adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
A whole new world
A dazzling place I never knew
But now from way up here
It's crystal clear'
Pretty cool, right?
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
PS5 Pro shimmering/aliasing issues seems to be system related not PSSR. Have evidence.
- Thread starter Kangx
- Start date
A whole new world
A dazzling place I never knew
But now from way up here
It's crystal clear'
Pretty cool, right?
Another Kang from a different multiverse? I see a bit of purple/pink in the avatar.Just received this PM, lol.
Bojji
Member
That is extremely noticeable, this is indeed a 100% case of issues on Pro.
Hard to say it's system related, but it's yet another CoD game. Should be relevant.
K Kangx
Bet seeing X folks circlejerking on a couple of games having issues on this machine somehow wasn't on your Bingo card.
Just received this PM, lol.
You guys should be butthurt about those issues (Sony/MS fault) and not me pointing them out. Lol.
Vick
Gold Member
This dithered effect is indeed a CoD issue despite what some trolls would want to believe, but have you seen the Black Ops 6 video in the previous page?CoD Vanguard (Series X)
Like I said, CoD issue.
Those white sparkles are only present on Pro.
I wouldn't say it's system related, could be a case of the previous temporal/AA solution handling/covering the effect better than what's used on Pro. But still, there is a difference.
Honestly really not that bothered although would be nice if it could just look like it did on the standard PS5. It's pretty much isolated to cod and really think it will be fixed but rather than everyone complain here it might be better if everyone could make the devs aware so that it might get fixed in the next patch. I remember all the weird issues when the PS5 released, but they got fixed in time.
Last edited:
Mr Moose
Member
Yeah just watched it, not sure what that white shit is, hopefully fixed soon.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol I’ve played 7 ps5 pro games so far and no shimmering in fidelity modes whatsoever.
The shimmering is related to low pixel counts of pssr performance modes. And maybe because pssr hasn’t been trained properly on rt games. Sony first party didn’t exactly go all in on rt aside from insomniac who only used it for reflections and now that’s come back to bite them in the ass. Wouldn’t be surprised if pssr was trained exclusively on Sony first party games.
The shimmering is related to low pixel counts of pssr performance modes. And maybe because pssr hasn’t been trained properly on rt games. Sony first party didn’t exactly go all in on rt aside from insomniac who only used it for reflections and now that’s come back to bite them in the ass. Wouldn’t be surprised if pssr was trained exclusively on Sony first party games.
Last edited:
Vick
Gold Member
lol
That's a shade of red actually, and it's by me because I initially covered the username in red, but didn't like how the picture looked as a whole with those red squares so turned them "GAF grey" but failed to fully cover that square.
Last CoD I've bought is Modern Warfare 3 in 2011, on PC..
Couldn't personally give a damn about these games having issues as I don't play them, so not many reasons for me to be invested in this when I'm having a blast playing what I was interested in, Capcom games and Resident Evil in particular, and first party games, looking and running better than ever.
Well TLOU II aside from the FP side of things, as the latest patch destroyed the shadows filtering.
Yep, Part II shadows are completely broken. But this has been know for a month thanks to Oliver from DF and ND apparently doesn't give a damn.
Certainly isn't system related though, which is what this Thread is about.
I see
Klosshufvud
entered this thread with the "passive aggressive laugh emojis" he was complaining about in the other thread. Aww diddums.
Klosshufvud
entered this thread with the "passive aggressive laugh emojis" he was complaining about in the other thread. Aww diddums.As soon as I fired up the pro I suspected they have some sort of always on sharpening filter one way or another, and I’ve noticed more aliasing in games with zero RT effects or PSSR. Strange when the PS5Pro is demonstrably at higher DRS ranges.
Last edited:
Bad specular noise implementations in games aren't limited to RT games. It's any PBR game where the dev does a poor job of removing aliasing.
Antony1992
Member
Easy solution. Stop buying PS5 Pro. That looks really bad.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Couldn’t be happier with mine, but yeah, sucks for those stuck with third-party titles where minimal effort has been applied. I only play Sony exclusives on it and they look and run great.
tommib
Banned
I wouldn't bother with Pro modes if you have a VRR 120hz tv for this game. I was playing Part II yesterday on Fidelity unlocked and I'm sure it's performing at least at 60 fps most of the time. These weird PSSR Pro modes are putting me off after videos like this one. Give me native 4K when possible. It does look great in Demon's Souls and Stellar Blade but highly skeptical on anything else at this point.
Na there is something flaky going on here in terms of the comparison with MW3. It's not been sharpened. If anything there is object motion blur on the PS5 Pro that is missing entirely in the regular PS5 video in the OP.
PS5 Pro:
PS5 Regular:
PS5 Regular from a different 4k source video:
If I had to guess I imagine that the PS5 regular capture in the middle was from the 120hz mode hence why it looks temporaly more stable but missing motion blur (that you can enable on Pro too). Don't listen to the bullshit the regular haters are trying to pedal here.
Last edited:
Good to know thanksNa there is something flaky going on here in terms of the comparison with MW3. It's not been sharpened. If anything there is object motion blur on the PS5 Pro that is missing entirely in the regular PS5 video in the OP.
