DeepEnigma
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I believe this is what they are doing. Reports from the retailers briefed were that it was smaller than the current PS4. And many of us in here believe this is the new 'slim' with enhancements to boot.
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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I believe this is what they are doing. Reports from the retailers briefed were that it was smaller than the current PS4. And many of us in here believe this is the new 'slim' with enhancements to boot.
potatohead
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Those things don't matter so much for graphics, especially for games already running on the same CPU chip. The GPU matters (by far the most) for graphics. And the RAM speed too but yea.
And that is what Sony is going to be selling with a hardware refresh... better graphics.
It's like upgrading a computer. To upgrade the GPU you just replace the GPU with a newer, faster one.
For most games that means you can instantly increase resolution or graphics settings, even if framerate does not change or is limited by CPU.
Less than 2 months until E3 ^^
DeepEnigma
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I hope GAF has power of da cloud for the week leading up to it, lol.
lighthouse777
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question here, did not see where to ask but???
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-reportedly-unsure-if-there-will-ever-be-a-pla/1100-6439011/
Sony Reportedly Unsure If There Will Ever Be a PlayStation 5
Lorne Lanning asked Shuhei Yoshida, "What does the PlayStation 5 look like?" He replied, 'You mean if."
so is the PS4.5 the last one???
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-reportedly-unsure-if-there-will-ever-be-a-pla/1100-6439011/
Sony Reportedly Unsure If There Will Ever Be a PlayStation 5
Lorne Lanning asked Shuhei Yoshida, "What does the PlayStation 5 look like?" He replied, 'You mean if."
so is the PS4.5 the last one???
dead monkey uk
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Think about what you are asking, will Sony a hardware manufacture stop releasing new hardware. Yoshida saying 'you mean if' does not prove or disprove anything.
Hesemonni
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This is for me most important question :/ I die a little inside everytime there's a long loading time and I gladly the little premium of the SSD to make them shorter.
lighthouse777
Member
what did Yoshida mean then heh I just want to know
so I am asking, certainly is confusing
from the article
"I said, 'What does the PlayStation 5 look like?' And he said, 'You mean if...' And I was like, 'Whoa. Are you willing to say that on stage?' And he said, 'Yeah, it's an if.'"
So it's like going from Wii to WiiU?
Ghost Slayer
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A market leader stops making a series product that makes money for them? They're not that stupid
SneakyStephan
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Normally a traditional full generation jump (like ps3 to ps4) you would expect a 10x increase in gpu performance, something similar in cpu performance, a 16-32x increase in the amount of memory and a 10x increase or more in memory bandwidth
ps4 didn't get there either (it was about an 8x increase in gpu performance, less than that for the cpu, a 16x increase in the amount of memory and about an 8x? increase in bandwidth
ps4 to ps4k is nowhere near a generational jump though.
It's : 2.3x gpu performance (instead of the ~10 you normally get from a new console generation), only a 30 percent increase in cpu performance , no increase in the amount of memory and about a 20 percent increase in memory bandwidth
It's a very small iterative performance boost. the gpu part gets the biggest boost here but is also only about a quarter of a regular generational jump
It'll result in slightly higher framerates (but not enough to turn a 30 fps ps4 game into a 60 fps game on ps4k) and games having better image quality and better shadows/AO. Even the pop in you currently see in games on ps4 will not be improved on ps4k.
For a generational leap you'll have to wait for ps5 (or buy a gp100 pascal or vega10 gpu -both of which are rumored to have 16-17TF flasgship cards- in early 2017 along with an 8 core intel or amd zen cpu, then you'd get the full 10x gpu and 10x cpu jump earlier
)The Last One
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Wii to WiiU is a generational leap.
The platform model may be about to change - if for example, we're moving to a model where more frequent, new, backward compatible revisions are the norm, there may not be a traditional generational break and subsequent 'PS5'. The new model may start an unnumbered naming sequence.
No 'PS5' in that sense would not mean no new consoles.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
No, lol.
