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PSP Go? 249.99!!!!

The Go costs more because

1. It's smaller

2. It looks cool

3. It's new

As with the iPhone you are partly paying for image. Honestly I don't see the a big problem here, the older PSP's were too big to fit in most pockets. Why complain about something you aren't going to buy? Unless you are invested in Sony, why complain about their business strategy?
 
Evander said:
Welcome to the internet.

If you don't want people to talk speculatively, then what exactly do you want? Folks to just file through voting "for" or "against"?

Do what you like. Doesn't make it any less stupid as you guys seem to think the Go is. :D Like you said though, it's the Internet.

Anyways, this thread has run it's course. Have fun.
 
Evander said:
except that they're getting too far ahead of the curve, in my opinion

yes, DD is a growing trend, and having a download option is a good idea to capture that segment of the market.



but attempting to move your line in a DD ONLY direction, when the majority of the market still prefers physical media, is a mistake.

The ONLY good decisions I see, in regards to the Go, is the decision to keep the 3000 on the market along side of it. Had they gotten rid fo the 3000 (which I'm sure they considered) this could have spelled death for the PSP.

Which, personally, would have pissed me off, because I still have a bunch of games I'm looking forward to picking up for my 2000.

I'm going to buy a PSP soon, and I will definitely pay more for the imo far more aesthetically pleasing slicker device, a UMD slot to me seems completelty unecessary especailly if it leaving it out reduces the size and weight of the device. To me its like what do I want a chunky mini disc player or a nice new Ipod. And as you say, they are giving you the option of both, so there is no issue here
 
Evander said:
except that they're getting too far ahead of the curve, in my opinion

yes, DD is a growing trend, and having a download option is a good idea to capture that segment of the market.



but attempting to move your line in a DD ONLY direction, when the majority of the market still prefers physical media, is a mistake.

The ONLY good decisions I see, in regards to the Go, is the decision to keep the 3000 on the market along side of it. Had they gotten rid fo the 3000 (which I'm sure they considered) this could have spelled death for the PSP.

Which, personally, would have pissed me off, because I still have a bunch of games I'm looking forward to picking up for my 2000.
but see, the people who like physical media will buy a 3000, the Go is for people who like DD. Its not like they are fully getting rid of physical media. So whats the problem here?
 
Has anyone read the whole Press Release for the PSPgo!?

I bolded the Only important Part.

Sony Computer Entertainment said:
PSP(R)go PSP(R) (PlayStation(R)Portable) Evolves to Match the Digital Lifestyle

With an Ultra-Portable Design and Digital Content Focus, PSPgo to Hit the Worldwide Market This Fall, Further Enhancing the User Experience Along with PSP-3000

LOS ANGELES, June 2 /PRNewswire/ — Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) today unveiled PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) go (PSP-N1000), a new evolution of PSP handheld entertainment system, specifically designed to suit the digital lifestyle of consumers who enjoy downloadable content on the go. PSPgo will become available in stores on October 1, 2009, in North America, Europe/ PAL territories and Asian countries and regions at a recommended retail price (RRP) of US$249 and euro 249, and on November 1, 2009, in Japan at a RRP of 26,800 yen (including tax). With both the existing PSP-3000 and new PSPgo, the company will further enhance the ultimate gaming and entertainment experiences on the go while providing consumers with the opportunity to choose the PSP system that's right for them.

PSPgo is ideal for today's on-the move consumers who prefer not to carry around disc-based content and are looking for on-demand entertainment. With the steady expansion of broadband network infrastructure, the number of users who download and enjoy digital entertainment content has been increasing remarkably. To address this growing trend, PSPgo replaces the UMD drive*1 with 16GB of flash memory to store a variety of digital entertainment content, offering users unlimited possibilities of portable digital entertainment delivered through PlayStation®Network. PSPgo, smaller and lighter than ever with a sophisticated design featuring an easy sliding display panel, is truly pocket-sized and can be taken everywhere. PSPgo will be available in Piano Black and Pearl White*2, two of the most popular colors since the launch of the PSP system in 2004. Along with PSP-3000, PSPgo will further enhance the unmatched portable gaming and entertainment experience by offering users more opportunity to enjoy their favorite entertainment content such as games, videos, music and photos anytime, anywhere.

In order to meet the needs of the growing number of PlayStation®Network users looking for digital entertainment content, SCE along with third party developers and publishers will continue to enhance the content line-up within PlayStation®Store for the launch of PSPgo, scheduled this fall. More and more new and attractive titles will become available for download from PlayStation®Store as well as on UMD. This broad content offering across all genres includes new games, free-demos, PS one® classics for PSP, add-on items for game titles, and trailers.

