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[DenchDeckard]

They are constantly saying pisser (instead of PSSR) in the video, even John is. How disrespectful. Do they know this is probably Cerny's baby? And they wonder why Cerny didn't invite them?

PiSSeR is the best thing to come from the PS5 Pro. Let them go in.

 

[Eszti]

And many people argued with me that "zen 2 is fine", it's not. It will limit a lot of games with RT.

For the massive amount of money they are asking for they should use at least fucking 2022 cpu in there (7700?).

True RT can heavily increase Cpu utilisation.

They cant change the cpu in a mid gen upgrade. Cerny would have done it if it would have been possible. A new cpu would make the Ps5 Pro like a complete new generation not just a mid gen upgrade. Which would spit in the face of developers.

so for that we really need to wait on the Ps6.

 

[Bojji]

True RT can heavily increase Cpu utilisation.

They cant change the cpu in a mid gen upgrade. Cerny would have done it if it would have been possible. A new cpu would make the Ps5 Pro like a complete new generation not just a mid gen upgrade. Which would spit in the face of developers.

so for that we really need to wait on the Ps6.

It wouldn't, just 75-100% better CPU with 45% better GPU, same amount of memory.

We already had massive clock bumps for CPU in Xbox one X for example, they added 30% of performance or so, nothing like that here. With Xbox One X they even completely changed RAM system and added 4 more gigabytes and it was still 8th gen.

 

[Physiognomonics]

True RT can heavily increase Cpu utilisation.

They cant change the cpu in a mid gen upgrade. Cerny would have done it if it would have been possible. A new cpu would make the Ps5 Pro like a complete new generation not just a mid gen upgrade. Which would spit in the face of developers.

so for that we really need to wait on the Ps6.

On PC, yes. On consoles things are different and some stuff can be streamed in by a super fast I/O like seen in Insomniac games. Obviously on consoles that's only possible on PS5, you need a powerful CPU on PC to do either things.

 

[Eszti]

On PC, yes. On consoles things are different and some stuff can be streamed in by a super fast I/O like seen in Insomniac games. Obviously on consoles that's only possible on PS5, you need a powerful CPU on PC to do either things.

no one said anythign else should be no secret that pc brutforces while consoles work smart. a console is made for gaming and only gaming of course it has benefits. a pc is allrounder.

 

[Kupfer]

0:00:00 Overview
0:01:20 How is Sony marketing the PS5 Pro?
0:09:43 Big three features: larger GPU, machine learning and ray tracing enhancements
0:25:10 The missing disc drive
0:33:12 $700 USD sticker shock: does it make sense?
0:44:23 What do we want to see out of PS5 Pro?
0:49:43 Supporter Q1: Was Microsoft right to skip an enhanced console this generation?
0:54:06 Supporter Q2: Is GT7’s 8K mode as stupid as it sounds?
0:57:26 Supporter Q3: What PC GPU is the best match for PS5 Pro?
1:00:27 Supporter Q4: Will Sony encourage developers to stick to a single PS5 Pro mode, or have multiple?
1:02:58 Supporter Q5: Why doesn’t the PS5 Pro have a larger CPU upgrade?

TL;DW

Does anyone have a summary?

 

[keefged4]

TL;DW

Does anyone have a summary?

$700

Hogwarts legacy 30fps

 

[Physiognomonics]

TL;DW

Does anyone have a summary?

- Bitter tone (crying inside: "we weren't invited, why?")
- We would have done a much better work than this CNET guy!
- PISSER tech could work maybe as good as DLSS, we'll see
- Very surprised and confused how PISSER tech could be applied on PS4 games. Disbelief here
- Sony only talked about PS5 Pro aim to run the fidelity mode at 60fps but NO we at DF we can see it's not the case and it certainly won't work accross the board, because we are smarter than Cerny. But Cerny is only half lying here.

...

Hogwarts legacy 30fps

It's complete FUD from them here. The feed was 30fps. AFAIK we have no reason to think anything shown was less than 60fps as this was the main point of the machine specs for Sony: Everything using fidelity modes at 60fps.

EDIT: From the IGN feed what they shown of Hogwarts Legacy was indeed 30fps. My bad.

 

[SportsFan581]

In the video, John is absolutely correct. Showing me first party stuff doesn't impress me. First party games have always looked fantastic. Show me the UE5 stuff that suffers so much on PS5.

Not going to blindly hand over $700 if we only get marginal improvements on the games that need it the most.

I'm sure it'll bring the resolution up quite a bit. Those definitely would be the games that would showcase the difference best. I thought the specific examples they focused on, especially the TLoU 2 60fps comparison and R&C, had the opposite effect they were going for. At least in the compressed stream.

 

[Salz01]

The more I watch that channel, the more I find them insufferable.

 

[hinch7]

Actually surprised Sony didn't let them cover the console. Granted DF have/had a slanted bias towards Microsoft and Nvidia products at least a couple of them. Their indepth analysis would've marketed the machine pretty well. At least with the enthusiasts who are interested in the PS5 Pro and its tech.

Good analysis anyways. And a lot of good points. Sony games usually have very good image quality with reconstruction so its baffling to see only first party examples of PSSR. Would've been really cool to see PS5 versions of CP2077 fidelity vs PS5 Pro mode.

