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[John Wick]

check post #232

Don't need to check anything unlike you. I don't take one line out of context and then run with it. He made it clear it was speculation and to wait for confirmation from Sony or AMD. It's called speculation........not confirmed fact.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

RDNA CU’s are clustered in pairs called DCU’s as Dual Compute Units.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Bro, The Pro came out earlier weaker and cheaper the X came out later stronger and more expensive... the Pro was beaten doesn't matter how you word it.

Coming out a year later and for $100... of course you gotta be more powerful, what do we want to give them a cookie for showing up ? It is a great box, but let’s not get carried away.

 

[MonarchJT]

Don't need to check anything unlike you. I don't take one line out of context and then run with it. He made it clear it was speculation and to wait for confirmation from Sony or AMD. It's called speculation........not confirmed fact.

yes of course. you trust him, i don't . Right now all Beyond3d is making fun of him. Probably will ban him as source

 

[FatKingBallman]

check post #232

That tweet of his is based on his own speculation from before. So. NO CONFIRMATION, just of speculation nature

 

[Panajev2001a]

Hehe ,

Better ?

 

[ethomaz]

RDNA CU’s are clustered in pairs called DCU’s as Dual Compute Units.

Tempest Engine is not a Dual CU.

“The Tempest Engine is effectively a re-engineered AMD GPU compute unit, stripped of its caches and relying solely on DMA transfers - just like a PS3 SPU. In turn, this opens the door to full utilisation of the CU's vector units.”

It is a single CU without cache.

Inside PlayStation 5: the specs and the tech that deliver Sony's next-gen vision

www.eurogamer.net

 

[quest]

Coming out a year later and for $100... of course you gotta be more powerful, what do we want to give them a cookie for showing up ? It is a great box, but let’s not get carried away.

It also had 4 more gigs of ram, uhd blue ray drive and much higher build quality. Also not like Sony lowered the price of the pro. That 100 dollars got a uhd drive, no 747 and 50% more raw gpu specs. I say that is the deal of the century the ps4 pro was a rip off.

 

[FatKingBallman]

yes of course. you trust him, i don't . Right now all Beyond3d is making fun of him. Probably will ban him as source

I don't trust him either, but maybe they won't ban him because he didn't confirmed that,

 

[acm2000]

RDNA CU’s are clustered in pairs called DCU’s as Dual Compute Units.

ah is that why the series x is more future proof? it features MCU which is much bigger and better than DCU, especially after WW84 disaster

 

[Panajev2001a]

It also had 4 more gigs of ram, uhd blue ray drive and much higher build quality. Also not like Sony lowered the price of the pro. That 100 dollars got a uhd drive, no 747 and 50% more raw gpu specs. I say that is the deal of the century the ps4 pro was a rip off.

Lol... a year later. I guess you were sold a lemon since time does not matter (technology does not depreciate nor advance in 12 months ) and the XSX smokes your XOX. Also, not a rip off considering the time, the price, and the effect on PS4 exclusives and VR titles, but you know that .

Sure, deal of the century and get to quote the UHD player twice: it does not make the value go up more if you keep quoting the same thing.

 

[ethomaz]

yes of course. you trust him, i don't . Right now all Beyond3d is making fun of him. Probably will ban him as source

Actually Beyomd3D is supporting him... not making fun.

You can see here: https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/...l-spin-post-launch-2021-xbsx-ps5.62271/page-5

Or maybe you are confusing “best YouTuber source” with making fun of him

 

[MonarchJT]

That tweet of his is based on his own speculation from before. So. NO CONFIRMATION, just of speculation nature

of course. lol

 

[Proelite]

I don't trust him either, but maybe they won't ban him because he didn't confirmed that,

 

[Lysandros]

Is 256-Bit FPU confirmed for XSX's Zen 2?

 

[Panajev2001a]

ah is that why the series x is more future proof? the MCU is much bigger and better than the DCU, especially after WW84 disaster

What? Ahhhahaha dude, I was not the marketing genius at AMD that went with this.