PS5 Pro:
PS5 Regular:
PS5 Regular from a different 4k source video:
If I had to guess I imagine that the PS5 regular capture in the middle was from the 120hz mode hence why it looks temporaly more stable but missing motion blur (that you can enable on Pro too). Don't listen to the bullshit the regular haters are trying to pedal here.
Mr Moose
Member
Might've had it turned off. I turned motion blur/DoF and shit off in MW/BO6.Na there is something flaky going on here in terms of the comparison with MW3. It's not been sharpened. If anything there is object motion blur on the PS5 Pro that is missing entirely in the regular PS5 video in the OP.
PS5 Pro:
PS5 Regular:
PS5 Regular from a different 4k source video:
If I had to guess I imagine that the PS5 regular capture in the middle was from the 120hz mode hence why it looks temporaly more stable but missing motion blur (that you can enable on Pro too). Don't listen to the bullshit the regular haters are trying to pedal here.
Yeah they really need to match settings and image position before any comparison can be drawn. Especially seeing how the PS5 regular has the same specular noise with what looks like the same settings in the other video source I posted.
Vick
Gold Member
Oh look, another high-end PC user satisfied with the console.
Must be so hard to digest for certain people who decided to spend 90% of their free time scrambling all over the place to make the machine look bad, somehow totally uncaring of how they appear to the eyes of many by doing so.
Well TLOU II aside, as those Santa Barbara shadows are nasty, distracting, and worse than they were on PS4.
I know you likely played most Capcom games on PC, but given you own the machine I would fully take advantage of the fact some of their games like DMC5 and DRDR have exclusive RT on Pro those lazy asses at Capcom haven't ported on PC. DMC5 looks great and runs finally stable with RT enabled.
And I've played the Dead Rising Demo and RT reflections are literally all over the place, they went absolutely nuts with them. Not only the first transparency ones seen in RE Engine games, they have also upgraded how their opaque ones look. Here
rofif
posted some examples:And Dead Rising is surprising because ray tracing reflections are everywhere! It's not just few mirrors.
It's on most doors, vending machines, walls, even coarse surfaces but then it just looks like grain. I got some examples. Lowest fps I've noticed so far was 53 in paradise plaza with certain camera angle.
I've not played it on pc, so someone gotta confirm if these reflections are there. Even in glasses and camera lens.
Funny how the thumbnail shows the only reflections already present in every version of the game, looking much worse than the RT ones. Just be aware of the censoring and some questionable choices in DR in case you want to support them.
I'm on my third RE4R run in a row right now and I'm having a blast with this thing.
Unfortunately all the effects I have enabled like DoF, CA, Lens Distortion and Motion Blur impacted all the screenshots I took a bit too much, but game looks waaay too raw for my taste without them. I mean:
Spent way more time on third party games so far, but you're 100% correct about some of them. It's the reality of Consoles, you're stuck with what they give you, whereas on PC you have almost endless possibilities when it comes to fixing and improving things with your own hands.
This has nothing to do with PSSR unfortunately buddy, it's on ND. You'll see shadows looking worse than they did on PS4 in Fidelity Mode as well.
It's actually the opposite for ND games, Fidelity Modes now look much worse than PSSR ones as they are full of artifacts (look at hair) in their raw nature they let PSSR to solve (and it does). PSSR Mode looks absolutely insane in TLOU:
Max grain is enabled on all of these screenshots unfortunately as it does impact the image a little, but click on them and zoom to see full size level of detail, here an example:
1:1
1:1
Whereas it's an oversharpened mess in Fidelity, with broken hair for every character and other stuff only solved by using Pro Mode.
I legit feel sorry for some of them.. like that testicles sucking guy who I know being a huge fan of some of the games I'm having a blast playing maxed out at 4K/60fps that he would enjoy the shit out of on this machine. Doesn't matter how tasty those balls are, I know for a fact it's not worth it.
Last edited:
Lokaum D+
Member
Everyone knows that PS5 pro make graphics more real them reality, If something is laughable is the smoke effects of real life.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Oh look, another high-end PC user satisfied with the console.
Must be so hard to digest for certain people who decided to spend 90% of their free time scrambling all over the place to make the machine look bad, somehow totally uncaring of how they appear to the eyes of many by doing so.
Well TLOU II aside, as those Santa Barbara shadows are nasty, distracting, and worse than they were on PS4.
I know you likely played most Capcom games on PC, but given you own the machine I would fully take advantage of the fact some of their games like DMC5 and DRDR have exclusive RT on Pro those lazy asses at Capcom haven't ported on PC. DMC5 looks great and runs finally stable with RT enabled.
And I've played the Dead Rising Demo and RT reflections are literally all over the place, they went absolutely nuts with them. Not only the first transparency ones seen in RE Engine games, they have also upgraded how their opaque ones look. Here
Funny how the thumbnail shows the only reflections already present in every version of the game, looking much worse than the RT ones. Just be aware of the censoring and some questionable choices in DR in case you want to support them.