In addition to accessing PlayStation Store directly from PSP using the built-in wireless LAN (Wi-Fi) feature or through the PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3®) computer entertainment system, users will also be able to access and download a variety of entertainment content via their PCs using Media Go*3, a new software application. Media Go will enable users to access and download entertainment content on PlayStation Store via their PCs as well to easily manage PSP content on PCs, including games, videos, photos, and music. This easy to use software application will be available on a CD-ROM bundled with PSPgo.

Also this fall, a new music application specific to PSP that uses the "SensMe™ channels"*4 music recommendation feature, developed by Sony, also becomes available for download on PSP. With this music application, users will be able to enjoy their favorite music stored on their PSP through a rich user interface, designed exclusively for PSP. "SensMe channels" is a mood based music recommendation system that categorizes music content into channels such as "Relax," "Dance" and "Upbeat," and recommends music playlists for users.

Other features are:

> Easy Sliding Display Panel and Original Applications
PSPgo offers a variety of exciting entertainment options by taking
advantage of the sliding panel. When the panel is open, users will be
able to enjoy various entertainment content with the familiar button
control as PSP-3000, when closed, original applications for PSPgo, such
as a clock and calendar is displayed on the screen. Users can also
enjoy video and music when the panel is closed.

> Game sleep function
PSPgo has unique features such as game sleep function which enables
users to operate XMB(TM) (XrossMediaBar) while pausing gameplay
temporarily.

> Bluetooth(R) function
Bluetooth function will also allow users to connect Bluetooth
standard peripherals such as head-phones and head-set *5 as well
as PS3 wireless controller (DUALSHOCK(R)3 and SIXAXIS(R)) *6 to be
used when watching video content on TVs via PSP at home*7.

> Peripheral line-up
One of the products within PSPgo's peripheral line-up is a new
Cradle (PSP-N340) *7 that will become available in stores worldwide
concurrently with the release of PSPgo. This new Cradle enables users
to charge the PSPgo battery and also enjoy watching video and listening
to music. Also included in the peripheral line-up are video-out port
cables that enable users to enjoy games and videos on their TVs at home.

In-Game XMB? Nice!
 
spwolf said:
:D

Ever had an slider phone? Dear god, you have to slide/open it to use it!!!!!

As to the media interface, i dont see the issue, ipod does not have better interface - you sync your playlist from PC and then you select it in ipod....? If you are talking about going through songs on actual ipod, it is not really slick interface (hard to find things), it does look good, but once you show it to your friends you basically never use it in slide-show mode. You end up selecting the playlist and going up/down on it. I am not really happy with interfaces on ipods/iphones that I have.

Only where Ipod Touch is clearly better is browsing web, as it is much much easier than with buttons.. but then again, PSP Go! is $50 cheaper and has better gaming controls.

When you're using your phone, it is an involved experience. When you're pausing an mp3 player, or switching tracks, you want to be able to jst press a button and be done.



As for the UI, I haven't used an iPod for a few years, but what I'm getting at is that most of the PMPs out there allow you to sort your music using the tags on it, so you can look up things by album, or by artist, or by genre, not just by what folder you put it in.
 
Guled said:
but see, the people who like physical media will buy a 3000, the Go is for people who like DD. Its not like they are fully getting rid of physical media. So whats the problem here?
evander won't buy it, so nobody will.














+1 Pearl White, day 1.
edit: re: $250 - as with most tech stuff, i write it off as the early adopter tax. Sony will make a ton of profit off each unit sold, which makes up for the PS3 losses until the slim appears, etc. Plus the PSP was all but dead as a platform. Sony had to do something. The Go is the PSP I wanted back when the 1000 first came out, so i'm definitely jumping in.
 
Outcast2004 said:
It's a DISCUSSION.

Jesus...what the fuck is with people that want JUST glowing, super happy opinions?!?

Of course I don't want everyone to be super happy and write glowing reviews, but constantly shitting up the thread because you don't like the direction the PSP is going is getting pretty fucking old.
 
Guled said:
but see, the people who like physical media will buy a 3000, the Go is for people who like DD. Its not like they are fully getting rid of physical media. So whats the problem here?
The 3000 can do DD...and it costs less.

Not a "problem", it's an observation.

DMeisterJ said:
Of course I don't want everyone to be super happy and write glowing reviews, but constantly shitting up the thread because you don't like the direction the PSP is going is getting pretty fucking old.
Yes, god forbid I have a dissenting (yet just as valid) opinion. Deal with it.
 
