Jack Random
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~Devil Trigger~ said:
I think the argument is more that removing something as significant as a disk drive shouldn't result in an increase in price since it results in a reduction in cost for Sony.
PSP Go? 249.99!!!!
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I think the argument is more that removing something as significant as a disk drive shouldn't result in an increase in price since it results in a reduction in cost for Sony.
Yes Boss! said:
But is is ALSO being sold as a PSP.
And sitting on the shelf to it is ANOTHER PSP, which plays EVERY SINGLE DOWNLOADABLE GAME as well.
Only that one ALSO lets you play disc based games if you want, AND it costs $80 less.
What demographic is this for? The demographic that is blind in one eye?
Outcast2004
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People with no sense.... and an extra $80.loosus said:
Vaandaviii
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Evander said:
The demographic that wants a smaller and lighter device equipped with more-expensive-than-an-umd-drive internal memory, for example?
Anybody complaining about cost-of-materials and how this is five-year-old tech better get used to it. From now on all companies are gonna follow the model set by Wii. There will be no 720 or PS4. Those two systems will be relaunched late 2010, 2011 in completely rebranded boxes with their motion solutions.
This IS the PSP 2. They aren't naming it that just as all future consoles will likely not be numerated. The Go is what we will have for the next four to five years. They have switched the distribution model and development model. It will be slow-going for the next twelve to fifteen months but this will be the only model offered by Christmas 2010. UMDs are the last generation in the PSP's timelime.
Also: the smaller screen is not a step back. Pixel count is the same, it will just look more brilliant. It was way too big on the original PSP. This is a handheld.
I'm hardly a Sony apologist, but folks need to accept the old PSP model is dying and will eventually end. It has come to its generational end.
This IS the PSP 2. They aren't naming it that just as all future consoles will likely not be numerated. The Go is what we will have for the next four to five years. They have switched the distribution model and development model. It will be slow-going for the next twelve to fifteen months but this will be the only model offered by Christmas 2010. UMDs are the last generation in the PSP's timelime.
Also: the smaller screen is not a step back. Pixel count is the same, it will just look more brilliant. It was way too big on the original PSP. This is a handheld.
I'm hardly a Sony apologist, but folks need to accept the old PSP model is dying and will eventually end. It has come to its generational end.
Outcast2004
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Yes Boss! said:
Lol, no...it's not. It's a stop gap.
If you don't think there's going to be a PSP2, then I don't have a lol big enough.
Also, a smaller screen IS a step back. They prided themselves for the longest time of having the biggest and best portable gaming screen.... only to shrink it. lol
Vaandaviii said:
Don't give me a load of bull that the internal memory makes up the price diffence. I could get a 16 gig thumb drive for less than 30 bucks.
Not to mention that an internal drive makes very little point on the PSP at this point (and whould make none at all if Sony didn't insist on using their proprietary memory formats.) When the PSP first came out, and a 1 gig memory stick cost a hundred dollars, a small internal HDD would have been nice, but at this point memory sticks up to 16 gigs are already on the market, with 32s expected soon.
Plus the Go! has decided, one again, to go with an obscre and expensive proprietary format in the Memory Stick M2s, ensuring that folks who fill their 16 gigs will be force to spend EVEN MORE crazy ammounts of money to buy a non-standard memory format.
Outcast2004
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They are REMOVING a component and REPLACING it with a solid state, much cheaper option.Vaandaviii said:
Am I the only one that find the $80 price jump odd??? REALLY!?!
Outcast2004
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What?!?Yes Boss! said:
Wow.......
Sony's next PSP revision... a thumbstick with a 1/2 screen. After all the GO's screen is STILL too large.
WTF people.
I wouldn't be shocked to see a PSP2 within the next 2 years. You know it's being developed. It's naive to think otherwise.JoJo13 said:
DeaconKnowledge
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Ugh...are people really making the "5 year old tech" argument again?
Outcast2004
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But it is.DeaconKnowledge said:
DeaconKnowledge
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Outcast2004 said:
And? You're buying it as a game player. The tech in it isn't important aside from what its value for playing the games is.
If it's not of value to you, don't buy it, and stick with your/buy a PSP 1-3000.
Outcast2004
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DeaconKnowledge said:
You're on a different argument....
