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[SScorpio]

Cry more about it. A very small subset of the people who emulate actually own the games. There's nothing wrong with the concept of emulation. The reality of it is that most people who "emulate" pirate.

Only on forums do we see the class of delusionists who refuse to acknowledge reality. Which is piracy is synonymous with emulation.

I'm sure it's fine when Nintendo provides you their shitty emulators when you keep your subscription active rather than letting you own retro games like you could on older Nintendo systems? What happens those systems die on you, what if you want a good experience or other features? Are you still a terrible pirate even if you've bought a digital license in the past. What if you have the cartridge sitting next you?

 

[Bojji]

Cry more about it. A very small subset of the people who emulate actually own the games. There's nothing wrong with the concept of emulation. The reality of it is that most people who "emulate" pirate.

Only on forums do we see the class of delusionists who refuse to acknowledge reality. Which is piracy is synonymous with emulation.

People talking about emulation in emulator thread and then one of the retards comes and shouts "piracy, piracy, piracy!". Why the fuck do that? This topic was about emulators, other os and fixes for games that never got PS5 patches (or even PS4 Pro) - no one fucking said "yes, we can pirate games now!".

 

[ShirAhava]

What the fuck are people going on about? I came here to see the latest on the ROM keys and I see a bunch of pointless prattling about spec differences between pieces of hardware.

Its CDS

Console Derangement Syndrome

 

[MALpractice311]

People still say pwned?

Sometimes you're owned so hard and so bad, you're pwned.

 

[coinhook]

Sony did not shut down PSN, so they shrug it off

 

[ReBurn]

Reminds me, I still need to jailbreak my PS4 Pro.

Mine is still on 9.0.0 and put away in case I ever want to jailbreak it. I haven't really felt much of a need to.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

You have over 5GB more for gaming and higher memory bandwidth on both the PS5 and PS5 pro. So games would run better than on the steam machine

You're not accounting for emulation overhead or the PS5/Pro CPU being less performant than the one in Steam Machine. And also the CPU lacking features that Zen 4 has, since it's a Zen 2 architecture.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

What the fuck are people going on about? I came here to see the latest on the ROM keys and I see a bunch of pointless prattling about spec differences between pieces of hardware.

The thread is only 6 pages long if you go back and read it. Im sure you can figure it out.

 

[Casisalive]

Mine is still on 9.0.0 and put away in case I ever want to jailbreak it. I haven't really felt much of a need to.

I'm in the same boat, mines on 8.50 I think, I want to jailbreak it but I cant really be bothered. I do need to find my jailbroken PS3 though.

 

[Omega.X]

Once people realize how big some PS5 games are I think it will curb piracy to a degree. Returnal is pushing 200GB for example. It's going to take the average person an entire day to download/extract/transfer this to their system and those in third world countries will struggle to even get the download done.

 

[Bojji]

Once people realize how big some PS5 games are I think it will curb piracy to a degree. Returnal is pushing 200GB for example. It's going to take the average person an entire day to download/extract/transfer this to their system and those in third world countries will struggle to even get the download done.

Returnal is 50GB+ (but not even close to 100GB), most PS5 games will be around that size.

PC games are often 100+GB and I doubt this aspect do much to stops piracy... more and more people have fiber connection even in third world countries.

And if you buy legal digital games you have to download this data anyway (so whole day in some parts of the world).

 

[rodrigolfp]

PC chads you'll need a Ferrari priced PC to emulate PS5 and win

Not really as it would be more a translation layer like the PS4 emulator that even potato PCs like the Steam Deck can emulate easily.

 

[SnapShot]

I don't know what any of this means but maybe it's good for a potential emulator?

 

[grvg]

What does this mean? Bloodborne has to be confirmed for PC now?

At this rate, it means Demons Souls remake is confirmed for PC. Unofficially.