I'm on my third RE4R run in a row right now and I'm having a blast with this thing.
Unfortunately all the effects I have enabled like DoF, CA, Lens Distortion and Motion Blur impacted all the screenshots I took a bit too much, but game looks waaay too raw for my taste without them. I mean:
Spent way more time on third party games so far, but you're 100% correct about some of them. It's the reality of Consoles, you're stuck with what they give you, whereas on PC you have almost endless possibilities when it comes to fixing and improving things with your own hands.
This has nothing to do with PSSR unfortunately buddy, it's on ND. You'll see shadows looking worse than they did on PS4 in Fidelity Mode as well.
It's actually the opposite for ND games, Fidelity Modes now look much worse than PSSR ones as they are full of artifacts (look at hair) in their raw nature they let PSSR to solve (and it does). PSSR Mode looks absolutely insane in TLOU:
Max grain is enabled on all of these screenshots unfortunately as it does impact the image a little, but click on them and zoom to see full size level of detail, here an example:
1:1
1:1
Whereas it's an oversharpened mess in Fidelity, with broken hair for every character and other stuff only solved by using Pro Mode.
I legit feel sorry for some of them.. like that testicles sucking guy who I know being a huge fan of some of the games I'm having a blast playing maxed out at 4K/60fps that he would enjoy the shit out of on this machine. Doesn't matter how tasty those balls are, I know for a fact it's not worth it.
Dead Rising really runs and looks nice. Maybe gets worse on later days with more zombies.
Yeah bummer about censorship but despite it, I got the game and honestly, forgot all about the censored stuff, it's so fun.
I still need to finish re4 remake first. having some tough times with aiming but I lowered the sensitivity and it's a bit better now.
TLOU1 also in que to be replayed. So much great looking and good games
edit: btw few more dead rising shots:
Last edited:
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Jesus fucking Christ, the green rats are having a mental breakdownso much concern..
Self_Destructive
Member
POSSR needs work lmao.
TehGoomba7s
Member
Booted up Nuketown with 120hz off. No shimmering or white dots of doom.
NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
Yeah only shows up on the 60hz mode
TehGoomba7s
Member
I know I've tried it with 60hz as said above. Nothing.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
XXL
Member
It's really bad. Just get a Series S.
PSYGN
Member
That tree looks too big to be swaying like that by the wind.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
You should go check out The Witcher 3, trees in that game seem to be about to take off at any moment.
XXL
Member
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
XXL
Member
The combat is a similar situation to the trees.
Vick
Gold Member
I believe this kind of high quality post only qualifies its poster.. This Thread has nothing to do with PSSR.
Native 4K DLAA:
4K DLSSQ (1440p internal):
PSSR (1440p internal):
1:1 PSSR
1:1 PSSR
Look at Joel hair, and check aliasing covering.. DLSS appeared in Ratchet to be more temporally stable, and yet for the time being PSSR has actually shown more than one advantage over DLSS, like better aliasing handling:
Less breakups on vegetation:
Here a DLAA shot showing the missing branches with DLSS are supposed to be there.
And while the fur shots below are not direct comparisons with DLSS, it's currently impossible on PC to get rid of this kind of dithered fur edges PSSR is resolving.
Calling such a first iteration of an AI upscaling algorithm "Piece of shit" really says alot.. especially in a Thread that has nothing to do with it in the first place.
However, having just watched the Alan Wake 2 DF Thread, it does still have to work quite a bit on stability, and in that game it appears quite behind DLSS at equal internal resolution.
They toned it down alot in their current gen version. Shame imo, it's more realistic but I didn't mind at all the more surreal atmosphere.
Last edited:
Jibran#one
Member
We have come a long way
From zooming in 4x to see the differences to legit softer looking games on 1000 euro pro console
From zooming in 4x to see the differences to legit softer looking games on 1000 euro pro console
I think this happen in the other modes too
awwr999999
Member
PlayStation is a gaming PC with too many settings to qualify as a game console and too few settings to allow users to fix broken games.
ap_puff
Banned
FR. the issues exist, the way to get them fixed is to point them out and be loud about it.
Killer8
Member
The only game i'm desperate to see fixed is Silent Hill 2 and I suspect the problem with that game is borked built-in Pro support. There were references to PSSR in the config files on PC so the game code was aware of the console. Wouldn't be surprised if they intended it to just work™ when the system launched and it backfired.
The game has borked effects in general even on the base machine and PC, so I’m not surprised pits having issues at the moment. I wonder if we’re getting a pro patch.
Self_Destructive
Member
I believe this kind of high quality post only qualifies its poster.. This Thread has nothing to do with PSSR.
And while the fur shots below are not direct comparisons with DLSS, it's currently impossible on PC to get rid of this kind of dithered fur edges PSSR is resolving.
You don't know that it doesn't have anything to do with PSSR.
And sure, it's possible to get rid of the dithered fur that PSSR is blurring.. while at the same time looking better and more refined..
I added the image to your gif.. quality took a hit and isn't the best, but it's obvious which one does a better job with fine hair detail.
Similar threads
- Locked