The problem is the PRICE they're asking you to pay for a system with 5 yr old innards.
It's NOT a revamp of distribution... THEY WERE ALREADY DOING IT!Yes Boss! said:
Sony is just trying to force the issue a lot faster than it should. It could drastically backfire.
For the short term the GO will be on the shelves directly next to the regular PSPs.
People who are first time buyers or people just now gaining interest will see the 2 systems side by side.
There's one that has a media tray, does digital distro, has a bigger screen, comes with a game, movie and memory stick. Price $199 for the bundle.
Then directly next to it.....
One that has no media, only digital (which if you dont have wireless internet, you're fucked for games), comes with nothing. Price $249 for JUST the hardware.
You tell me, which are people going to jump on?
Yes Boss! said:
Wait, weren't you talking about financial data a moment ago?
If you're just guessing, based on the sucess of the Wii, then let me explain what you are missing: Nintendo managed to take what was essentially gamecube technology, and make it do something new and innovative, without upgrading it too much along the traditional trendline. The Wii may not be much more "powerful" from a gamecube, but the differences in what it can do are still significant.
The PSP Go! doesn't do anything that the PSP 3000 can't do. Trying to compare the Go! to a Wii completely misses that point.
DeaconKnowledge
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Outcast2004 said:
That's the thing; I don't see why it's a problem. Sony feels that what the PSP Go offers is worth that price. Those that don't like it can just buy a PSP 1000 to 3000.
Yes you're paying a premium for it, but just because its PSP tech from late 04 doesn't mean it should automatically have a lower price, that's not part of the systems value proposition. You're buying it for what it does.
max-pain said:
I don't see why any of those things are relevant.
I've heard potential consumers on this board bitch incessantly for a DD only PSP that scraps UMD. Is this not what they were clamoring for?
Outcast2004
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DeaconKnowledge said:
THE OLDER PSPS ALREADY DO ALL OF THAT!
That's..... the....... point.
This board does NOT equal the game buying populace at large. That's your first mistake.DeaconKnowledge said:
Wow, can't believe I'm actually batting for Sony. But for once they've done something right in the last three years and it appears to be the harbinger for a massive shift in the Playstation line. My guess this began a year to fifteen months ago.
Consumers don't need that but the PSP brand does. And smart companies don't always give consumers what they want, better to give what they don't know they want.
max-pain said:
Consumers don't need that but the PSP brand does. And smart companies don't always give consumers what they want, better to give what they don't know they want.
Outcast2004
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Whatever dude....Yes Boss! said:
Believe what you want. But if you don't think they plan on releasing a BIGGER and MORE POWERFUL PSP2 down the line within the next couple of years, then you've got some problems with grasping reality.
PSP2 is nothing but a stop gap test project.
QUOTE=DeaconKnowledge]I've heard potential consumers on this board bitch incessantly for a DD only PSP that scraps UMD. Is this not what they were clamoring for?[/QUOTE]
First off, as has been mentioned, this board is not an accurate reflaction of the general market.
Secondly, I'm prety sure that those folks wanted the UMD drive removed because they thought it would result in a cheaper device. Otherwise, they could have just, you know, bought a PSP 300 and simply glued the UMD door shut.
First off, as has been mentioned, this board is not an accurate reflaction of the general market.
Secondly, I'm prety sure that those folks wanted the UMD drive removed because they thought it would result in a cheaper device. Otherwise, they could have just, you know, bought a PSP 300 and simply glued the UMD door shut.
Outcast2004 said:
Nope, I consider Go the start of the second generation of PSP. The third will be very similar tech-wise but will likely have additional features, modes. The tech spec is enough to get them through the second and, based on competition, the third generation. I'd be prepared to live with the current PSP tech for the next five to eight years.
And you know what? It will probably be $200 to $250 the next round.
DeaconKnowledge
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Outcast2004 said:
I never said they didn't. Not once did I say tat the PSP was doing something that the PSP line already didn't. I'm saying that the PSP Go is priced at what Sony feels it should be for what it offers, and in that regard how old the tech is is entirely irrelevant.
Outcast2004 said:
I agree. However, does that discount their opinion? The populace at large don't seem to be buying UMDs either, should we discount that?