 

[Fabieter]

People talking about emulation in emulator thread and then one of the retards comes and shouts "piracy, piracy, piracy!". Why the fuck do that? This topic was about emulators, other os and fixes for games that never got PS5 patches (or even PS4 Pro) - no one fucking said "yes, we can pirate games now!".

I would argue that people saying

"early 20s and short on cash, this kind of news was a godsend, but now I have more games than I can ever play."

Are implying piracy to some extent.

 

[grvg]

You got an irl, sincere lol out of me, thanks

 

[MMaRsu]

Sometimes you're owned so hard and so bad, you're pwned.

Yeah and we do a little slap ass hand gesture while we do a ride the horsey gesture with the body

 

[FalconPunch]

I'm sure it's fine when Nintendo provides you their shitty emulators when you keep your subscription active rather than letting you own retro games like you could on older Nintendo systems? What happens those systems die on you, what if you want a good experience or other features? Are you still a terrible pirate even if you've bought a digital license in the past. What if you have the cartridge sitting next you?

If your car dies and you have spare tires, are you entitled to drive? Nope you have to fix your car, then drive just as you have to fix your console, then play. When you purchased the console, you purchased it to play the games on those consoles. It was sold specifically for use on the console that was designed to play it. Only in software do people have this foolish sense of entitlement.

Never once have I advocated against emulation or piracy. All I'm advocating against is telling lies. We all know 99% of people are doing it to steal games. If you want to do that, feel free to and I don't chastise you or anyone for it. What I call out is people who lie.

If you want to, be proud of it and say it with your full chest. Just don't pretend that it's for any reason other than that..... The only ones who get a pass on using the excuse of game preservation are those who actually work on the scene to develop the emulators and those who actually work to dump the isos for preservation purposes. Everyone else is just leeching/benefitting for piracy purposes and trying to hide under a false cloak of "preservation, mods, etc".

 

[Fabieter]

Never once have I advocated against emulation or piracy. All I'm advocating against is telling lies. We all know 99% of people are doing it to steal games. If you want to do that, feel free to and I don't chastise you or anyone for it. What I call out is people who lie.

The problem is to blame the emulator which is legal as long as you rip your own bios and games. Everyone know its used for piracy but its hard to say to what extent.

 

[FalconPunch]

The problem is to blame the emulator which is legal as long as you rip your own bios and games. Everyone know its used for piracy but its hard to say to what extent.

It's actually very easy to say to what extent. We can track the number of times roms/isos are downloaded. We can track the impact on the sales of software. We've seen it's effect on the psp, 3ds, switch, etc.

It's one thing for an emulator to come out after a console's active lifecycle. It's another to come out during it's active lifecycle. If I made a product and I don't get compensated due to clowns putting it out for free on the internet, I'd be pissed.

If it happened after I was no longer selling the product, i wouldn't care. That's the primary difference. Again a majority of those claiming "modding, game preservation, etc" are just lying and no one truly believes that nonsense.

 

[Sethbacca]

We don't know if it's been internally delayed, though.

Right, but at this point its got to figure in the decision making process.. I guess that was my only real point/question.

 

[grvg]

Ah, how quickly hardware vulnerability conversations degenerate.

 

[willothedog]

If your car dies and you have spare tires, are you entitled to drive? Nope you have to fix your car, then drive just as you have to fix your console, then play. When you purchased the console, you purchased it to play the games on those consoles. It was sold specifically for use on the console that was designed to play it. Only in software do people have this foolish sense of entitlement.

Never once have I advocated against emulation or piracy. All I'm advocating against is telling lies. We all know 99% of people are doing it to steal games. If you want to do that, feel free to and I don't chastise you or anyone for it. What I call out is people who lie.

If you want to, be proud of it and say it with your full chest. Just don't pretend that it's for any reason other than that..... The only ones who get a pass on using the excuse of game preservation are those who actually work on the scene to develop the emulators and those who actually work to dump the isos for preservation purposes. Everyone else is just leeching/benefitting for piracy purposes and trying to hide under a false cloak of "preservation, mods, etc".

