Will it have only 1 mode on Pro? We don't know that yet. Could be but we will have to wait for the release for that.
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PS5 Pro Reveal Reaction - Tech, Specs, Games, Price - A DF Direct Special
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Vick
Gold Member
A game that has two modes on PS5, with a Performance one that's proper solid 60fps, is going to ship with a single, 30fps Mode on PS5 Pro?
belteshazzar
Member
Maybe Sony is just trying to speedrun Destroy Your Brand Any%. I really have no clue what Sony is thinking making this announcement on the heels of the Concord disaster. It is just adding insult to injury. Are they really this oblivious about reading the temperature in the room? Perhaps they just don't care. I was looking forward to what they had to show, but now I have no interest on it. That price point is ridiculous, and seeing that I would need the drive and want the stand, it would probably shoot upwards to the $800 territory. "Pro" console without the drive and the stand... they've got to be joking. All the games shown were very unremarkable. I played Last of Us Part 2 back when it came out on my PS4 Pro. I mean, who cares about the details on the 4x zoom that now look more clear! I sure as heck didn't care a few years back when I was playing the game, I wasn't like "Man, I really wish the text on the background that is far away and that I don't care about would be less fuzzy...". Show something new and exciting with your new console. Seriously, what where they thinking!?
Jinzo Prime
Member
Yeah, they chose very well optimized games, not ones that struggle like Jedi Survivor or Wukong.
peish
Member
much longer and more excitedly presented. I still remembered how mark showed the butterfly wings effect of ps4 pro gpu.
Yet ps5 pro video looked so dead, and mark had to invitie one cnet guy as the mouth of cerny, one!
their demo suite looks dead as well
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ManaByte
Member
A game that has two modes on PS5, with a Performance one that's proper solid 60fps, is going to ship with a single, 30fps Mode on PS5 Pro?
It has more than two modes. There's a balanced VRR mode, but none are solid 60fps. There are areas of Hogwarts that can crated the framerate.
Bojji
Member
Wow, John said the Hogwarts footage they showed was 30fps…
RT in this game is super CPU heavy, it crushes CPUs so no wonder with RT this game has to be 30 fps:
And many people argued with me that "zen 2 is fine", it's not. It will limit a lot of games with RT.
For the massive amount of money they are asking for they should use at least fucking 2022 cpu in there (7700?).
This console will suck in many games.
Little Chicken
Member
Aren't DF biased because there was a PS5 box on the, heaven forbid, floor, or something? 
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Loxus
Member
You sure?
Vs. PS5 Pro
Or did you mean this one? What exactly is more exciting about this vs. what we got today?
Vick
Gold Member
I saw FF7 Rebirth and Alan Wake 2, both sucked in Performance Mode.
Jedi Survivor also, at the start of the video. Would be very weird to have it there and not be noticeably improved as a game.
Not my experience at all in hundreds of hours regular Performance Mode. This ain't a fluctuating game on PS5, it's proper 60fps all the time.
According to DF it's the Xbox version that sucks:
I'm only interested in PS5 Pro for 60fps at high resolution, and I hope it's going to achieve this otherwise I won't even bother.
It's obvious proper RT @ 60fps is for next-gen, or highest end PCs.
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Saber
Member
Wasn't the entire point of the video showing PS5 PRO does quality without sacrifice though? Thats why it looks weird to me.
ManaByte
Member
I finished it on PS5. It's not 60fps all the time. It's much better than the XSX version, but there are still areas of Hogwarts that causes it to drop below 30.
Vick
Gold Member
Wth? Such as?
Never stumbled upon such a thing, or completely removed them from my brain.
I remember full 60fps during insane batshit battles filled with particles, as well as max upgraded broom traversals.
ManaByte
Member
Staircases in Hogwarts can crater the framerate.
recursive
Member
Woooooooosh
I am referring to Sony doing classy, hyped E3 conferences like they used to.
If for some reason you thought I was hoping for a cheaper Console, you should know the person you quoted recently purchased this:
A Life-Size T-Rex Head From 'Jurassic Park' Was Just Unveiled at SDCC
Elite Creature Collectibles is offering a life-sized Tyrannosaurus rex head from Jurassic Park. Read on for more details, including the price.collider.com
Which may retail for $18,000 excluding shipping in the US, but actually costed me 26.000€ because here in Europe we don't pay more for Consoles only unfortunately.
