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[Knitted Knight]

Welcome to the PS5's DualSense™ Controller |OT| A Next-Gen Revolution

Official Website: Click Me
Pricing and Availability:

• $69.99/€69.99/£59.99.
• October 30, 2020

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Features and Technical Specs:
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TouchPad:

• 2 Point Touch Pad
• Capacitive Type
• Click Mechanism

Six-axis motion sensing system:

• Three-axis gyroscope
• Three axis accelerometer.
  - for gyro aiming, motion and the like.
  - in action here: Click me.

Built-in speaker:

• Front facing speaker for audio (game audio, OS audio and the like).

Two built-in microphones:

1. One microphone for input found in the front of the controller (for voice chatting, dictation etc). It has a dedicated mute button in the front of the controller.
2. Second microphone found on the rear of the controller for noise-cancelling surrounding noise.

Quality test:
https://vocaroo.com/1coS4UN5EzJG

Ports:

• Standard 3.5mm headset jack.
• USB Type-C

Haptic Feedback:

Haptic Feedback in the DualSense controller is a form of fine tuned vibration that comes as a result of a functioning voice coil actuator. Unlike a rumble motor; with a voice coil actuator developers can fine tune vibration throughout the controller in a more balanced manner, more accurately and in finer sensitivities. An example of a voice coil actuator in action:

What you get:

More on voice coil actuators: Here

Adaptive Triggers:

Adaptive Triggers in the DualSense controller provide variable resistance (tension) for the L2/R2 triggers. This is thanks to a motor that, when provided with an electrical current, uses a worm-screw/gear mechanism that creates resistance while a trigger is pressed. The resistance created can be weak, mild or strong (or anything in between) depending on the current supplied (developer choice). Mock gif below uses patent diagram simulating speculated operational concept:

In real life:

More in depth here: Patents commentary

Battery:

• Built-in rechargeable lithium-ion battery (1560mAh).
• Recharges via USB Type-C (Hi-Speed) port or through the charging terminal with a Charging Station (official or aftermarket).

Communication/Interfacing:

• Wireless: Bluetooth Ver. 5.1
• Wired: USB connection (HID, Audio)

Dimensions and weight:

• 160 x 66 x 60mm
• 280g

Buttons:

• PS button, Create button, Options button, Directional buttons (Up, Down, Left, Right), Action buttons (Triangle, Circle, Cross, Square), R1 / L1 button, R2 / L2 button, Left Stick / L3 button, Right Stick / R3 button, Touch Pad button, MUTE button
• Improved Left stick/Right Stick mechanism.

Compatibility:

• PS5: Full
• PC: Partial
• PS4: Partial
• PS3: Partial
• Android: Partial
• iOS: unknown

