is planned for VR.
This game would need to be graphically paired down to run at 30fps on Xbox one or PS4. Without serious image quality reductions where the game would not longer resemble the parent game graphically it would not be possible to play that on PSVR at a targeted 60fps reprojection to 120.
Lol. How did you quantify that based on people's expectations?
The point was these are your expectations of VR, not everyone else's. The systems haven't even launched yet, so anything we say about the appetite of the mass market that PS VR is undoubtedly targeting is conjecture at best.
Beautiful game though, I'm looking forward to it too. But this game does not define the entire market's expectations of VR.
Don't worry, it will be the first game that runs like shit on the 4k too. :3
DeepEnigma
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TimeEffect
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Ive been out of this thread since the last thread.
Er, so, this thing is super powerful, and sony is eating costs to keep the price low?
That's good I guess. Ill upgrade if the update is significant. I like the idea of an optional upgrade within a generation..but to be clear, this is only because of Nintendo?
We wont see this next gen, unless Nintendo releases a next gen console off-schedule from MS/Sony?
Er, so, this thing is super powerful, and sony is eating costs to keep the price low?
That's good I guess. Ill upgrade if the update is significant. I like the idea of an optional upgrade within a generation..but to be clear, this is only because of Nintendo?
We wont see this next gen, unless Nintendo releases a next gen console off-schedule from MS/Sony?
Papacheeks
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Question:
I have a Original Launch PS4 that has the eject sensor issue, which I've mitigated by resetting it with the screw trick and cycling the power.
But it has issues with games that heavily use the disc drive alot like drive club, battlefront.
Gamestop has a 200$ trade in credit promotion going on till the 24th of this month.
Is it better to go that route or try my luck and wait?
I have a crap ton of games that I have preordered waiting to play. ANd I do not own a 4k tv?
What should I do? Get a new one now, or tough it out for the PS4K and hope UNCHARTED, and my copy of Ratchet and clank works on my current PS4?
I have a Original Launch PS4 that has the eject sensor issue, which I've mitigated by resetting it with the screw trick and cycling the power.
But it has issues with games that heavily use the disc drive alot like drive club, battlefront.
Gamestop has a 200$ trade in credit promotion going on till the 24th of this month.
Is it better to go that route or try my luck and wait?
I have a crap ton of games that I have preordered waiting to play. ANd I do not own a 4k tv?
What should I do? Get a new one now, or tough it out for the PS4K and hope UNCHARTED, and my copy of Ratchet and clank works on my current PS4?
DeepEnigma
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I would trade it in. I have not had the eject issue since doing the screw trick over 3 months ago. However, I think I am going to go that route from the launch PS4, and get the UC4 one (for the less power draw, mechanical buttons, and nice color/collector's). I already have one UC4 controller, and it sure is sexy.
This is still way off I bet, so I would not even worry.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Never thought this but why would Sony do that?
Papacheeks
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DeepEnigma
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Most say it is. My buddy has one and it is pretty quiet compared to mine. However, mine is also not the 'jet engine' a lot on here claim. Still much quieter than the 360. Now my OG Phat PS3. Hard to even play when that is whining since I am so used to the new consoles.
Bits N Pieces
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
If Watchdogs is finally playable at 1080p/60fps I'm so game!!!
Sony has relations with other manufacturers by way of the BDA. They were one of the founders of the format and convinced others to hop on board.
Releasing a product that severely undercuts them when the format is just getting underway would not be in their best interest.
Prisoner KSC2-303
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Yep, I've been thinking the same. I was reading a piece about Netflix, and they said that if your internet connection slows when streaming 4k content, it'll drop to 1080p with HDR rather than 4k without it, as HDR seems the more obviously pleasing.
THE:MILKMAN
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To sum up this thread as it seems to have gone a bit flaccid the past couple of days.
Patrick Klepek seems to have gone silent on his exclusive.
Mods haven't (AFAIK?) weighed in at all on this story.
Osiris has gone a bit quiet.
Zoetis has disappeared.
GopherD taking the piss?
Eurogamer/DF are the only ones to have followed up this story basically saying even high ups at Sony don't know about this (whatever it is).
I think some people have been played. I hope jobs aren't at stake over this........
Patrick Klepek seems to have gone silent on his exclusive.
Mods haven't (AFAIK?) weighed in at all on this story.
Osiris has gone a bit quiet.
Zoetis has disappeared.
GopherD taking the piss?
Eurogamer/DF are the only ones to have followed up this story basically saying even high ups at Sony don't know about this (whatever it is).
I think some people have been played. I hope jobs aren't at stake over this........
Papacheeks
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The game is afoot! Or .....
Wait,? So was it leaks by Sony to gauge perception, or was it fake to throw off MS?
What are you still desperately hoping the PS4K (understood as a hardware upgrade) is fake ?
Marty Chinn
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Just because talk has died down and there's no news doesn't mean everyone got played.
CosmicQueso
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Are you sure that was Netflix? I know VUDU does that, but wasn't aware of Netflix doing it as well.
THE:MILKMAN
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Absolutely not, Kezen! I've said multiple times I believe a new PS4 is on the way, be that a slim and/or "2X" upgrade. I just believe there is something very odd in how, who and what has been leaked/reported.
I can't see how Patrick/Osiris/The Know and Eurogamer/DF can both be right here?
I can't see how Patrick/Osiris/The Know and Eurogamer/DF can both be right here?