ManaByte
Member
I'm not talking about "reports". I played through and finished the game and will eventually platinum it (the annoying part of that is you have to play the first portion of the game with all four houses).
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Exactly it's f'ing obscene especially the fact they only showed up with 15 frickin guaranteed games that will be improved on the Pro lol! No Cyberpunk 2077? THE poster child for PC gaming and RT and a game that EVERYONE interested in the Pro would've wanted tp see upgraded. Or how about the recent SW Outlaws or even better Black Myth and Space Marine 2, which are stunning but struggle big time on PS5 ...
That they thought they could give us so little today, with no guarantees that PS5 games will get patches for an $800 console (no disc drive at $700) is fuxking insane and really sad.
It's not even the price that's the issue for me, it's what it offers for that price that i have such a problem with.
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Vick
Gold Member
And I did as well, and sure as fuck don't remember framerate going under 60fps, let alone under 30 as you reported. I looked for some report to verify this, and all I can read online is how Performance Mode on PS5 holds 60fps.
Analysis - Hardware - Platform - Hogwarts Legacy | Peformance Detailed
Some Players have already made comparassion videos of each platform on how they run: What graphics modes are available for Hogwarts Legacy on PlayStation®5 and Xbox Series X|S? The PlayStation®5 and Xbox Series X|S console versions of Hogwarts Legacy support multiple graphical modes of play...
That being said, not sure what the actual hell this has to do with the Thread in the first place.
There's a 60fps Mode on PS5, and according to virtually everyone it's already solid 60fps. It's obviously not going to run at 30fps on Pro, as some I'm sure genuinely worried users like
Kacho
were suggesting.
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papoluca12
Neo Member
They literally said it would launch with 40-50 Pro enhanced games in Nov in the CNET video. You think they would reveal all those games in one 9 min presentation? It will be build up over time until November.
Fake
Gold Member
Wukong would be the best case in point for selling PSSR.
Vick
Gold Member
Would have been smart however to showcase actually faulty looking titles like Jedi Survivor or Wukong being transformed by PSSR.
Going with their first party when they already feature competent Performance Modes just made for an odd presentation.
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Actually, DF addresses this and succeeded in making feel a complete moron.
You as Sony can't showcase the work of other developers looking like crap.
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Kacho
Gold Member
It will in the RT mode Sony used for their presentation.
Time stamped for ya:
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ChiefDada
Gold Member
Exactly. Double performance from 30 to 60 fps and dramatically higher image quality than PS5 fidelity mode, all evident from a shit youtube capture (grass, fence, NPC face/detail, armored vehicle, symbiote decal, stone walkway...) What's not to like here?
You will barely see any improvement in 3rd party games, the devs won’t bother. Buying the console now is foolish
RodriGames40
Member
Damn those faces are pretty damn obvious from the get go. PSSR doing its thing... Honestly speaking the only thing not to like here is the price, because I do think Sony are delivering quite a great upgrade here in theory.Exactly. Double performance from 30 to 60 fps and dramatically higher image quality than PS5 fidelity mode, all evident from a shit youtube capture (grass, fence, NPC face/detail, armored vehicle, symbiote decal, stone walkway...) What's not to like here?
Killjoy-NL
Member
They did show FF.
bundylove
Member
Three people? Heisenberg will buy 2 so its only 2 people.
Fess
Member
The sad reality is that even you as a fan with this type of reaction won’t change anything. Other fans will defend the price, already does, scalpers will make FOMO kick in, online discourse will make the price point a constant talking point but it’ll still sell out, and this thing is going to place the baseline for highend console gaming at $700/€800 now.
I’m just annoyed that I’ll now have three shitty strategies for Sony’s exclusives.
1. Play the worst possible version on my coil whine PS5. Possibly at 30fps if devs starts targeting Pro instead.
2. Pay €800 to play a handful of timed exclusives.
3. Wait for 2-4 years and play on PC.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I just started watching this and John's point that it seems like Sony is trying to collapse the graphics mode with this thing is good, and I hope it's true. Because I hate graphics mode. Loading up Astro Bot and not having to pick between performance or fidelity reminded me of why I like consoles. This stuff just needs to go.
MisterXDTV
Member
GymWolf
Gold Member
Good recap of the situation.