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Examples of current/future use in games: UPDATED 12/01/2020
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1. Astro's Playroom: Adaptive triggers simulate spring tension. Haptic feedback simulate surfaces, and trampoline jumps. + more.
2. Returnal: Adaptive triggers for switching firing modes. Haptic feedback for sensations in memory fragments as well as weapon firing discharge.
3. Destruction AllStars: Haptic feedback is used to simulate vehicle ramming and in-game actions. Adaptive triggers are used to simulate vehicle differences.
4. Demon's Souls: Haptive Feedback simulates enemy attacks bouncing from shield, and is used to give players feedback on well-timed attacks/spells/parries.
5. Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart: Adaptive triggers simulate weapon fire modes. Haptic Feedback simulate feel.
6. Godfall: Haptic Feedback for weapon feel and weight of attacks. + more.
7. Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales: Haptic Feedback for Spider-sense, venom punch and more.
8. Horizon Forbidden West: Adaptive triggers used for weapon differentiation (based on recoil resistance).
9. Sackboy: A Big Adventure: Adaptive triggers are used to simulate tension when carrying objects and haptic feedback for the sensation of firing weapons.
10. Bugsnax: Haptic feedback for different sensations when running on land, water, sand, snow or bumping into bugsnaxs. Adaptive triggers are used when setting traps.
11. Gran Turismo 7: Adaptive triggers simulate ABS/pedal braking and Haptic feedback for tactile surface feedback.
12. Devil May Cry 5 Special Edition: Haptic Feedback when Reving up Nero’s exceed + more.
13. Deathloop: Adaptive triggers simulate weapon jamming. Haptic feedback when taking damage.
14. Ghostwire: Tokyo: Adaptive triggers simulate shooting recoil as well as other player actions. Haptic Feedback for gameplay nuances.
15. NBA 2K21: Adaptive triggers are used to covey energy and fatigue. Haptic feedback is used to simulate player collisions. + more.
16. The Pathless: Adaptive triggers simulate tension when pulling the bowstring. Haptic Feedback helps with shot timing.
17. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War: Haptic feedback for explosions close to the player.
18. Oddworld: Soulstorm: Haptic Feedback for palpitations of Abe’s heart, with adaptive triggers usage for Abe's struggle.
19. Nour: Play With Your Food: Adaptive triggers for resistance when cutting food with a knife. Haptic feedback for the feel of the knife slicing in food.
20. Heavenly Bodies: Adaptive triggers for the feel of grip in picked up objects, ropes etc. Haptic Feedback for ship rattling and player sensations.
21. Goodbye Volcano High: Haptic Feedback used for conveying tension when making difficult decisions.
22. Prey for the Gods: Adaptive triggers used when pulling bowstring to fire arrows. Haptic Feedback for walking on snow, and wind force.
23. Madden 21: Haptic Feedback for the impact of shots, passes, catches, kicks, tackles etc.
24. Rock Band 4: Microphone used for singing.
25. No Man's Sky: Haptic feedback for the weapon feel (firing etc). Adaptive triggers for trigger click in your interstellar ship.
26. Ride 4: Adaptive triggers simulate gas and brake levers. Haptic Feedback for vehicle's vibrations.
27. Fornite: Haptic feedback makes it feel like you’re holding the Suppressed SMG/Bolt-Action Sniper Rifle + general vibration support. Adaptive triggers are used for ranged weapons.
28. Resident Evil ViIIage (VIII): Haptic feedback used to simulate the feeling of firing a real gun. Adaptive triggers used for weapon weight feel and pull.
29. Warframe: Adaptive triggers will simulate the impact of every shot fired with each trigger pull. Haptic Feedback is used to generate vibration patterns that match in-game environments.
30. Observer: System Redux's: Haptic Feedback for weight of objects, scanned items, resistance when opening doors and much more.
31. Overcooked! All you can eat: Uses the lightbar, the touchpad, the built-in mic and the haptic feedback for various functionality.
32. The Last of Us Part 2: Adaptive triggers for bowstring pull. Haptic feedback for weapon shot release feeling, as well as when ramping boat motors etc.
33. Rainbow Six Siege: Adaptive triggers for gun trigger resistance, full auto or semi. Haptic feedback for explosions, gadgets and other uses.
34. Borderlands 3: Adaptive triggers simulate differences between guns when pulling the trigger. Haptic feedback simulates feel of weapon discharge. Light strip also used.
35. FIFA 2021: Adaptive triggers used to increase trigger resistance as stamina drain.
36. Hitman 3: Adaptive triggers to simulate weapon firing/recoil and also for focus effect (slow mode). Haptic feedback tied to gun sun.

Many more games have announced Dualsense support but have yet to disclose details. Will update when those come in. Do bump this thread if you see any missing or tag me.

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Developer commentary on ease of features use with PS5's SDK:
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Page 26: https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/technology/activities/Tech2020/pdf/Sonys_Technology_2020_E.pdf

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Dualsense Teardown and Internals:
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Professional Teardown: Piku_Ringo


Courtesy of wellgamer789 For more visit his twitter here: https://twitter.com/welltest789

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Other Media, Previews, and Reviews:
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Preview on Astro's PlayRoom:

 

[Kagey K]

Looks like it really is rumble triggers. Nice they threw some buzzwords on it.

 

[Knitted Knight]

Looks like it really is rumble triggers. Nice they threw some buzzwords on it.

Doesn't look the same to me at all. Looking at an elite teardown.

 

[Kagey K]

Doesn't look the same to me at all. Looking at an elite teardown.

I’d be interested in seeing you point out the difference.

 

[Orky]

this is what Happens Sony if you don’t do it yourselves.
we even got to see the ps5 itself from FCC before you showed us anything at all.

 

[Kagey K]

this is what Happens Sony if you don’t do it yourselves.
we even got to see the ps5 itself from FCC before you showed us anything at all.

The longer they avoid it, the worse it’s going to look when people finally get inside.

 

[digital_ghost]

Yes I will still love you underneath it all Dualsense.

 

[Knitted Knight]

I’d be interested in seeing you point out the difference.