Prisoner KSC2-303
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Yep. Though the quote was from last year's CES, so I'm not sure if they ever put it into practice, or if the info's outdated.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/12/tv-hdr-4k-ces-2015-netflix_n_6455936.html
Maybe for the same reason of the people who desperately hopes is true?
Still I think release it this year it's absurd. 2018 seems more reasonable.
vpance
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Theory: all the defective 16nm chips (less than 18 but at least 14 CU working) from the new PS4 slim will be put to good use and combined to make PS4K. But there will be 4 GPUs.
14x4 = 56 CU = 5.7TF + small upclock = 6TF+
The 2 GPU is a smokescreen for Phil. This is why Harry, John and Alice were laughing.
14x4 = 56 CU = 5.7TF + small upclock = 6TF+
The 2 GPU is a smokescreen for Phil. This is why Harry, John and Alice were laughing.
DeepEnigma
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Imagine that, lol.
Took a break from this thread but I'm still not convinced that Sony will release a new console tailored especially for the NeoGaf 60fps crowd, because this could mean canibalization amongst two products being pushed into the market within one year.
People will try PSVR and know that they will get a way better product maybe one year later, so if they also see the prospect of a more powerful PS4 they will have to choose, which is pretty bad if one of the options is already a niche product.
I have just seen a pretty interesting talk round at Playstation experience in Munich on YT.
Long story short...PSVR compared to the competition really features some drawbacks in terms of visual fidelity, which may be a problem to some, because we just got used to HD quality/standards. They mentioned jaggies, blurriness and flickering which makes it really hard for me not to wait until those early problems get solved.
People will try PSVR and know that they will get a way better product maybe one year later, so if they also see the prospect of a more powerful PS4 they will have to choose, which is pretty bad if one of the options is already a niche product.
I have just seen a pretty interesting talk round at Playstation experience in Munich on YT.
Long story short...PSVR compared to the competition really features some drawbacks in terms of visual fidelity, which may be a problem to some, because we just got used to HD quality/standards. They mentioned jaggies, blurriness and flickering which makes it really hard for me not to wait until those early problems get solved.
mckmas8808
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Why would Sony want to lose money on the PS4K when they didn't go this route with the OG PS4 or PSVR?
Crimson_Gold
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I believe he's joking
Negotiator
Banned
WTF Jeff?!
Do you think that the Cell SPUs can decode 4K H.265 videos? Is there any Xtensa secret sauce in the southbridge? Am I missing something?
Obliterator
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Pretty much. PS4K is real, it was real the moment 3 separate people at Kotaku all got sources to confirm it.
But something is off between the different sources. Kotaku and EG have both stated confidently this is in the prototype stages and "very early" and that its something internally Sony is working on but not widespread.
OP here states its at developers, has a price tag, has a release date, has a set name, has set specs, has a software release list etc.
The two don't match. Now which one is right who knows as of now but the stories are not adding up. But that doesn't necessarily mean the OP is wrong. Its just that the different sides of the story aren't lining up.
Ok, so that's why it would be as computationally expensive as native 4k (or more)...but serious question...wouldn't a tiled approach (like Gran Turismo) produce a better end result?...
With this method you're still shifting details around and there is some "guess work" involved in the process...with the GT method using multiple PS3's, with each one responsible for a specific portion of the screen, you've got a true 4k render
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Why do this if it might impact sales of ps4?
I remember demos of the Cell decoding 12 HD videos at a time & up converting 1080P videos to 4K back in the day.
Negotiator
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You mean MPEG-2 SD videos:
http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/05/4872-2/
I'm sorry, but H.265 is way more computationally intensive than the ancient MPEG2 standard...
bitbydeath
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The people who don't have a PS4 aren't day 1 buyers. No reason they'd start now.
The new console will be more expensive.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
This is some Sega Katana/Dural levels of fuckery.
PS4 slim launching later this year. PS4k in early stages, won't launch before the end of 2017
That was 48 SD videos, I remember the demo with 12 HD videos but videos is something that Cell was really good at so I wouldn't put it passed it.
OP never really said anything was set in stone. And its totally possible that a select few developers have been briefed and have already endorsed the product, thus having games coming. Pricing/release should be easy, every part should be a known quantity by now. They already mass produce a box thats likely to be identical to the PS4K.
I wouldn't think of this as anything particularly new or needing serious R/D.
bitbydeath
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^^^
Didnt Kotaku say this announced to developers at a closed door GDC meeting.
Those that attended had to no doubt sign an NDA which is why they are mostly quiet.
Didnt Kotaku say this announced to developers at a closed door GDC meeting.
Those that attended had to no doubt sign an NDA which is why they are mostly quiet.
So UHD drive, Netflix 4K etc, dual GPU could mean current PS4 GPU + GPU dedicated to 4K scaling PS4 games and the circuitry for hardware decide of 4K HDR video (ps4 standard GPU probably doesn't have that, and using hardware rather than doing it all in software would run cooler and quieter). Possibly both GPUs on the same die if the shrink allows, or have the second GPU separate as a dedicated scaler.
If PS4K isn't coming out until end of 2017 or 2018, then there's no real point working on PS5 for 2019 is there, and that confirms an extension of the generation
They might indeed be extending the gen over this, or the slim line PS4 is the PS4K and there's no HW upgrade.
Are people really still speculating about double GPU's nonsense? What the heck do you guys think this is as an investment?
Well now I'm wonder if people got their info confused and warped. I have no doubts a PS4 slim is on the cards. It should be and it should be coming soon.
That said this 4k initiative seems to be in prototype/testing. This could be something Sony let "leak" out in order to get feedback