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If Sony decides against DRM, this will surely be at least one of the reasons why. And if it has the snowball effect of forcing Microsoft to also drop it, then even better.

GAF will go down in Video Gaming history as a catalyst during one of the most important junctures of the future of gaming. A book on console DRM will be written no doubt with a chapter on this very event.

*crosses fingers*
 
Man - Total Biscuit's video is so full of shit it hurts.

His argument is that Films/Music etc have multiple, recurring, revenue streams - concerts, radio plays, in flight films etc

Completely neglecting to mention DLC, Essentials, Platinum, GOTY editions etc

And Playstation Plus.
 
Well I have been doing my part on Twitter, not that I have many followers or anything. Moving into custom hashtag posts from here on out.
 
If Sony decides against DRM, this will surely be at least one of the reasons why. And if it has the snowball effect of forcing Microsoft to also drop it, then even better.

GAF will go down in Video Gaming history as a catalyst during one of the most important junctures of the future of gaming. A book on console DRM will be written no doubt with a chapter on this very event.

*crosses fingers*

Let's not get megalomaniacal.
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Got a reply from the BBC Tech Correspondent

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Just incase others want too see, I know a few others where talking about tweeting him.
 
every hour that passes i feel more pessimistic :(

Why though? At the earliest we're going to get a preemptive statement to the press the day before the E3 conferences, and that's in case they get wind that MS is going to announce that they will no longer be doing the DRM/online requirement stuff and Sony wants to be the first one to get good press for this announcement/most attention.

Otherwise, it's pretty expected that they will not be addressing this issue till their E3 conference (or at the latest, interviews after their conference).
 
The one where they said they have postponed implementing it... which is why we created this push to begin with.

Even if they are planning something, my bet is they won't be cocking the whole thing up like MS did. (The announcement.)

MAN, I really hope they don't go through with it. Give EA the finger and tell them to get over it.
 
GAF will go down in Video Gaming history as a catalyst during one of the most important junctures of the future of gaming. A book on console DRM will be written no doubt with a chapter on this very event.

*crosses fingers*
And it will be read by the next generation of GAFfers.
 
Just saw the other thread, seems like this is going to be a thing in the PS4.

I'm not surprised seen as the PS3 is the only machine on the market that currently offers Always-Online DRM. Keep fighting the good fight though, just be realistic.


You are pressed I c. Also your source is one who was not even sure what he was talking about. Also there are about 2-3 games that do that on PS3, doesn't 360 require online to even play ANY games on demand game?
 
Well I have been doing my part on Twitter, not that I have many followers or anything. Moving into custom hashtag posts from here on out.

I usually try to add the hashtags to all of my tweets if I can bring the message across.

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Even though I can't flood those twitter accounts, I still can spread the hashtags.
 
Not sure what you're asking here... sorry, this is actually the first web page I've ever done (besides my Pokemon fan page when I was 11, shit was boss).

Sorry, I meant a twitter button to tweet directly to handles such as @YahooNewsTech, @BoingBoing, @HuffPostTech, @consumerist, @wired.
 
Updated list. Let me know if I forgot anything / fucked up.

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Hi there, my account got approved much faster than I thought. Have been following this movement since the other thread about Geoff before it started and helped out where I could on Youtube and various gaming news sites. I also created a Twitter account against my oath to never use Twitter...

Anyway, some general advice for dealing with dissenters: their opinions and outcries have no positive effect on this campaign. When famousmortimer started this he was already resolute in what he thought was the right action to take, and if I'm not mistaken after everything I've kept up with, most of you have come to the same conclusion. The best way to deal with them is to not deal with them, at least not here. A discussion of ideals can be had in another thread, but this should be kept to the task of spreading awareness and keeping the pressure on Sony. Nothing is stopping this train, not TB and his gang of followers or anyone else.
 
Sorry, I meant a twitter button to tweet directly to handles such as @YahooNewsTech, @BoingBoing, @HuffPostTech, @consumerist, @wired.

Done. Swapped Wired in for BoingBoing. Not enough characters for all of them.

Is this too many Tweet links at the top? Should I move them under the body of the letter?


Updated list. Let me know if I forgot anything / fucked up.

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I said god damn. Updating web page now.
 
Updated list. Let me know if I forgot anything / fucked up.

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Man - Total Biscuit's video is so full of shit it hurts.

His argument is that Films/Music etc have multiple, recurring, revenue streams - concerts, radio plays, in flight films etc

Completely neglecting to mention DLC, Essentials, Platinum, GOTY editions etc

And Playstation Plus.

You could make a argument, those things aren't that prominent. Yet, that is neither our fault. Its up to the industry, make videogames available on flights, make services like PS+ a bigger deal ... or I dunno, make games cheaper but that is a whole other debate.

Again, not our fault.
 
Taking a step back from it all, this is amazing.

Almost at 100 pages.

Holy shit. I love your icon.

Hi there, my account got approved much faster than I thought. Have been following this movement since the other thread about Geoff before it started and helped out where I could on Youtube and various gaming news sites. I also created a Twitter account against my oath to never use Twitter...

Anyway, some general advice for dealing with dissenters: their opinions and outcries have no positive effect on this campaign. When famousmortimer started this he was already resolute in what he thought was the right action to take, and if I'm not mistaken after everything I've kept up with, most of you have come to the same conclusion. The best way to deal with them is to not deal with them, at least not here. A discussion of ideals can be had in another thread, but this should be kept to the task of spreading awareness and keeping the pressure on Sony. Nothing is stopping this train, not TB and his gang of followers or anyone else.