The difference is that they don't look the same. Obviously we'll need better, higher quality pictures of the parts, not to mention see the functionality in action and compare it pound for pound. I think you should be the one explaining why you think it's exactly the same with a different name looking at those pictures, and then looking at this:

 

[SuperColourful]

 

[Kagey K]

The difference is that they don't look the same. Obviously we'll need better, higher quality pictures of the parts, not to mention see the functionality in action and compare it pound for pound. I think you should be the one explaining why you think it's exactly the same with a different name looking at those pictures, and then looking at this:

Because it’s a rumble trigger, show me the resistance, or the “feedback” it’s not there. It’s a motor in the trigger same as the XB1.

 

[Knitted Knight]

Because it’s a rumble trigger, show me the resistance, or the “feedback” it’s not there. It’s a motor in the trigger same as the XB1.

I obviously can't show that. You would have to test the controller to see that or own the controller yourself to show the part in detail that performs said task. What we see is that it looks different from those shots. Maybe you're right and it's all marketing jargon but to go all in on such opinion I think is premature.

 

[Trab-Pu-Kcip]

shitty res photo. It's impossibile to understand the inner components

 

[Kagey K]

I obviously can't show that. You would have to test the controller to see that or own the controller yourself to show the part in detail that performs said task. What we see is that it looks different from those shots. Maybe you're right and it's all marketing jargon but to go all in on such opinion I think is premature.

2 way street, to base it on anything more results in the same.

Either you believe the marketing, or you wait to see.

 

[Starfield]

So many videos about the controller. Where's the videos about the console lol

 

[Knitted Knight]

2 way street, to base it on anything more results in the same.

Either you believe the marketing, or you wait to see.

I wait to see.

What I can say comfortably is that they don't look the same on a superficial level from those shots. I will also say Sony, and even developers have gone a long way in describing the functionality of it and how it will be present in their games. Astro's Playroom is a literal game sized demo for the controller and said functionalities. Now either developers are lying (including those from Arkane with Deathloop - now a MS owned dev), and BSing along side Sony's marketing dept or you're wrong. Time will be the judge of that.

 

[Kagey K]

I wait to see.

What I can say comfortably is that they don't look the same on a superficial level from those shots. I will also say Sony, and even developers have gone a long way in describing the functionality of it and how it will be present in their games. Astrobots Playroom being a literal demo for the controller and said functionalities. Now either developers are lying (including those from Arkane with Deathloop - now a MS owned dev) and all of them are in cahoots, BSing along side Sony's marketing dept or you're wrong. Time will be the judge of that.

I heard the same thing last gen, horror games were going to measure heart rate and perspiration through Kinect.

A game could tell if gamers were having fun or getting mad.

Devs tend to say a lot of things when towing the company line early in the gen.

Let’s not pretend this one is going to the be the first.

 

[Knitted Knight]

I heard the same thing last gen, horror games were going to measure heart rate and perspiration through Kinect.

A game could tell if gamers were having fun or getting mad.

Devs tend to say a lot of things when towing the company line early in the gen.

Let’s not pretend this one is going to the be the first.

Nothing wrong with skepticism. I won't disagree there.

 

[lastmessiah]

The photo of the package seems counterfeit.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

 

[Panajev2001a]

Looks like it really is rumble triggers. Nice they threw some buzzwords on it.

If we should wait and see and not comment until then should not you stay quiet too and wait instead of jumping to conclusions (based on these blurry photos)? Hypocritical much here?

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

Looks like it really is rumble triggers. Nice they threw some buzzwords on it.

We need better pictures
but that would be really something, wouldn't it?

 

[Kagey K]

We need better pictures
but that would be really something, wouldn't it?

Better than Travis Scott stripping it down and posting shitty pics.

 

[onQ123]

Looks like it really is rumble triggers. Nice they threw some buzzwords on it.

Yeah right you must not have even looked at the triggers to say that

 

[Md Ray]

Now bring me PS5 disassembly!

 

[Panajev2001a]

Yeah right you must not have even looked at the triggers to say that

He is waiting and seeing (and complaining in the other threads about SonyGAF not valuing MS’s contributions and general insecurity accusations at the PS fanbase focusing on sales in a thread with only Xbox fans in... complaining essentially about echo chambers).

 

[Kagey K]

Yeah right you must not have even looked at the triggers to say that

I looked at the pics, show me where I’m wrong.

or just be a dismissive asshole, neither one affects me that much.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I looked at the pics, show me where I’m wrong.

or just be a dismissive asshole, neither one affects me that much.

Show us where you are right or maybe wait and see and avoid crapping on the tech as if you knew. Wait and see right?

