Mibu no ookami
Banned
What does it say right there...?
Sell-in.
Same data as the picture above.
Sell-through.
Latest reported sell-through units (113.5M as of 9/30/2020).
I stand corrected I was looking at sell-through, you're correct.
Very strong results, they have beaten their own forecast 18.5m vs 18m which I thought was really ambitious to reach without price cuts and a 700$/800€ Pro.
Their profitability is also through the roof, PS5 is generating far more profits than PS4 thanks to subscriptions and gaas stuff.
The 15m forecast for the next FY is also pretty good considering they said they factored the GTA6 delay in it and price cuts are really unlikely due to tariffs (there could be price hikes in the US).
Their profitability is also through the roof, PS5 is generating far more profits than PS4 thanks to subscriptions and gaas stuff.
The 15m forecast for the next FY is also pretty good considering they said they factored the GTA6 delay in it and price cuts are really unlikely due to tariffs (there could be price hikes in the US).
jm89
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Give it a rest
I remember you didn't think they would reach the 18 million forecast.
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LordOcidax
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The Q3 blowed away everyones expectations. This was in line.Give it a rest
I remember you didn't think they would reach the 18 million forecast.
TheRedRiders
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We're screwed, if they can sell this much knowing that they've been offering mediocrity the entire gen then we're going to be in for a hell of ride come PS6 generation.
Tiago Rodrigues
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Mr Moose
Member
Give it a rest
I remember you didn't think they would reach the 18 million forecast.
This FY 15 - 16 Million, Q4 is going to be really bad for everybody. Initial next year Forecast 15 Million, and is going to end up with 11-12 Million sales, the forecast is going to be revised down to 13...How many PS5s do you think Sony sells this fiscal year against their forecast of 18 million? How many do you think they'll forecast for next fiscal year? How many do you think they'll sell against that forecast? How many units do you think it'll sell lifetime?
Your answers to all of these questions will be extremely telling.
LordOcidax same questions to you as well.
15-16M on lock!
Unknown?
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Switch benefited from being able to remaster Wii U games to pad it out but they had quite a few dry spells even with regurgitating those games. Their highest selling game is just a Wii U game too. Now they don't have the luxury of remastering old games no one played AND games will take longer to make.
They learned from Nintendo.
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tTHANOSs
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Still lots of people playing on home consoles. If you want one PS5 seems to be the main option. After Xbox one generation no reason for the casual gamer to get an Xbox. Playstation is also more of a household name.
Steve Holt
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Isn't one console gimping this generation of consoles enough? And the Series S price is going up not down.
yogaflame
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Sony PS fans really are loyal and very patient, as in very, very patient with Sony ( well including me) despite of there many blunders in this Ps5 era with that push for live service and gaas, twisted dei and woke infestation, and a few single player 1st and 2nd party exclusives and Japan studio is gone. Sony fans always remains hopeful. Hopefully with DS2 coming up and other big games like Lost Souls, GOY, Phantom blade zero, Wolverine and Saros, and maybe even a possibility of Stellar blade expansion, everything will be great again on Sony's 1st and 2nd party exclusives moving forward before Ps6 possibly launching around Christmas of 2028 or summer of 2029.
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TKOFromTokyo
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The results are very good. I'm really impressed with the increased profitability and working capital improvements. They've managed to reduce AR and inventory while having higher sales.
It looks like increase profitability in gaming is being led by network services (PS+ I assume). I'd be curious to see how much of that is driven by price increases vs higher volume.
Overall, I think Sony has to be very happy where they are. Gaming is really doing well for them. I expect that to grow once they start releasing some of the bigger 1st party content.
On a side note, I find the TV results really sobering. Sales are down about 5% when you take out the FX benefit and are forecasted to be down another 5% next year. I prefer to buy Sony TVs, hope they continue to make premium TVs for a long time. It's been disappointing to see what happened to Panasonic here in the US.
It looks like increase profitability in gaming is being led by network services (PS+ I assume). I'd be curious to see how much of that is driven by price increases vs higher volume.
Overall, I think Sony has to be very happy where they are. Gaming is really doing well for them. I expect that to grow once they start releasing some of the bigger 1st party content.
On a side note, I find the TV results really sobering. Sales are down about 5% when you take out the FX benefit and are forecasted to be down another 5% next year. I prefer to buy Sony TVs, hope they continue to make premium TVs for a long time. It's been disappointing to see what happened to Panasonic here in the US.
MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
This can't be stated enough. Xbox has effectively nuked their console market at this point, so people still on the One are just moving to PS5. This is a key reason why the platform is doing so well given the lack of exclusives.
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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Would be funny if it's to kill the current consoles and start nextbox oem edition.
Money printer gonna go brrr when gta 6 launches.
This might be a beyond3d question but what could msft do with a breakeven or sold at profit hybrid at 1000 usd ? In terms of specs vs console ( competitors w wattage limits to tech).
Baemono
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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So much profit it's time for layoffs, at least that's the MS logic. We'll see.
ShaiKhulud1989
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PS5 is the most sophisticated hardware gaming-oriented platform on the market right now and the best way to play console games on a 4K TV set. We can argue about internal output (quite strong IMO), but this generation of hardware from Sony is exceptional. No serious HW issues, great 2 SKU policy with purchasable drive, great power-to-price ratio, industry standarts used all around from ports to SSD bay and trully innovative controller to boot.