 

[MonarchJT]

Actually Beyomd3D is supporting him... not laughing.

blacklisting him and saying that he engaged with fanboys in the console wars because of easy clicks? probably you are on beyond3dgold and i can't have access to what you reading ))

 

[Concern]

This thread is turning exactly how I thought it would. Thanks gaf, you guys are the best


Ps.... Spec thread was full people saying Ps5 was zen 3, rdna3, and had infinite cache. "Not long now.... tick tock" - you know who

 

[ethomaz]

blacklisting him and saying that he engaged with fanboys in the console wars because of easy clicks? probably you are on beyond3dgold and i can't have access to what you reading ))

I linked lol
They are talking about RGT there and nothing of what you says here lol.

Some quotes...

“RGT is probably the best sourced youtuber but he got the unified ZEN 3 cache wrong.”

“He was ( and mostly still is) one of the best sources on discrete PC architectures in the amateur space along with rogamevand other dataminers. He just chose to engage in console wars because he figured out than fanboys will give him easy clicks. Disappointing.”

I did not read anything about blacklist, ban, etc.
I take the comments more like praise.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Is 256-Bit FPU confirmed for XSX's Zen 2?

I wonder what they did cut as Cerny specifically mention the CPU had 256 bits operations support (was rewatching the Road to PS5 piece today of all days). I do not think they went with the old two cycle AVX256, 1x256 bits instruction executed as 2x128 bits ones, one per cycle.

Why it would consume a lot less power to process AVX256 with two 128 bits instructions in two cycles than single cycle 256 bits. Still, but confused I will be honest.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Tempest Engine is not a Dual CU.

“The Tempest Engine is effectively a re-engineered AMD GPU compute unit, stripped of its caches and relying solely on DMA transfers - just like a PS3 SPU. In turn, this opens the door to full utilisation of the CU's vector units.”

It is a single CU without cache.

Inside PlayStation 5: the specs and the tech that deliver Sony's next-gen vision

www.eurogamer.net

Yes, I know I was not calling Tempest a CU or a dual CU, it is neither... well a re-engineered CU.

 

[John Wick]

yes of course. you trust him, i don't . Right now all Beyond3d is making fun of him. Probably will ban him as source

Trust him? I don't even know him. I sometimes listen and read what he posts. He makes it clear when he's confirming a fact or when he's speculating by talking to his sources and friends. Like i've said before you have a problem of taking one thing out of context and then running with it. You use the part that benefits your arguement but totally ignore the rest of what was said. When people call you out on it you don't answer or ignore it and then try to shift to something else.
Oh my god RTG must be devasted because Beyond3D are making fun of him. Damn his life must be over. I think he's been on the social media long enough to know how to ignore idiots........

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Get fucked ya fucking idiot.

 

[ethomaz]

Trust him? I don't even know him. I sometimes listen and read what he posts. He makes it clear when he's confirming a fact or when he's speculating by talking to his sources and friends. Like i've said before you have a problem of taking one thing out of context and then running with it. You use the part that benefits your arguement but totally ignore the rest of what was said. When people call you out on it you don't answer or ignore it and then try to shift to something else.
Oh my god RTG must be devasted because Beyond3D are making fun of him. Damn his life must be over. I think he's been on the social media long enough to know how to ignore idiots........

Beyond3D is not making fun of him from what I know... most are still praising him with the “best YouTuber source”.

I mean where are these Beyond3D links to post making fun of him

Edit - I found it... one single guy said that about blacklisting:

Playstation 5 [PS5] [Release November 12 2020]

"Bomba surprise that Sony likely cut down the 256-Bit FP pipes to just 128-Bit." What are the benefits of that?

forum.beyond3d.com

 

[Lysandros]

I wonder what they did cut as Cerny specifically mention the CPU had 256 bits operations support (was rewatching the Road to PS5 piece today of all days). I do not think they went with the old two cycle AVX256, 1x256 bits instruction executed as 2x128 bits ones, one per cycle.