Man, some fucking reaching ass headlines.
That is Shu's way of saying, 'we do not comment on rumors/speculations/or future endeavors that far out, and anything can happen'. Is all. We see these types of comments every gen. The entire economy can crash, so 'if' is said often.
Trying to create a story out of nothing. (Not you, Gamespot, lol.)
This whole "PS4 Neo" thing is making everyone hysterical.
CosmicQueso
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It must be driving insane clickrate given some of the madness going on.
DaSorcerer7
Member
Well, of course he's going to say that. He wants people to now look towards getting a Neo.
DeepEnigma
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Pretty much. Sites know what they are doing. Gamers buying their BS headlines on the other hand... yikes.
dead monkey uk
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Yoshida is not going to confirm a PS5 at this point, a source tells me he winked after saying it.
But feel free to try and continue the narrative StillWaters777 sorry I mean lighthouse777 ;O
He said that months ago. Just like he said when directly asked "PS5 doesn't exist".
Its not news that he would never confirm their future plans directly, and people are getting overly hysterical and the clickbait media aint helping as usual.
Its not news that he would never confirm their future plans directly, and people are getting overly hysterical and the clickbait media aint helping as usual.
I don't think shu's comments are being misinterpreted, nor lonnings interpretation. Moving to an iterative model essentially means there won't be a traditional ps5 according to Shu, as Sony has decided to no longer follow the idea of a console generation, and instead release multiple skus of PlayStation devices and have them on the market simultaneously, just like any other consumer electronic device.
DeepEnigma
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I can almost guarantee you, that you will still see a box, called PlayStation 5™, which will still be in the ecosystem (not unlike mobile) that all 3 console makers want a part of for their business model.
They are just not going to reset tech anymore with crazy exotic R&D like the past. They are going to stick with the x86/64, just as Apple jumped a bit ago. It make more sense for affordability and scalability of the ecosystem.
So yes, we are in agreement with one another.
potatohead
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Lmao that headline.
"If" there is a PlayStation 4 was the same thing Shuhei would say so far before it was announced.
No different for PS5.
Ronpaul.gif.... of course PS5 is happening. It's probably in planning at this moment by Cerny and co. just like they were asking about what to do with PS4 all the way back in 2008.
"If" there is a PlayStation 4 was the same thing Shuhei would say so far before it was announced.
No different for PS5.
Ronpaul.gif.... of course PS5 is happening. It's probably in planning at this moment by Cerny and co. just like they were asking about what to do with PS4 all the way back in 2008.
dead monkey uk
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I would bet my house on there being a PS5 that will play all PS4 games as well as PS5 titles. The PS4K is a mid generation refresh, I could see a mid generation refresh becoming very common.
Sony will need a PS5 to remove the shackles of all games supporting the PS4. They will name it PS5 as this what the average gamer knows and expects. The mid generation refresh(s) will likely be aimed at the enthusiasts.
DeepEnigma
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We are in agreement essentially on the concept. I just am not as certain about a system actually being called PlayStation 5, we'll see if they stick with a numbered naming convention or not.
CosmicQueso
Member
The Bombcast went through this line of thinking this week.
Netted out to being that at some point, you have to tell the users of old hardware that they just won't be able to run particular games.
Easiest, most effective way of doing that is via numbered naming conventions.
I was thinking the way you are until I heard them walk through this logic.
Who the hell knows though. Right now, seems like all bets are off for what the future looks like. It's madness.
Yeah that's true, at some point it's easiest to just say this game is not compatible with ps5, instead of PlayStation premium or something. Then people get confused about which PlayStation premium they have, etc.
I wanna say I don't care but the truth is that I deeply care. I can't say that I don't give a shit. I GIVE LOTS OF SHITS.
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh... I don't know exactly how to feel about this. Part of me says it shouldn't bother me. But another part of me is deeply bothered. fuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh....
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh... I don't know exactly how to feel about this. Part of me says it shouldn't bother me. But another part of me is deeply bothered. fuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh....