Like it or not, if you're not a PC gamer willing to spend a lot of your time and money, PS5 and PS5 Pro is the best place to play games. Almost any games you want.
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Bojji
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I know why she is popular. Do you think she makes some great music that is worth all that money she makes?
In this analogy, Taylor Swift would be Nintendo.
nial
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What if I did? Would my opinion be worth less than yours or anyone else's?
For the record, I think she's just fine, and I also totally see how her music could reasonate with a lot of people, even if that doesn't include me.
Plies
GAF's Nicest Lunch Thief and Nosiest Dildo Archeologist
We should.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
With lots of price cuts to boot. (PS4)
S0ULZB0URNE
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Sweet!
S0ULZB0URNE
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RetroGamingUK
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I'd assume they have a technical leap planned for the series
Bojji
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She makes popular music but not quality music, same is true for many big game franchises. Quality =/= sales is true for gaming, music, movies etc.
Trash like pokemon, Fortnite, Minecraft etc. Generates millions of dollars.
nial
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Fortnite and Minecraft are most definitely quality games, what are we doing here?
Taylor Swift has several critically acclaimed albums on her resume, we need some good receipts to claim that she doesn't make quality music on an objective point of view.
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Bojji
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If you think so.
Mr Moose
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nial
Member
You could get a PS4 for $200 in holiday 2017.
PS4 Black Friday 2017 Game Deals: All The PlayStation 4 Games, Consoles, And Accessories On Sale
We've put together a list of all the best Black Friday 2017 deals for PS4, including those from Best Buy, Walmart, and Target, featuring games like Call of Duty: WWII, Grand Theft Auto V, Assassin's Creed Origins, and many more.
www.gamespot.com
Just like a big majority of the gaming population!
BTW, see the edit of my post (and post #278).
nial
Member
Every single generation in contemporary history has the shame of popularizing silly dance crazes.
FrankWza
Member
Plus advanced audio, a handheld and VR. We still have people crying about psvita memory cards but the PS5 has open usb ports that allow for legacy amps and headsets to be used as well. It's a well balanced ecosystem.
Bojji
Member
You could get a PS4 for $200 in holiday 2017.
PS4 Black Friday 2017 Game Deals: All The PlayStation 4 Games, Consoles, And Accessories On Sale
We've put together a list of all the best Black Friday 2017 deals for PS4, including those from Best Buy, Walmart, and Target, featuring games like Call of Duty: WWII, Grand Theft Auto V, Assassin's Creed Origins, and many more.
Just like a big majority of the gaming population!
BTW, see the edit of my post (and post #278).
I won't discuss opinions here. But you have QUALITY game like Elden Ring and then you have quality game like Minecraft.
Fortnite generating billions is the reason why Sony fucked up many studios with gaas projects. Elden Ring selling well has potential to improve gaming quality for everyone.
nial
Member
These games are so different from each other that doing these comparisons is so utterly pointless, and bringing up external factors out of their control is not an argument.
Also, let's be quite honest, Sony's GAAS initiative was mostly from new or MP dedicated studios and people still loathed the idea.
FrankWza
Member
The only issue with gaas should be with taking established studios that make great single player games and wasting their time and resources. Rolling the dice on gaas is necessary because hitting on one or two brings in massive dollars. You don't have to like it to appreciate it's value. Same for me with the Horizon franchise. I don't love it but it sells. That money coming in helps the brand. Just don't spread the other areas too thin and I'm good.
Unknown Soldier
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MacReady13
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Pretty much spot on. I haven't been a fan of Sony's (pithy) 1st party output for quite some time but you cannot deny the quality of the console itself and the way they have marketed this thing. To sell as well as it has during the covid period where you could not find a console in store for around 2 years is a phenomenal effort.
demigod
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She has small titties now, nobody gives a fuck about her.
MacReady13
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Wait wait wait... What the FUCK are you talking about? I think we need some pics to verify this claim.
Astray
Member
Dude is literally in every PS thread screaming and shouting. Really weird because for everything else he comes across as a reasonable poster.
It's just the sight of Totoki that brings out the PTSD I guess.
Shaki12345
Banned
How much will it sell in the end?
I would be surprised if it hits 110.
I would be surprised if it hits 110.
bitbydeath
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PS4 sold 117M and it's on track to overtake its trajectory in the next year or so.
130M wouldn't be surprising at this point.
awwr999999
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The market is much smaller because it's saturated with all of the best EOL consoles from PlayStation and Nintendo.
EOL game consoles float around keeping people busy and taking would-be users out of modern console ecosystems.
I.e., Someone born in 2000 that's never had a PS2 learns about GTA from a GTA6 ad.
ALL of the PlayStation consoles being "new" to them means that they can get a used PS2 for $100 with all 3 GTAs and put off buying a PS5 for years.
Lots of PS2s are still being used regularly along with all of the PS3s, SNESs, N64s, GCs, Wiis, and all of the GameBoy variants.
Games for these consoles are either free or less expensive than new games which are often remakes/remasters.
Silent Hill 2 remake for PS4/5 was ~$70 while the PS2 game is free for download on archive.org.
Switch sells expensive 'new' games that are just remakes of games that can be obtained online for free and used on old consoles or emulated on consoles or PC.