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[ChiefDada]

 

[squidilix]

Really poor choice of game demonstrating PS5 Pro.

 

[mansoor1980]

so where is the single best mode with high framerate and fidelity
their message regarding choice between different modes is confusing

 

[SkyHighTrees]

too many buzzwords. i got two wordz
fuck em

 

[SweetTooth]

Gamers will complain about anything

 

[Shake Your Rump]

so where is the single best mode with high framerate and fidelity
their message regarding choice between different modes is confusing

It is strange considering Cerny specifically said the Pro would make it so players wouldn’t have to choose. Meanwhile, Insonniac is adding even more modes.

 

[Games of Today]

It is actually pretty exciting that 4K, 60fps as already become mainstream on the consoles. I expected for the fidelity and performance mode options to be separate for this entire generation.

Naughty Dog's next game is REALLY going to blow everything out of the water if they deliver it on launch at 4K, 60fps.

Same with the next Battlefield title, if Vince Zampella is to believed.

 

[TrackZ]

Yeah, multiple Pro modes is dumb. Just use the power and funnel it all into fidelity+ visuals at performance+ frame rates.

 

[Bojji]

I like that you make thread for every small bit of PR about Pro.

Any new info here?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I like that you make thread for every small bit of PR about Pro.

Any new info here?

No,

I was hoping they’d show off the pro fidelity mode with enhanced ray tracing

But maybe that’s only in SM2

 

[Senua]

Yeah, multiple Pro modes is dumb. Just use the power and funnel it all into fidelity+ visuals at performance+ frame rates.

Represent. Is coming for you bro

 

[ChiefDada]

I like that you make thread for every small bit of PR about Pro.

I really don't, though.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I like that you make thread for every small bit of PR about Pro.

You'd be bored on here otherwise.

 

[FrankWza]

Gamers will complain about anything

 

[ChiefDada]

You'd be bore on here otherwise.

 

[squidilix]

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Yeah, multiple Pro modes is dumb. Just use the power and funnel it all into fidelity+ visuals at performance+ frame rates.

Can't do fidelity mode at 60 fps because of the CPU.

 

[SweetTooth]

so where is the single best mode with high framerate and fidelity
their message regarding choice between different modes is confusing

It depends on the devs, the power is there ... what else you want Sony to do? Start coding on behalf of devs?

 

[SlimySnake]

I really dont understand why everyone of these devs said how they wanted the players to experience the best fidelity without sacrificing framerate. Because we know for a fact that they are adding multiple new Ray tracing options to the fidelity mode.

You are literally making them choose again.

And thats ok. id rather play at 30 fps with rt shadows and AO, but bizarre for them to say this.

 

[mansoor1980]

It depends on the devs, the power is there ... what else you want Sony to do? Start coding on behalf of devs?

 

[FrankWza]

I laughed at this but I should be sad because it's true

 

[asdasdasdbb]

It depends on the devs, the power is there ... what else you want Sony to do? Start coding on behalf of devs?

Zen 4 woulda been nice.

 

[SweetTooth]

 

[blastprocessor]

Misleading since they offer multiple modes.

 

[RedC]

PS5 Pro purchase justified.

 

[mansoor1980]

 

[SweetTooth]

Zen 4 woulda been nice.

No, it would have been a disaster.

 

[Kerotan]

I've recently platinumed Ratchet 1-3, size matters, secret agent clank, all 4 one and Q-Force. I'll be doing deadlocked next and in 3 weeks when I get my pro I think it'll be the perfect time to give Rift apart another blast.

 

[ChiefDada]

I really dont understand why everyone of these devs said how they wanted the players to experience the best fidelity without sacrificing framerate. Because we know for a fact that they are adding multiple new Ray tracing options to the fidelity mode.

You are literally making them choose again.

And thats ok. id rather play at 30 fps with rt shadows and AO, but bizarre for them to say this.

Their messaging is definitely scattered but truth be told it's a lose lose situation from a marketing perspective given the circular relationship between fidelity and framerate, i.e. you will ALWAYS be able to push fidelity at lower fps, regardless of hardware. At the end of the day, I'm glad Insomniac and other devs have chosen to keep pushing the bar even if it comes at the "expense" of confusing messaging. Which again, can never ultimately be satisfied without leaving extra fidelity on the table.

TLDR; great choices/options are always a positive.

 

[Bojji]

I really don't, though.

Sorry!

I assumed this was @XXL thread! He makes stuff like that.

You'd be bored on here otherwise.

That's true!

 

[asdasdasdbb]

No, it would have been a disaster.

What? You don't like faster CPUs?

There's a reason they had to make options, since the CPU is too slow to do the Fidelity Mode at 60 fps.