I agree with this. Welcome, btw ;)


This thread is just amazing. When famousmortimer started it, I thought "Oh, cool idea" and that was about it. A lot of other people jumped on and I tweeted and I went to bed. 2 days later, I had no idea it would still be going on like this and getting this amount of coverage.

Some of you guys are just doing such a bangup job. Its so nice to see (mostly) everyone come together for it.
 
I went against my own judgement and watched Total Biscuit youtube reply. He had some actual good points of relevancy, but when he brought up the music industry I stopped listening because he has no clue.

Does everyone here remember the whole music industry debacle. They increased prices to 19.99 or higher for a CD album. Then put restrictions on the cd to what and where you could play it. This was to battle piracy, and ITUNES. Apple took a huge cut of the pie before there was competition with amazon, spotify ect. People, should I say fans put their wallets where their mouths were and didn't buy CD's. They bought tickets to the shows, which is where most of the money for performers goes.

After the dust settled, we now have brand new CD albums with unreleased tracks, Bonus tracks and dvd's that are 9.99 to 11.99 when they come out.

Because of more competition for digital, amazon had cheap cd prices, and cheaper digital album prices, everyone jumped on it. Now the consumer is buying music again instead of downloading it, I mean there's still tons of people downloading music. But there are also more people buying it, because of digital sales, why even pay 12 bucks for a CD, when I pay 7 for it digitally and can stream it to anything.

If Total Biscuit think's second hand games is what's killing the developers and publishers he's wrong.

On a side note, where does he think these used copies come from? New game sales, and also he didn't mention other streams of revenue for games like he did for CD's and movies. We now have DLC, add ons, season passes, expansion packs, there are other forms of revenue for games out there. If someone buy's a multiplayer game thats 2 years old, but people still play it, is he going to buy all the map packs that people are using now?

Most probably yes, because he bought that old game second hand, which by then the money was made off of that game. He now has more money to spend on add on, DLC, expansions.

Total Biscuit fails to see this.

I am against the way gamestop pushes used games especially if the title is fairly new. But first of all why is gamestop getting copies of a new game traded in so early? It;s because A) it wasn't a good game, B) was a short game and had no replay value, C) there's no one playing online which goes with A.

Customer's shouldn't have to pay for developer's and publisher's not doing their part. It's the developer's job to make a great game with great features and replay value. That replay value could be in the form of mechanics. The witcher 2 had multiple endings and scenario's, Devl May cry has different difficulties, moves to master and bloody palace mode. Dead space 2 has new game plus, Resident evil 4 had new game plus, also Ada Wong missions, and mercenary mode.

If a game like heavenly sword had more to it than pretty animations and graphics, it wouldn't had been traded in so much. The same goes with the first uncharted, even though I replayed that at least three times, but that's just me.

It's also the publisher's job to promote the game correctly and not project unrealistic sales number's for an unproven game. The whole Square-Enix Tomb Raider sales debacle is nutt's, they wanted 6 million? That's stupid, that game did close to 4 million which is great.

The same can go for how the game is created. Developer's don't need overblown 100 million dollar budgets, they don't need 200 plus people working on a game. There are smaller developer's out there doing it with a third of the people, and producing Triple A quality titles.

It's not the gamer/consumer's fault developer's and publisher's don't use what's available for developing tools and Software, they don't need to create a new engine for their game if they used a previous proven one before hand.

The customer and gamer, are paying out the ass each new generation, well this generation at least. Look at pc, so many budget games, because they have smaller teams, use tools that are either free, or cheap, use proven technology.

It's not our fault they don't work smarter, if they had less shit games, and games that felt more complete when they shipped like last generation. Then there wouldn't be an issue with the market.
 
Sounds like Rami Ismail (Vlambeer) doesn't think we're doing to get anywhere :p

https://twitter.com/tha_rami/status/339412264195092481

He seems to be in the same boat as TB as far as thinking that everyone is just wasting their time. He said that if Sony entered in a contract with publishers then it's over with and there's nothing that they can do. And if they haven't and they don't do it then publishers will hang Xbox One exclusives over their head.
 
He seems to be in the same boat as TB as far as thinking that everyone is just wasting their time. He said that if Sony entered in a contract with publishers then it's over with and there's nothing that they can do. And if they haven't and they don't do it then publishers will hang Xbox One exclusives over their head.

People who think Sony and publishers have entered into some kind of contractual agreement have absolutely zero understanding about how price fixing and collusion laws work.
 
Hi there, my account got approved much faster than I thought. Have been following this movement since the other thread about Geoff before it started and helped out where I could on Youtube and various gaming news sites. I also created a Twitter account against my oath to never use Twitter...

Anyway, some general advice for dealing with dissenters: their opinions and outcries have no positive effect on this campaign. When famousmortimer started this he was already resolute in what he thought was the right action to take, and if I'm not mistaken after everything I've kept up with, most of you have come to the same conclusion. The best way to deal with them is to not deal with them, at least not here. A discussion of ideals can be had in another thread, but this should be kept to the task of spreading awareness and keeping the pressure on Sony. Nothing is stopping this train, not TB and his gang of followers or anyone else.

Welcome! What a good first/early post, too. You can stay. :)
 
This is amazing. 100 pages in two days? Roughly 10,000 tweets? The entire gaming world noticing?

When GAF has a worthy cause, we're a force to be reckoned with!
 
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