Why it would consume a lot less power to process AVX256 with two 128 bits instructions in two cycles than single cycle 256 bits. Still, but confused I will be honest.

Yes, i seem to remember Cerny's statement from Road to PS5. I am also confused. Maybe someone can ask about this to Matt Hargett on Twitter but i doubt that he can respond.

 

[John Wick]

That tweet of his is based on his own speculation from before. So. NO CONFIRMATION, just of speculation nature

He doesn't understand when someone states fact or is speculating. If you listen to him he always clarifies until Sony or MS confirm this take it with a pinch of salt and as unconfirmed. See what MonarchJT specialises on is taking one thing out of context and just focussing on that while ignoring the rest.

 

[FritzJ92]

absolutly not - since it was clear that Sonys price goal was 399 - wich imposes restrictions of course. Cerny would have something more powerfull developed if 499 was realistic . MS on the other hand was loosing hard in sales and at that point they could have released a 1000Dollar console - What they did , and as a note - they did it good , was to achieve a victory in the mindgames.

But now we have a new start of gen on our hands and for sure Cerny will not just emergency overclock PS5s APU to closer the Gap between PS5 and XBox X.
A gap that is not even there even if the paper suggests that there must be one. Cerny delivered the much more sophisticated silicon along side a much more balanced and foward thinking Console.

LMAO so you are agreeing that X was a better console because they had a higher price target?... I mean Pro was a good console, but X was a better performing console, and this objectively a fact.

Man it's been 2 months, calling one platform more balanced or sophisticated is all speculation, and a prediction based on rumors and a few inconsistent last gen games ported over.

S/N
This thread will be consumed by more speculation, and fanboy justification, and fabricated false realities that will help someone sleep better at night and i guess that is all that matters at the end of the day.

 

[MasterCornholio]

"Oh noooos he implied my master cerny lied to me". Garbage like you should just be removed from the forums. Don't like a discussion, so you launch insults at people. Sad little person lol

Well if the CUs are not RDNA2 ones then it would be false marketing. But the chief architect did push hard that they are RDNA2 CUs so I think that's unlikely.

So far it seems people are questioning the CPU set up more than the GPU with this die shot.

Also I don't like seeing personal attacks from anyone. That includes you BTW.

 

[John Wick]

Well if the CUs are not RDNA2 ones then it would be false marketing. But the chief architect did push hard that they are RDNA2 CUs so I think that's unlikely.

So far it seems people are questioning the CPU set up more than the GPU with this die shot.

Also I don't like seeing personal attacks from anyone. That includes you BTW.

It's RDNA 2 based card. Otherwise what that AMD leaker said about the SX is also true where it has RDNA1 and 2 bits.

 

[ethomaz]

I wonder what they did cut as Cerny specifically mention the CPU had 256 bits operations support (was rewatching the Road to PS5 piece today of all days). I do not think they went with the old two cycle AVX256, 1x256 bits instruction executed as 2x128 bits ones, one per cycle.

Why it would consume a lot less power to process AVX256 with two 128 bits instructions in two cycles than single cycle 256 bits. Still, but confused I will be honest.

Cerny said PS5 CPU supports 256bits native instructions.
He did not talk about Floating Points Units doing 256bits.

It is confusing...

Edit - I think I get the confusion most are thinking Sony cut 256bits from the FPU but it could be they removed the FADD or something else... I don’t know.

 

[FritzJ92]

Coming out a year later and for $100... of course you gotta be more powerful, what do we want to give them a cookie for showing up ? It is a great box, but let’s not get carried away.

Thats my point, the X>pro>4>1... why the need to diminsih one product to make it seem like one was less inferior... you konw its possible to say the Pro was a great console and thats it... mabye i'm looking at this without a care for what was "cheaper"

 

[Concern]

Well if the CUs are not RDNA2 ones then it would be false marketing. But the chief architect did push hard that they are RDNA2 CUs so I think that's unlikely.

