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[saintjules]

This rumor is completely BS and sounds like someone is trying to make a name for themselves early.

The Chinese leaker has a credible track record and has leaked legitimate roadmaps. I think it's at least worth entertaining it.

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[ProtoByte]

Normally I would agree but MS doing another console has apparently compelled Sony to go early too.

That just tells me not to invest in their consoles. A new one by 2027 would be an absolute joke. Sony would have actually put out more re-releases than cross gen games. Fuck anyone who spent most of a grand on a Pro.

Microsoft is rushing what will be their last console. I can almost guarantee it. It will sell even worse than the Series pair, and be very, very stupid for Microsoft financially. Sony needs to be patient. Catch Xbox out at an awkward time with a significantly more powerful machine and an actual lineup of true exclusives. It can either be the coup de grace, or a sad pathetic prolonged struggle that doesn't need to be.

 

[paolo11]

That's because it was poorly thought out by Microsoft + they put themselves in a corner with the launch parity clause. The various PC handhelds that exist aren't holding anything back.


More like Steam Deck. And yeah, 1080p might be it. Sony finally stopped the lunacy of putting a 4k screens on their flagship Xperia phones.

One feature I pray is compatibility from ps1 to ps5 games and able to use your purchased digital games on all devices offline

 

[Anchovie123]

My prediction

Holiday 2028
Zen 6
UDNA 2
24GB GDDR7

 

[awwr999999]

AMD released Zen2 in 2019. Same year PS5 was announced(released in 2020), and while they're using Zen2 and RDNA2 for their CPU and GPU architecture, the hardware is definitely not 'off-the-shelf'. Whatever is going into the PS6 is something Sony and AMD are architecting right now, just like they did Zen2.

It's off-the-shelf in the sense that you can buy the exact same base CPU and GPU minus the proprietary extras that Sony's added.
According to IGN, "AMD Ryzen 7 3700X is basically spec-for-spec what the PS5 has to offer, with 8 cores and 16 threads.".
The PS5's GPU is based on the Radeon RX 6700.
You can always buy a more expensive off-the-shelf CPU/GPU and end up with better technical specs.
It's an inescapable trap where the better any x86 PlayStation does the better it makes PC look.
Every PlayStation 5 is an ad for AMD's CPUs and GPUs with 'higher than PS5' specs.
Apple's escaped this cycle and now everything Mac does reflects back on Apple as opposed to Intel, Nvidia or AMD.
Unlike modern PlayStation, Apple's HW can't be compared to any PC or off-the-shelf parts.

 

[Boss Mog]

I hope the Zen 5 part isn’t true. It’s time to jump to ARM.

Yes because let's throw away two generations of direct backwards compatibility

 

[Panajev2001a]

Why are people begging for 16c? It ain't happening, and ps6 won't need it. What would you even use an extra 8c16t for? Almost no games use more than 8c as it is, outside of non console games like sim games. 3d cache on an apu would be extraordinarily expensive. Zen 5 die is 70mm^2, a console APU is 250-300mm^2. I really don't see it being feasible based on cost. Even if they revert to L3 on top, that's still like 200+mm^2 of dummy silicon which is still going to make the wafer cost large.

Even if they go with 8 cores (currently PS5 and PS5 Pro do not disable SMT so there is work going above 8T), a customised Zen5c with a large 3D Cache for CPU and GPU memory accesses might be preferable than a much newer architecture revision of Zen… the biggest factor is whether they can pair a new UDNA GPU on a recent by then manufacturing node with what CPU cores (is it cheaper to have Zen6/7 or the custom older Zen for Sony and AMD? Is there a need of higher performance than that?).

Not saying it would be incredibly cheap but if there is something they will be in great need for their workloads (3D graphics and/or AI) are bandwidth intensive / sensitive and there is only so much they can do with GDDR. Power draw and board complexity will also increase a lot with that approach.
I also see them going for a more size optimised version of Zen (their Zen 2 cores are noticeably smaller as they redesigned the FPU almost completely).

 

[Panajev2001a]

CPU should be Zen6 and it's coming 2027 afaik.

It would be great if it were, but maybe not and Sony could be ok with that… see the “it has to be Zen 4c or better” for PS5 Pro speculation.

Then again it is a core that has to last for about 8 years and would get re-used in the PS6 Pro and, although manufacturing nodes development is slowing down more and more, it might be convenient to chose a core designed for a newer node to make the SoC design and manufacturing easier.

 

[Loboxxx]

There are at least 5 years left, it's possible that humanity will have disappeared by then...we'd better enjoy PS5 and SX, right?

 

[Klik]

Cool,we are finally gonna get proper true next gen games in few years

 

[Wolzard]

No way in hell Sony launches a console in 2027-2028 with a CPU architecture that launched in 2024. Especially since AMD has already mentioned Zen6 and Zen7.

Write it down. The PS6 will be released in late 2026, alongside the new Xbox.
It will have a Zen 5 CPU and use a UDNA GPU.

If the PS6 releases in 2026, I believe Zen 6 is coming in 2025.

I'm more of the belief PS6 is 2027 at the earliest.