 

[Mr Moose]

What? You don't like faster CPUs?

There's a reason they had to make options, since the CPU is too slow to do the Fidelity Mode at 60 fps.

It would be a PS6 then.

 

[Bojji]

It would be a PS6 then.

No?

It would just be better than it is now. It would allow it to power past CPU limits like in BG3 act 3.

PS6 will be ~3x GPU and at least 2x CPU upgrade (plus 2x RAM?) over standard PS5.

 

[Senua]

Every single gif on this page has a black person in it, except mine.

 

[mckmas8808]

It is strange considering Cerny specifically said the Pro would make it so players wouldn’t have to choose. Meanwhile, Insonniac is adding even more modes.

That's called developer choice. It's amazing!

 

[rodrigolfp]

"game-changer"

A severe way to "downplay" the base console.

 

[TehGoomba7s]

It is strange considering Cerny specifically said the Pro would make it so players wouldn’t have to choose. Meanwhile, Insonniac is adding even more modes.

He said you don't have to choose between performance over quality. Every mode we've seen so far runs the quality settings with performance mode fps. Really clear message.

 

[saintjules]

Every single gif on this page has a black person in it, except mine.

 

[Vick]

Can't do fidelity mode at 60 fps because of the CPU.

Given we've seen instances of 20fps gains over base PS5, and considering some Fidelity Modes on PS5 run at 40fps, it most likely can get extremely close but not guarantee a rocksolid experience.
I can't imagine trying to sell "our $700 Pro 60fps Modes show the same exact fidelity of every regular PS5 Fidelity, instead of simply very close and at times better, but run worse than 60fps Modes on PS5".

 

[SweetTooth]

What? You don't like faster CPUs?

There's a reason they had to make options, since the CPU is too slow to do the Fidelity Mode at 60 fps.

No?

It would just be better than it is now. It would allow it to power past CPU limits like in BG3 act 3.

PS6 will be ~3x GPU and at least 2x CPU upgrade (plus 2x RAM?) over standard PS5.

Changing the "brains" of the console entails updating the entire development suite for the console which will make developers essentially coding for two versions of the game...stop thinking of consoles as PC.. its not the same!

Name a single instance where console maker changed a CPU midgen? Never happened, never will happen.

 

[Musilla]

No,

I was hoping they’d show off the pro fidelity mode with enhanced ray tracing

But maybe that’s only in SM2

 

[PatientGamer]

So which mode should I choose to get the best framerate & fidelity?

I'm not a nerd, so I don't know what all this PSSR nonsense is about.

 

[Kangx]

So which mode should I choose to get the best framerate & fidelity?

I'm not a nerd, so I don't know what all this PSSR nonsense is about.

The performance mode on the pro is still the best mode. The 40fps mode is ok to test out with a bit higher res and more RT features, but 60fps is still the king.

Unless games are really blurry and have image quality/stability issues, then On the pro, always go for the performance mode.

 

[Fake]

Really poor choice of game demonstrating PS5 Pro.

Luck they are using a PS5 game this time instead of re-using a PS4.

 

[SidViscous]

Changing the "brains" of the console entails updating the entire development suite for the console which will make developers essentially coding for two versions of the game...stop thinking of consoles as PC.. its not the same!

Name a single instance where console maker changed a CPU midgen? Never happened, never will happen.

3DS

Modern consoles have an SDK/API that abstracts hardware, it’s totally possible to increase the CPU mid-gen.

The reason they usually don’t is because it’s a waste of resources, you can’t give the Pro version of a game more NPCs or better AI as that’s making a fundamentally different version of the game. So the only thing the CPU upgrade can do is iron out existing performance.

Where as a GPU upgrade, you can crank up all the settings, so you get more bang for your upgrade buck.

You are often better off upgrading things like ram and bus speeds in a mid gen bump, as that can also sort cpu bottlenecks on existing games, without generating more heat and consuming more power. I suspect the PS5 pro has some improvements here even if they’ve not spoken about it.

 

[sachos]

Its funny they say you dont have to choose but they add a Fidelity Pro mode, we are at square one again lol. Im totally fine with it, im just wondering what better marketing line they could have choosen so you don't have this "problem" again.

 

[TehGoomba7s]

Its funny they say you dont have to choose but they add a Fidelity Pro mode, we are at square one again lol. Im totally fine with it, im just wondering what better marketing line they could have choosen so you don't have this "problem" again.

Their message is that you don't have to choose quality over performance. You can get quality Fidelity at performance framerates now. Which has been proven many times. The default Pro modes on games is the best of both versions of a base PS5 game. Not sure why so many are choosing to struggle with this.