So far it seems people are questioning the CPU set up more than the GPU with this die shot.

Also I don't like seeing personal attacks from anyone. That includes you BTW.

I don't like em either but I've seen this guy launch insults plenty of times here already. People offering nothing but insults don't belong on a forum.

 

[John Wick]

Beyond3D is not making fun of him from what I know... most are still praising him with the “best YouTuber source”.

I mean where are these Beyond3D links to post making fun of him

Edit - I found it... one single guy said that about blacklisting:

Playstation 5 [PS5] [Release November 12 2020]

"Bomba surprise that Sony likely cut down the 256-Bit FP pipes to just 128-Bit." What are the benefits of that?

forum.beyond3d.com

It's MonarchJT like usual taking one thing and running with it. I personally think he's jealous...................................

 

[MasterCornholio]

It's RDNA 2 based card. Otherwise what that AMD leaker said about the SX is also true where it has RDNA1 and 2 bits.

The die shot does show that it closely resembles a desktop RDNA2 GPU so that's probably the case. Not saying the XSX isn't RDNA2 but for some reason it looks alot different to me. I honestly have no idea why it looks the way it does.

Maybe it's nothing though.

 

[BattleScar]

I find it amazing that people can't read on a text-based forum.
Where the fuck does Fritzchen say anything about the GPU in his tweet?

 

[John Wick]

Thats my point, the X>pro>4>1... why the need to diminsih one product to make it seem like one was less inferior... you konw its possible to say the Pro was a great console and thats it... mabye i'm looking at this without a care for what was "cheaper"

I would expect a console releasing one year after and at $100 more to be better otherwise it would be stupid unless your Nintendo. The One X is a fantastic console.

 

[FatKingBallman]

Oh noooos he implied my master cerny lied to me". Garbage like you should just be removed from the forums. Don't like a discussion, so you launch insults at people. Sad little person lol

I don't like em either but I've seen this guy launch insults plenty of times here already. People offering nothing but insults don't belong on a forum.

Yes, he did insulted member, but also, you've insulted him even though he didn't said a word to you. Both of you'll be reported.

 

[MonarchJT]

I linked lol
They are talking about RGT there and nothing of what you says here lol.

Some quotes...

“RGT is probably the best sourced youtuber but he got the unified ZEN 3 cache wrong.”

“He was ( and mostly still is) one of the best sources on discrete PC architectures in the amateur space along with rogamevand other dataminers. He just chose to engage in console wars because he figured out than fanboys will give him easy clicks. Disappointing.”

I did not read anything about blacklist, ban, etc.

you amaze me :


"RGT is probably the best sourced youtuber but he got the unified ZEN 3 cache wrong. --->>>

Also the upgrade to 38CUs, upgrade to 16 gbpp GDDR6 iirc." (wrong)

"He gets info by piecing the bits he hears over internet + fishing for it via DMs. Believe me, he doesnt know much"

"So no unified L3 cache? I guess we can all blacklist RedGamingTech now."


"Yes I am happy he is caught to have a bad source."

"Eyeballing it, looks like 2 X 4MB L3 for the CPU so same size as XSX / Renior.
Surprise to no-one, I'm sure.
Also lmao Red Gaming Tech."

etc etc etc

 

[bender]

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Yes, he did insulted member, but also, you've insulted him even though he didn't said a word to you. Both of you'll be reported.

They went hard at that dude for nothing. Seems fine to me for people to go hard at them.

 

[FatKingBallman]

They went hard at that dude for nothing. Seems fine to me for people to go hard at them.

You can go hard at someone in a nicer way

 

[BattleScar]

It’s heavily overclocked, that’s why they use liquid metal, and that’s why it has the performance it has, for now ...

Its not heavily overclocked.
Overclocked RDNA2 can hit 2600MHz quite comfortably. 2230MHz is quite pedestrian by comparison.