Yes Boss! said:
Where ever you got your MBA from, you should ask for a refund.
What you're misunderstanding here is the concept of creating demand for a product, rather than creating a product for a demand. The difference, though, is that you still have to build that demand before you start selling the thing if you want to be successful.
You can't sell something that people don't want. If there's too much competitions in areas where demand already exists, then you can create new demand. You STILL need to create that demand before releasing the product, though. You can't just throw a product on to the market and expect demand to create itself.
Evander said:
50 million units sold is a large pool to draw from. Go will also probably appeal to others who have not even considered PSP before. As always, it comes down to the software. And, older PSP model-holders will be able to access it as well. But, PSP software should begin to look differently is scope and feel sometime in 2010.
VGChampion
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Evander said:
As it's been said many many times before in this very thread. People who want to take it out with them. I never bring my PSP because it's just to big and heavy. This thing it tiny compared to the original. I'm just amazed that people are arguing about this still. If you don't want one and think it's a high price? Good for you. Don't get one. Do you get some sort of high arguing with people on the Internet about how they shouldn't want one of these? Jesus. Step back from your computer for a second and actually think about what you're arguing about. :lol :lol
And you know, for the whole PSP2 case, I personally don't think it's the PSP2 but it's the same thing as people saying Project Natal is the new 360. Open up a Natal thread and you'll see arguments that it's the next generation.
Oh, one more thing. Yes, it's older tech going for $250 but you know what? People are still buying older tech for the same price.
Yes Boss! said:
Except that 50 million unit pool has no good reason to upgrade. Their existing devices already do everything that the Go will.
As for how it will "probably" appeal to people who never considered a PSP before, how? If some one had zero interest in a device that plays UMDs and digital games, why would they be interested in paying MORE for a device that only does half of that?
VGChampion said:
When have I told anyone specifically that they shouldn't want one of these?
I've gone so far as to specifically state that I'm not trying to talk anyone out of a purchase, and I definitely recognize that there is a niche audience for this (just like there was for the Gameboy Micro.)
What I'm talking about is how this release is a business move.
Outcast2004
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VGChampion said:
This is a discussion forum. Varying opinions are great.
Why is it people seem to think that every thread has to have only positive opinions on a topic?
I have a question though...if you think the PSP is "heavy", just how weak are you?
VGChampion
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Evander said:
Uhh...lets see. It's going to seem like a whole new device to them? GAF is the MINORITY here. Most people aren't going to care. I can tell you one thing. My Aunt doesn't like changing disc's in and out. She play's what ever is on a system. For the Wii, she only plays Wii Fit because it's in the Wii and whatever VC/WiiWare is on the system. Think about other people besides yourself.
I'm out again I guess. Evander is just to into himself to understand other viewpoints. :lol
Evander said:
Perhaps they has no interest in playing UMD and buying all of the memory stick pros to hold all of the downloadable games? Perhaps they found the device clunky or too big.
In honesty, none of us knows. We'll find out. I'm tempted to buy one though. Mainly because of the fact that I wouldn't need to worry about memory cards anymore and it's a much better looking device. Impressions from friends are all pretty positive after testing it out.
Gamecocks625
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People will never buy the DSi. I can't believe they remove the GBA slot and add a few gimicky features and increase the price $40. Are the execs at Nintendo idiots? Why are they pricing it the same as a PSP? Who are the targeting with this dumb DSi? This thing won't sell. It's the new GB Color. People who buy the DSi over the DS Lite are idiots. I can't wait for NPD to show how big of idiots these people are who say the DSi will sell. Please, $40 increase for gimicks are removing GBA?
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Evander said:
No reason to upgrade yet. Obviously. I was just saying that is 50 million previous customers that have shown interest in Sony portable products.
You have to realize too that Japan is a massive market for this unit and a group of gamers that traditionally upgrade regularly. Size, too, is a consideration for that region.
And marketing, marketing, marketing. This will be marketed differently from the PSP phats. There will be crossover for the next year or two but eventually that will end.
You know, I'm not a huge Sony fan and PSP is my least played system by a wide margin and I have owned many PSPs but this is all IMHO. It is just the way I see the market going. I'm very excited for what the PSP Go is going to do. And I expect most of these negative arguments for the PSP Go to evaporate sooner rather than later.