 

[Zuzu]

I'm looking forward to learning about the mechanism used for the adaptive triggers when better quality pictures/video is available.

 

[onQ123]

I looked at the pics, show me where I’m wrong.

or just be a dismissive asshole, neither one affects me that much.

Xbox trigger just has a smaller rumble motor just like the bigger rumble motors that are in the controller PS5 trigger is connected to this

 

[Kagey K]

Xbox trigger just has a smaller rumble motor just like the bigger rumble motors that are in the controller PS5 trigger is connected to this

I dont see that pic in the tear down.

 

[SupremeHoodie]

I remember being blown away with the trigger feedback on my xb1 when playing nba 2k and madden 7 years ago. Happy to see that PlayStation only gamers can finally experience it.

 

[Salmon Snake]

Sc

Scrambled eggs I see

 

[onQ123]

 

[onQ123]

I dont see that pic in the tear down.

It's from the image in the op I just upscaled it

 

[Hostile_18]

I can't see the rumble weights at all compared to the PS4 ones. Am I been thick .

 

[Kagey K]

It's from the image in the op I just upscaled it

I looked through all the images, and either my being on mobile didn’t show this, or something is screwy.

 

[onQ123]

I can't see the rumble weights at all compared to the PS4 ones. Am I been thick .

PS5 controller use voice coil actuators for rumble not the uneven weights on a motor

 

[onQ123]

I looked through all the images, and either my being on mobile didn’t show this, or something is screwy.

So where was the part that looked like rumble triggers to you if you didn't see the image that is in the OP?

 

[Keihart]

I can't see the rumble weights at all compared to the PS4 ones. Am I been thick .

You are, there are 2 chucnky motors on the handles. Thank god they are not looking like the puny ones on the joycons.

 

[Hostile_18]

You are, there are 2 chucnky motors on the handles. Thank god they are not looking like the puny ones on the joycons.

I still can't see it I am on my phone. The PS3/4 ones stick out a mile.

 

[Hostile_18]

PS5 controller use voice coil actuators for rumble not the uneven weights on a motor

I gave it a quick google didnt see much about it. This has completely passed me by. How is it strength wise compared to traditional rumble?

 

[FeiRR]

Judging by quality of pics that go through that cr-app, it should be called WhatsThat.

 

[Aidah]

Hard to see. Either way it's something to look forward to trying, glad they didn't just reuse DS4.

Didn't realize the controller has this texture on it, nice touch:

 

[Panajev2001a]

You are, there are 2 chucnky motors on the handles. Thank god they are not looking like the puny ones on the joycons.

On the JoyCons they were of appropriate size and strength, it was the Pro Controller that was too big and heavy for using the same sized/strength actuators.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

Because it’s a rumble trigger, show me the resistance, or the “feedback” it’s not there. It’s a motor in the trigger same as the XB1.

Yeah you know better than devs that are actually making games to change the resistance on the triggers, it's not rumble triggers at all, grow the hell up.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I gave it a quick google didnt see much about it. This has completely passed me by. How is it strength wise compared to traditional rumble?

A bit more textured/refined but usually a tad bit less pronounced... then again we need to feel it on this controller as the feel changes a lot based on the size, shape, and weight of the controller as well as the size and strength of the actuators.

LRA engines for haptic feedback are generally a lot smaller than oscillating mass rumble engines btw.

 

[Hostile_18]

A bit more textured/refined but usually a tad bit less pronounced... then again we need to feel it on this controller as the feel changes a lot based on the size, shape, and weight of the controller as well as the size and strength of the actuators.

LRA engines for haptic feedback are generally a lot smaller than oscillating mass rumble engines btw.

Interesting, thank you. I suppose the other consideration as well is how much power it uses compared to traditional rumble.

Mind I know the touchpad uses loads. I really wish they had just made it two big buttons in none PS4 mode to greatly extend battery life.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I dont see that pic in the tear down.

... and yet you jumped on it and called it marketing BS and just the same as Impulse Triggers without seeing all the images especially the one focused on the triggers ?!?

 

[captainraincoat]

Looks like it really is rumble triggers. Nice they threw some buzzwords on it.

That’s what I was thinking as well
30 page thread incoming

if that image of the trigger is actually the mechanism this thing is gonna snap after a month of COD

 

[onQ123]

I gave it a quick google didnt see much about it. This has completely passed me by. How is it strength wise compared to traditional rumble?

Because it's using voice coil it can be controller by frequencies like playing back music so they will have more control of how it will feel.