Outcast2004 said:
It's a DISCUSSION.

Jesus...what the fuck is with people that want JUST glowing, super happy opinions?!?

It's what happens when they run out of rational arguments to defend a bad business decision. It's all ad hominem. They're saying that because we aren't going to buy PSP Go!s, our opinions on them are somehow less valid.
 
Evander said:
I believe you, and I think it's the problem here.

Sony corporate seems to love this sort of forced synergy, where they take one product and try to force it to compete with two or three different products, in different markets.

It generally doesn't end too well for them. Consider the fact that the ORIGINAL PSP was supposed to be an ipod-killer as well. The device didn't sell horribly, but if the focus that had been put in to it's media functionality had instead been put elsewhere, it might have done a lot better againt the GBA.

It is called a product line and has worked for just about every consumer electronics company worth naming. The latest tech is at one end of the pricing curve, the older models at the other end. Almost every argument I've seen complaining about the pricing and/or features of the PSP Go is based upon conveniently forgetting that the PSP Go is not intended as a PSP-3000 replacement.

Bringing up the GBA is pointless. You're assuming the goal was to solely target the Nintendo handheld audience. The media capabilities and the choice of format made it quite obvious they were after a different market. You're also assuming that raw units sales is the only possible goal. How many movie studios does Nintendo own in whole or in part? Think about that, then contrast it with Sony and then it should spring to mind that Sony probably had a number of goals for the PSP that didn't have anything to do with competing with a Nintendo handheld.
 
Evander said:
It's what happens when they run out of rational arguments to defend a bad business decision. It's all ad hominem. They're saying that because we aren't going to buy PSP Go!s, our opinions on them are somehow less valid.

No one is saying your opinion isn't valid.

What is being stated is that you are not going to buy the PSPgo. You don't like the only DD option. And you think the price is high, and then you try to keep on saying the same exact thing in this thread, instead of saying your opinion and moving on. So what, you don't like the system, so what I do? I don't care if you like it or hate it. I do care if you continue to shit up a thread discussing the PSP with why you don't think it will be successful, or needs this or that. I don't give a fuck why you think it will or won't be successful, but this is a forum, so you have the right to say that. But once you've said your piece, you should move on, and stop dwelling this thread, hindering real discussion over what you want to keep discussing.
 
DMeisterJ said:
No one is saying your opinion isn't valid.

What is being stated is that you are not going to buy the PSPgo. You don't like the only DD option. And you think the price is high, and then you try to keep on saying the same exact thing in this thread, instead of saying your opinion and moving on. So what, you don't like the system, so what I do? I don't care if you like it or hate it. I do care if you continue to shit up a thread discussing the PSP with why you don't think it will be successful, or needs this or that. I don't give a fuck why you think it will or won't be successful, but this is a forum, so you have the right to say that. But once you've said your piece, you should move on, and stop dwelling this thread, hindering real discussion over what you want to keep discussing.


but yet YOU can come in and spew how YOU think it will be successful, and how YOU will be buying 15 of them....

Seems a pretty hypocritical to me.

If YOU don't like a discussion with a few people who think it's a bad idea, then YOU can leave the thread and YOU can create one that's only the positive views YOU want.
 
Woo-Fu said:
It is called a product line and has worked for just about every consumer electronics company worth naming. The latest tech is at one end of the pricing curve, the older models at the other end. Almost every argument I've seen complaining about the pricing and/or features of the PSP Go is based upon conveniently forgetting that the PSP Go is not intended as a PSP-3000 replacement.

The thing is that this ISN'T the latest tech. It's still the same tech.

You can't create a differentiated product line and just expect it to start selling. There has to be demand for that differentiation first.



And the GBA comparison that makes sense here is the Gameboy Micro. That's what this is, A PSP Micro.
 
What I do know is that if it was the same price as the 3000, I would get one. Is a sexy piece of hardware. With that price, however, I will double dip on Nintendo handheldom and get a DSi.
 
Shig said:
Hm, this is a tricky piece of wording.

I'm skeptical this also means 33% of profit.

Profit does not drive demand, it drives supply. The point that this statistic is relevant to is the demand break down for physical versus digital media.
 
DMeisterJ said:
No one is saying your opinion isn't valid.