 

[ethomaz]

you amaze me :


"RGT is probably the best sourced youtuber but he got the unified ZEN 3 cache wrong. --->>>

Also the upgrade to 38CUs, upgrade to 16 gbpp GDDR6 iirc." (wrong)

"He gets info by piecing the bits he hears over internet + fishing for it via DMs. Believe me, he doesnt know much"

"So no unified L3 cache? I guess we can all blacklist RedGamingTech now."


"Yes I am happy he is caught to have a bad source."

"Eyeballing it, looks like 2 X 4MB L3 for the CPU so same size as XSX / Renior.
Surprise to no-one, I'm sure.
Also lmao Red Gaming Tech."

etc etc etc

So you basically have nothing against him on Beyond3D? Where is a Beyond3D making fun of him outside these 2-3 users posts?

I mean there are more users saying he is a good source there.

Who I believe? You or the what you can read there?

 

[ToTTenTranz]

That guy is a beast for doing the PS5 layout so good.
PS5

Edit: He forgot to mention the Cache Scrubbers.
Also, I think you can't find the Tempest Audio Engine that easily, as it's just a CU's being utilized for Audio.
Could be any CU. Which ever one that would have been disable for yields.

Tempest is a CU but with its caches stripped down, so it could look completely different from a RDNA2 CU.
I don't think it's in one of the two disabled WGPs either. Those are disabled for redundancy and higher yields.

yes of course. you trust him, i don't . Right now all Beyond3d is making fun of him. Probably will ban him as source

Did Paul steal your lunch in middleschool, stole your girlfriend or something?

Beyond3d bans sources they shouldn't.
For example, at some point they banned the original leakers of Radeon VII and Infinity Cache.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Its not heavily overclocked.
Overclocked RDNA2 can hit 2600MHz quite comfortably. 2230MHz is quite pedestrian by comparison.

I did a bit of research and it appears that AMD low-balls the clocks on their GPUs. Then the ones who buy the chips from AMD run them at much higher clocks without any issues.

I think some people are getting AMDs reported clocks confused with the clocks that the chip buyers set on their cards.

 

[martino]

No, it isn't, just like PS5 isn't RDNA1 based.
They are both (you might call it) "hybrids" based on an in development RDNA2 design, developed in the same timeframe with RDNA2 but customized.


btw, that video is from the same guy who have annotated the die-shots in this thread. He is purely technical and not some fanboy like some other "experts" in this forum.

Btw, now we know those "insiders" who just spread FUD (well... again).

great video....
so it seems for both the shader engine is more like rdna1 than 2 in fact.

 

[Knitted Knight]

It's all we ever wanted. No wonder it has a performance delta on the competition. That Geometry Engine smack in the middle is big and sexy as hell.

Lol at Cornholio with the RDNA 1 FUD. Keep at it champ.

 

[Krisprolls]

Why should people care WHY games generally run better on PS5 ? All that matter is they do. If they're some sort of custom RDNA1, I frankly don't care, as long as games seem to run better or at least on par to Series X... I just don't understand why it would matter.

You're not devs, you won't understand what each manufacturer did anyway in terms of customizations.

Look at the games and the results. They speak for themselves. PS5 is extremely well designed (I should say better designed), otherwise... games wouldn't run like they do.

And that's BEFORE Sony 1st party biggest games, which means the 1st party games will destroy everything else available on competitor platform as usual...

 

[Night.Ninja]

Funny seeing people now do back flips to back track

This forum never disappoints.

 

[M1chl]

Why should people care WHY games generally run better on PS5 ? All that matter is they do. If they're some sort of custom RDNA1, I frankly don't care, as long as games seem to run better or at least on par to Series X... I just don't understand why it would matter.

You're not devs, you won't understand what each manufacturer did anyway in terms of customizations.

Look at the games and the results. They speak for themselves. PS5 is extremely well designed (I should see better designed), otherwise... games wouldn't run like they do.

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