If you are against people telling lies why use 99% as that number is clearly made up, a lie. Another porky is that it's not stealing, but copyright infringement.

 

[SScorpio]

If you are against people telling lies why use 99% as that number is clearly made up, a lie. Another porky is that it's not stealing, but copyright infringement.

 

[Bojji]

It's actually very easy to say to what extent. We can track the number of times roms/isos are downloaded. We can track the impact on the sales of software. We've seen it's effect on the psp, 3ds, switch, etc.

It's one thing for an emulator to come out after a console's active lifecycle. It's another to come out during it's active lifecycle. If I made a product and I don't get compensated due to clowns putting it out for free on the internet, I'd be pissed.

If it happened after I was no longer selling the product, i wouldn't care. That's the primary difference. Again a majority of those claiming "modding, game preservation, etc" are just lying and no one truly believes that nonsense.

Game preservation is actually a very good argument. Many games would have been completely lost without it, just some amount of physical copies in hands of collectors that may or may not work after XX years.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

So is it ok to bust in to a Gamestop and take their hard copies, or five-finger-discount at Wal Mart? Does being physical make a difference?

 

[FalconPunch]

Game preservation is actually a very good argument. Many games would have been completely lost without it, just some amount of physical copies in hands of collectors that may or may not work after XX years.

It's a great argument for those actually doing the work of preserving games. It's not a great argument for those just downloading games they never purchased.

If you are against people telling lies why use 99% as that number is clearly made up, a lie.

It's a rough approximation based on the available data on roms downloaded. When we compare those who emulate games they already purchased and ripped themselves vs games that were not purchased by the person emulating. The number is realistically as close to 100% as you can get without actually going into multiple decimal places.

The amount of people who emulate games they own and have manually ripped themselves is statistically insignificant. Those are the people for example who go through the process of getting a specific bluray drive, decrypting the data, etc.

There are whole continents thriving off piracy and emulation as an affordable way for impoverished nations to have access to games. I've been to several places in Africa and south america where I could buy ps2 games on home made dvds and they sell bucket loads of them. The original creators don't get compensated and I don't care. For those markets, they're often a gen behind or two on hardware, and would never even be able to compensate adequately.

The difference is people in those nations don't lie about game preservation or modding as a reason for emulating. They just tell the truth, they just can't afford to purchase it legally so they just get their hands on it through other means and they don't care. They don't go around lying like some in this thread.

Another porky is that it's not stealing, but copyright infringement.

It is 100% stealing. You took something which you did not pay and did not belong to you. The action is by definition theft.

 

[DeepEnigma]

This is also the key that Sony uses to verify the authenticity of the installed OS at boot time. It has to be the same on every console, otherwise Sony would have to create a custom OS build for every individual console.

Hypothetically since it needs to check into a server for verification, could Sony or others make custom keys or batches and keep them all stored in a check-in database like OS keys on the PC?

 

[ReyBrujo]

This topic was about emulators

Technically "this" topic was about breaking the PS5 security (which eventually lead to different branches including emulation and piracy).

Once people realize how big some PS5 games are I think it will curb piracy to a degree. Returnal is pushing 200GB for example. It's going to take the average person an entire day to download/extract/transfer this to their system and those in third world countries will struggle to even get the download done.

It depends on "which" piracy we are talking about. In Third World countries piracy is all about being able to play a copy of the game in your original console. So if someone can download and burn the game into a bluray and have it read by the console, then it would not deter piracy because you either do it yourself (download, burn, delete ISO) or buy a copy for a fraction of the price. If we are talking about emulating downloaded games I guess they will be able to extract and repack the textures so that you can choose whether to download the full 200GB game or just a completely playable one that weights maybe 30GB (which would fit one of the excuses pirates use, "I don't want to pay upfront so I pirate it, check if it's good and if so I buy the original").