StueyDuck
Member
doing the math, currently, the dollar to the rand is about 18, so 500 us is like ~R9000 (should be the retail price purely by conversion), if you buy a new PS5 here today (with disc) you are looking at about ~R15000 (which is no small expense).
That means this this is going to launch at like ~R24000... without a disc drive or any games or even a stand apparently, Which is a ludicrous price for a console.
I bought the switch on launch day for ~R7000 and that came with zelda and a carry case.
Sure our economy is hot shit and our government doesn't know what it's doing and is taxing things to high hell, but either way not many people here will be buying that pro at those costs.
Holy shit i see now i preordered the ps4 pro for R7000... We are getting fucked here in SA
That means this this is going to launch at like ~R24000... without a disc drive or any games or even a stand apparently, Which is a ludicrous price for a console.
I bought the switch on launch day for ~R7000 and that came with zelda and a carry case.
Sure our economy is hot shit and our government doesn't know what it's doing and is taxing things to high hell, but either way not many people here will be buying that pro at those costs.
Holy shit i see now i preordered the ps4 pro for R7000... We are getting fucked here in SA
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Physiognomonics
Member
They are so bitter and already find all ways to shit on the 7mn shown. Dictator was already bitter on the purple forum.
The examples shown were perfect actually. It was meant for the CNET guy who actually noticed a big difference on the PS5 Pro versions and made a very positive report.
The examples shown were perfect actually. It was meant for the CNET guy who actually noticed a big difference on the PS5 Pro versions and made a very positive report.
Crispy Gamer
Member
Yeah I'm baffled by the marketing so far there's not even an official spec sheet posted something feels off
hemo memo
Gold Member
An official sheet would’ve made the situation even worse.
Crispy Gamer
Member
But that cnet guy got so much wrong he just wasn't a good messenger if I'm being honest and DF knew what questions to ask if it was their presentation
PeteBull
Gold Member
Thats the problem with the ps5pr0, its not the price, its not its bit ocerclocked zen2 cpu, its not lack of discdrive, its not lack of new AAA exclusives showing of the power of the pr0, its all those things combined together that show pretty terrible value proposition, at least here in europe its looking pretty bad =/
GymWolf
Gold Member
A game that has two modes on PS5, with a Performance one that's proper solid 60fps, is going to ship with a single, 30fps Mode on PS5 Pro?
Crispy Gamer
Member
So you think they'll never post one?
hemo memo
Gold Member
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Orbital2060
Member
Plans made at a point when it looked like a good idea to have Concord, Astro Bot, and then launch the Pro right after that. Best laid plans, but reality threw a wrench in the wheels and Concord failure overshadows everything else, compunded by questions surrounding their GAAS push. Pricing is less important imo, but it matters next to having no or few games to take advantage of the new-bought hardware.
I mean, you can have the best laid plans, and still go to hell.
nowhat
Member
The thing is (and not trying to be a Sony apologist here - for me, PS5 Pro will remain in the shelf until there's a reasonable price drop in the EU, at 800€ without a disc drive and a vertical stand they can fuck right off), that's a Square Enix game. They may provide a Pro patch. They may not. Which makes the value proposition of the Pro even worse.
MisterXDTV
Member
It was just an announcement, this thing doesn't really exist until they open pre-orders in 2 weeks
Let's see what they do during these two weeks
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Moridianae
Member
Yeah, but I'm not sure how much this thing is going to take off. It's a tall ask in this economy; sure, more affluent folks may be more apt to buy it, but I see many enthusiasts wanting to see more.
People are just sitting and wondering how you're going to charge $700 with no drive, no stand and essentially say "Look how nice your PS4 games will be!"
"Oh, fancy a PS5 game improvement? Here's a smattering of games 90% of people already played and arguably run very, very well already on the base system."
It was very poorly marketed so far. Someone made a comment that it felt like they "rushed through and then threw that price in there like a flahsbang in a room"
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It has a 40 FPS RT mode too.
A game that has two modes on PS5, with a Performance one that's proper solid 60fps, is going to ship with a single, 30fps Mode on PS5 Pro?
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Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
That and rebirth are the ones I’m interested in seeing
Physiognomonics
Member
They are constantly saying pisser (instead of PSSR) in the video, even John is. How disrespectful. Do they know this is probably Cerny's baby? And they wonder why Cerny didn't invite them?
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