 

[Preseznik]

They're looking at it from the point of view of everything that's available - that includes PCs.
And since PS5 Pro is positioned as "Premium", it's very much in competition with the PC.

Framing it like that, it's even more obvious how over priced it is in relation to what it offers. In a world where "Premium" gaming has LONG since moved on from "mere" 60 fps, this ain't it. Not even close.

Now, if we just look at consoles, the product makes more sense, and I suppose there's a niche market for console only gamers that want a Premium product

 

[ResilientBanana]

Look at that, as predicted same CPU higher clock.

 

[Fake]

It's complete FUD from them here. The feed was 30fps. AFAIK we have no reason to think anything shown was less than 60fps as this was the main point of the machine specs for Sony: Everything using fidelity modes at 60fps.

There was no FUD. HL was running at 30 fps no matter the feed. You could easily notice while they are comparing games like TLOUSpart2 and Ratched comparisons between quality and performance.

HL with RT on is already pretty heavy on PC, so no surprises.

 

[BlackTron]

PS5 Pro needs to essentially offer both performance and fidelity mode at the same time to begin the conversation of this asking price.

 

[Physiognomonics]

There was no FUD. HL was running at 30 fps no matter the feed. You could easily notice while they are comparing games like TLOUSpart2 and Ratched comparisons between quality and performance.

HL with RT on is already pretty heavy on PC, so no surprises.

Please show me. I don't understand your point. How do you do that on a 30fps feed?

 

[Bruno_Arrais85]

I liked John's point of view specially regarding the downsides of this external Disc Drive. The other two guys I coudn't care less.

 

[Fake]

Please show me. I don't understand your point. How do you do that on a 30fps feed?

Just look at the comparison between the first party title games on the video dude. Cerny showed 60 fps vs 30 fps, even if the feed is 30 you can easily spot who is running smothly.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Just look at the comparison between the first party title games on the video dude. Cerny showed 60 fps vs 30 fps, even if the feed is 30 you can easily spot who is running smothly.

But how do you do the same with Hogwart as only one framerate was shown?

 

[vkbest]

That and rebirth are the ones I’m interested in seeing

They did, only some seconds, but I remember they showed both games in the video

 

[SkyHighTrees]

MFs is really acting like the shortlist of games they announced are all of the games supported.

Just because this thing is expensive, the narrative around it will be disingenuous and dishonest, focusing on fake informations and stuff that is still unknown. This is the current internet.

 

[Fake]

But how do you do the same with Hogwart as only one framerate was shown?

Not running smoothly?

 

[sachos]

Exactly. Double performance from 30 to 60 fps and dramatically higher image quality than PS5 fidelity mode, all evident from a shit youtube capture (grass, fence, NPC face/detail, armored vehicle, symbiote decal, stone walkway...) What's not to like here?

Yeah but the problem here is that its not exactly matched footage, there is a lot of motion blur going on. Its better to compare the slight moment spiderman is standing still before moving. Same happens with the Ratchet footage, it looks like they disabled motion blur and depth of field for the PS5 Pro footage.

 

[Doczu]

Quoting myself from the (now locked) Pro annoucement thread:

9 minutes for just the tech talk and then games will be presented outside of the presentation. Gates will be opened, NDA's will be lifted.

And DF will get their 59 minute long tech jerk off regarding PS5 Pro with Alex crying in the corner.

I was off by 1 fucking minute!

Brb, gonna check if Alex is crying in the corner.

 

[Salty Pickle]

They're looking at it from the point of view of everything that's available - that includes PCs.
And since PS5 Pro is positioned as "Premium", it's very much in competition with the PC.

Framing it like that, it's even more obvious how over priced it is in relation to what it offers. In a world where "Premium" gaming has LONG since moved on from "mere" 60 fps, this ain't it. Not even close.

Now, if we just look at consoles, the product makes more sense, and I suppose there's a niche market for console only gamers that want a Premium product

But what is the price of ”premium” Gpu and ”premium” CPU?

 

[cormack12]

 

[DenchDeckard]

Wow, America must be completely different to the UK because hardware in the UK net's around 3-5% margin. I'm calling bullshit on this 20%. Retailers have only ever really netted margin from software.

I worked pretty high up in Gamestation for years and then Game/Grainger Games so trust me on this.

 

[Preseznik]

But what is the price of ”premium” Gpu and ”premium” CPU?

That's the fun part, budget PCs are better than this PS5 Pro "premium" offering.

Also, the argument "PS5 Pro isn't for everybody" applies both ways. You want Premium? You either admit this thing isn't that, or that PCs are more premium.
There's really no win for PS5 Pro in this argument.

 

[Snake29]

Well, they’re on below mood right now:

We’ll have to wait and see.

The big 3!

 

[Pedro Motta]

The problem with DF is their constant mocking tone, it doesn't sit well with brands. They clearly don't run their business as well as they should.

If I did the same with my clients, I wouldn't have the money to buy a PS5 Pro day one.

Pissers.

EDIT: Typo

 

[Salty Pickle]

That's the fun part, budget PCs are better than this PS5 Pro "premium" offering.

Also, the argument "PS5 Pro isn't for everybody" applies both ways. You want Premium? You either admit this thing isn't that, or that PCs are more premium.
There's really no win for PS5 Pro in this argument.

We’ll see when Rdna4 prices are released. How much is a 4070 btw? Of course you have to add storage, memory, mb and cpu on top of that.