Zen 6 will be released in late 2026. AMD has not yet released the entire Zen 5 line, so it will do so in 2025. CPUs usually come out every 2 years.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Fuck anyone who spent most of a grand on a Pro.

All the games are going to be crossgen so not really. Now the people who bought the Pro will probally buy the PS6 Series X but they don't necessarily have to.

 

[David B]

At this point in gaming it's like why make a PS6? Why make another Xbox? So I see the point now in making handhelds. However can they make them to the 1440p point? We have the ROG Ally, we got the Steam deck, we got Lenovo, we got others out there with AMD Ryzen APUs with just about 1 to 2 teraflops now. Ok 1080p handhelds. But do you think we'll ever see 1440p handhelds? Right now were at the point where what is the point of a PS6? What is the point of a Xbox Next? I'm sure Sony is going to come out with the worlds first 8K blu-ray player is here, the PS6, and new from Sony and LG and Samsung 8K TVs starting at just $2,500. Finally affordable 8K TVs. But at this point there really is no point at more consoles.

 

[RodriGames40]

At this point in gaming it's like why make a PS6? Why make another Xbox? So I see the point now in making handhelds. However can they make them to the 1440p point? We have the ROG Ally, we got the Steam deck, we got Lenovo, we got others out there with AMD Ryzen APUs with just about 1 to 2 teraflops now. Ok 1080p handhelds. But do you think we'll ever see 1440p handhelds? Right now were at the point where what is the point of a PS6? What is the point of a Xbox Next? I'm sure Sony is going to come out with the worlds first 8K blu-ray player is here, the PS6, and new from Sony and LG and Samsung 8K TVs starting at just $2,500. Finally affordable 8K TVs. But at this point there really is no point at more consoles.

You speak like we have already achieved pathtracing and multi bounce GI in every game. Of course there's a point, the Pro isn't even beating Lovelace at RT performance still.

 

[begotten]

When will we know if Cerny is developing PS7?

 

[Lysandros]

They put a Zen 2 in a late 2024 console…

Mid-gen case is is an exception with its own blatant reasons though, this has no relevancy to a proper new generation system.

 

[Loomy]

Write it down. The PS6 will be released in late 2026, alongside the new Xbox.
It will have a Zen 5 CPU and use a UDNA GPU.

If it comes out in late 2026, then maybe. Zen 5c comes out next year.

 

[Zathalus]

Considering the Pro release date, the slowdown in both technology and node shrinks, as well as lengthier game development times, I still think a 2028 release date is likely.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Considering the Pro release date, the slowdown in both technology and node shrinks, as well as lengthier game development times, I still think a 2028 release date is likely.

But Microsoft.

Just think of the PS6 as being what the PS5 Pro should have been.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

Cost reasons? Those may be the only AMD CPU cores available on an older (4nm) node, and Sony is unwilling to pay for something which requires 3nm or 2nm silicon. I think next-gen will have a chiplet SoC.

Cost would be a reason but then they'd be using a state of the art GPU with an ancient CPU. They've never done that, not even Nintendo is doing that with the Switch 1 & 2. I could see them going Zen 6 (2026) in 2028 for cost reasons specially the smaller Zen 6C cores but idk about Zen 4. Time will tell.

 

[David B]

At this point, why even buy a PS5 Pro when it's already been 4 years of PS5 and consoles usually go only 6 or 7 years. Meaning the PS5 Pro will only be supported with games for 2 or 3 years and than boom, the PS6 is out. So why deal with a tiny upgrade when the PS6 is up on the horizon? There's really no point in buying the PS5 Pro when it's only going to be supported with new games for 2 or 3 years. It's lame if you ask me. It's like oh oh oh omg, it's so great, oh wait wait wait a minute, only gonna be 2 or 3 years until PS6 though, so why would one want to buy it and than poof a PS6 comes out.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

At this point, why even buy a PS5 Pro when it's already been 4 years of PS5 and consoles usually go only 6 or 7 years. Meaning the PS5 Pro will only be supported with games for 2 or 3 years and than boom, the PS6 is out. So why deal with a tiny upgrade when the PS6 is up on the horizon? There's really no point in buying the PS5 Pro when it's only going to be supported with new games for 2 or 3 years. It's lame if you ask me. It's like oh oh oh omg, it's so great, oh wait wait wait a minute, only gonna be 2 or 3 years until PS6 though, so why would one want to buy it and than poof a PS6 comes out.

All of the games are going to be PS5 pretty much.

 

[farmerboy]

Out of curiosity, and I know TF are not really that good a metric, but what kind of power could an AMD soc have in 4/5years?

 

[SegaSnatcher]

They put a Zen 2 in a late 2024 console…

I am not sure but a Zen 5 with 16 cores and 3D Cache shared by CPU and GPU would be to me preferable to a Zen 7 without 3D cache…

Because the PS5 Pro is just a mid gen refresh, not a brand new console generation. They did the same thing with PS4 Pro.

There is no need for more cores, just more overall performance per core. I agree, I hope to see 3D Cache.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Out of curiosity, and I know TF are not really that good a metric, but what kind of power could an AMD soc have in 4/5years?