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Very true looking at it from our current perspective we have now.
This, lol.
Quick, someone photoshop PS4K logo on the bag, lol.
potatohead
Member
I think they will. PS4K is one thing for this time, to say it is a continuation of PS4 (not that this is the name, but Sony wants people to know this is the same generation as PS4 if all the games are compatible across both).
Even when PS4 was launching, people questioned "would it be called PS4 and not similar to the codename Orbis or something else?" And then.... PS4. It was the obvious choice that everyone questioned until it was named.
The name PS4 made the console understood to be a new generation. That counts for a lot. By the time PS5 rolls around though they will want to say "hey, this is a new generation."
We will have another PlayStation Meeting I bet saying why PS5 is so well beyond PS4 and PS4K and anything that came before it.
Quick, someone photoshop PS4K logo on the bag, lol.
When the bag is full -> PS4K
When the bag is empty -> PS4
Would be the perfect gif
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Agreed... we also need to get to this... before a different name for a new generation from Sony.
When the bag is full -> PS4K
When the bag is empty -> PS4
Would be the perfect gif
YES!
When can I pre-order?
potatohead
Member
Agreed... we also need to get to this... before a different name for a new generation from Sony.
I'm still waiting. My nose is ready...
DeepEnigma
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CosmicQueso
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Isn't this kinda clickbaity?
FrozenCell
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morpheus+neo bundle plz
DeepEnigma
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DonMigs85
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Do we know how many ROPs and TMUs are in the new GPU? It basically sounds like a Radeon R9 390 with 4 CUs disabled going off the shader count. I also do wonder if a GTX 960 can keep pace with the new console if paired with a fast CPU and system memory, or if you'll need at least a GTX 970 or R9 390
Theonik
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Since new software will work with both PS4 and PS4K I wouldn't think the lower PC settings would be so greatly affected but if you are looking at higher settings, you will almost definitely need a new card if you didn't already.
No more gen, only incremental upgrades to the same architecture.
uncleniccius
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They should come out at e3 and say this if so.
Adopt an iPhone model but release a new model every other year /every third year.
Make games support at least two generations behind the newest model. It means built in BC in the long term unless they change architecture.
I guess it puts more workload of developers.. But if mobile games have to do it (I know it isn't quite the same) it could be a good idea.
It'll be interesting to see how they announce it at e3. I imagine they'll release a ps5 but incremental upgrades will be a part of that from the off.
TheLegendOfMart
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So developers would have to optimise a game for a potential PS5 console that is at least 4x faster as well as original PS4?
Never gonna happen.
Every new iteration the iteration before the last will get dumped.
I don't get how people are so accepting of this iterative model.
uncleniccius
Member
So you think a model will be dumped 4 years from launch (?)
I imagine it it happens it'll vary from game to game - call of duty etc will strive to be on as many as possible.. Just look at how last gen ports continued for so long even with a bigger gap power wise. What exclusives do will be very interesting. Some may be used in order to sell a new iteration I imagine. If it does just become iterative devs will need to support as much as they can if they want sales.. And shit ports will hurt them. I imagine resolution will be dropped on those versions though.
I'm not super accepting. I honestly have seen this as an inevitability for a long time. It might suck, but at the very least it'll be interesting to watch. And I say that as someone who probably won't have the money to upgrade.
That isn't really the case from where i'm standing. Sony will be moving to Zen eventually, they will be changing core amounts, RAM sizes and GPU powers and architectures.
PS4K is a half step while sticking to PS4.
What they are doing here isn't really a prelude to incremental upgrades perpetually with no floor, but a mid cycle refresh to take advantage of higher performance.
If what you were saying was true, they would be sticking to the PS4's power perpetually like PC games have to stick to low end PC configurations.
But they will eventually make it so that PS4 and PS4K are no longer developed on, that is the new concept of generation, a 2 model phase. So PS4..then PS4K, then PS5 and PS4/4K are dumped. Then PS5K possibly ect.