In terms of actual GPU raster performance I'd expect 4x raster for PS6 over base PS5. 4K will still be the main target resolution and I'm sure a more advanced version of PSSR will be at the ready. Obviously Ray Tracing performance will see a pretty big boost.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Will it be feasible to have something equivalent to a 4090k running Cyberpunk in 4, 100fps with RT on a 5-600 console in 2027?

 

[Exede]

Not sure why they stay with AMD, is it because the backwards compatibility?

 

[David B]

Not sure why they stay with AMD, is it because the backwards compatibility?

Sony and Microsoft are sticking to AMD because they offer there parts a lot cheaper than Intel and Nvidia do. AMD also makes the APUs really good, nobody is doing it better than AMD right now. AMD being cheaper and better at making APUs means Sony and Microsoft will stay with them a long time for console making.

 

[hemo memo]

Whatever it is, I hope it comes out before 2028. 2027 would be a sweet spot.

November 2027

 

[kyussman]

I'm sure The Last of Us reimagined remastered remake remade for a modern audience will look great on it.

 

[sachos]

The PS5 came out in 2020 with GPU perf similar to a 2070 Super from 2019.
If the trends continues the PS6 will come out in 2027 (i think it will last a year longer than PS4 though) with a GPU equivalent from 2026, given Nvidia releases every ~2 years that would be a ~5070 Super 1 year after the 5070 from 2025.
Do we expect a Q2 2026 AMD GPU to perform similarly to a 5070/5070 Super?

 

[hinch7]

The PS5 came out in 2020 with GPU perf similar to a 2070 Super from 2019.
If the trends continues the PS6 will come out in 2027 (i think it will last a year longer than PS4 though) with a GPU equivalent from 2026, given Nvidia releases every ~2 years that would be a ~5070 Super 1 year after the 5070 from 2025.
Do we expect a Q2 2026 AMD GPU to perform similarly to a 5070/5070 Super?

That would only be around 2-2.5x GPU performance of base PS5 in raster. And more if we factor in UDNA's RT. They would aim higher than that for a brand new generation.

I'd hope for 5080 levels of performance to be attainable in mid range AMD DGPU and PS6 by then.

 

[sachos]

They would aim higher than that for a brand new generation.

If they manage to keep improving PSSR and add in Frame Gen to the mix both can act as big multipliers vs Base PS5 perf though. I think a big jump like you ask is possible but this generation will need to extend longer imo, at least 2028 so you get 2027 level GPU perf.

 

[Katatonic]

It’s a thinly veiled way to slow Pro sales. Wait for the 6.
And then wait for the 6 pro.

 

[David B]

It’s a thinly veiled way to slow Pro sales. Wait for the 6.
And then wait for the 6 pro.

So than don't buy consoles at all if it's always wait for this, no wait for this, no no wait for that one. It's like well no point at buying any of them than! DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH!!!

 

[Tarin02543]

When will we know if Cerny is developing PS7?

he's just choosing the parts

 

[mckmas8808]

PS6 Rumors Suggest Console Will Use AMD's UDNA Architecture

New PlayStation 6 (PS6) rumors suggest that the next-generation Sony console will use AMD's new UDNA GPU architecture and more.

insider-gaming.com

• No more RDNA5 codename, after RDNA4 it's UDNA.
• MI400 and RX9000 using the same UDNA, architecture using GCN-like ALU design.
• UDNA Gaming GPU tentative plan 26 Q2 mass production
• Sony's PS6 will be using UDNA, the CPU has not yet been determined whether it's ZEN4 or ZEN5
• Sony's handhelds will also use AMD hardware
• Microsoft's handhelds I heard that they will choose between Qualcomm and AMD? I don't know about this the above information comes from the supply chain, I'm not sure about the specs and performance

Discuss..

They have to be using ZEN5 CPU chip in the PS5. No way it's Zen4.

 

[Darkkahn]

They have to be using ZEN5 CPU chip in the PS5. No way it's Zen4.

You meant in the PS4?

 

[ResilientBanana]

Do it the Apple way and problem solved.

Apple computers and Phones are significantly more expensive than consoles. Is that what you want? $1500 consoles? May as well go PC at that point.

 

[Elios83]

It's pretty much confirmed that not only they're sticking with AMD but they're actually elevating it to the next step with Sony actually helping to design stuff that will be implemented in future AMD tech.
Interesting times ahead.

 

[mckmas8808]

You meant in the PS4?

LOL! Nah I meant to say PS6.

 

[Ivan]

After Cerny's presentation, I'm suddenly much more excited about next gen. We'll have to wait, but I think really good things are coming.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

Sony's PS6 will be using UDNA, the CPU has not yet been determined whether it's ZEN4 or ZEN5

better use 3d v-cache

and throw in a co-processor just for physics

 

[Trilobit]

Imagine all the PS4 remasters on it. Wow, can't wait!

 

[David B]

Imagine all the PS4 remasters on it. Wow, can't wait!

Milk it, milk it, milk it some more, ohh yeah, tons of money!!! LMAF!

 

[Fake]

Hope we can see some stuff in CES 2025.