What is being stated is that you are not going to buy the PSPgo. You don't like the only DD option. And you think the price is high, and then you try to keep on saying the same exact thing in this thread, instead of saying your opinion and moving on. So what, you don't like the system, so what I do? I don't care if you like it or hate it. I do care if you continue to shit up a thread discussing the PSP with why you don't think it will be successful, or needs this or that. I don't give a fuck why you think it will or won't be successful, but this is a forum, so you have the right to say that. But once you've said your piece, you should move on, and stop dwelling this thread, hindering real discussion over what you want to keep discussing.
Outcast2004 said:
but yet YOU can come in and spew how YOU think it will be successful, and how YOU will be buying 15 of them....

Seems a pretty hypocritical to me.

If YOU don't like a discussion with a few people who think it's a bad idea, then YOU can leave the thread and YOU can create one that's only the positive views YOU want.
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Outcast2004 said:
but yet YOU can come in and spew how YOU think it will be successful, and how YOU will be buying 15 of them....

If YOU don't like a discussion with a few people who think it's a bad idea, then YOU can leave the thread and YOU can create one that's only the positive views YOU want.

Seems a pretty hypocritical to me.

I can come in here and say why it will or won't be successful, same as anyone else can, but to keep on saying it, ad nauseum, after I've said my piece is when a problem would come in. You and your buddy didn't just come in and say what you wanted to say and move on, you're dwelling on it forever, and it's preventing further discussion of the system. I really don't care anymore, because I (and many others) tried to discuss the system, but all I can see is the same two people saying why this is destined to fail. I'll wait to another discussion thread pops up and pray to god that you two don't shit that one up too... x_x

Cheers
 
Evander said:
The thing is that this ISN'T the latest tech. It's still the same tech.

Oh, I wasn't aware the psp-3000 had 16GB of internal ram, bluetooth, and a slide chassis such that it could fit in a shirt pocket comfortably. My bad.
this is sarcasm, btw.
Evander said:
You can't create a differentiated product line and just expect it to start selling. There has to be demand for that differentiation first.

When they enable search it will probably take you all of 3-4 minutes to find posts on this very forum from people who have expressed a desire for any number of the features present in the PSP-3000. That is demand, is it not?

Evander said:
And the GBA comparison that makes sense here is the Gameboy Micro. That's what this is, A PSP Micro.

The GB Micro has more memory than all the other units? It is based upon a digital distribution model instead of physical media? Let's pretend it does fit, I don't see Nintendo crying about poor GB Micro sales, do you?

One can only wonder how you have so much information about the consumer electronics industry that none of the professionals at Sony do. Maybe they're hiring?
 
Evander said:
It's what happens when they run out of rational arguments to defend a bad business decision. It's all ad hominem. They're saying that because we aren't going to buy PSP Go!s, our opinions on them are somehow less valid.

Problem is, you honestly don't know if it is or isn't. So, why not save this until you see some data to back this up. You're passing your opinion as fact which is what's pissing people off.

So, at the moment, you're pissing in the wind. You're asking why would people buy this? Well, why the heck would people buy different colors of systems they already own? Why the heck would people buy a slimmer version of a system they already own? So on and so forth. It's the same thing right? So why buy it again? Who knows. That's stupid right?

People do wild things. The PSP Go is a redesign, offers internal memory in place of a UMD and a complete DD solution for those who want it. If there was no market for it, it wouldn't exist (obviously, there is one because people have been wanting it for years). As with all new versions and electronics, the price will be higher.

If this new model gets more developers on board with the PSP/Go, then it's good for gamers. The PSP software lineup is very good this year and it benefits everyone. There will be a buzz around this new model which will spur business for ALL PSP models.
 
What would the reaction be like if this thing launched at $199? Was that even a possibility for Sony?

I wonder if this is just a quick cash grab by a financially strapped company who will sell this to their hardcore at $249 then drop the price to $199. Not that its without precedent, obviously. And it's not like MS and Nintendo haven't been overcharging for hardware (360 accessories and Wii console come to mind).

I have a first gen PsP and I was looking forward to upgrading, but the price is a total turnoff, and I'm guessing a lot of the bitterness here is from folks who were looking to upgrade as well and think the price is ludicrous.

In the end, Sony is just saving me money anyway. My PsP can download games from the PS Store as well as play UMDs, so I guess I shouldn't complain.
 
didn't read the entire thread, just have a question about the battery life. Has sony stated how long the battery life is in the PSPgo? is it comparable to the old PSP's?
 
Ephemeris said:
this could make the difference between my getting one or not.

Sounds like it could be a bit iffy. I've only got about 25 PSP games but I've been collecting them for many years. Looks like it might only cover a portion of my collection. Will wait and see.
 
5 years ago, the PSP wasn't new tech either. It was existing tech that had been shrunk sufficiently to be reasonably portable. That has always been part of the value proposition of portable electronics - they provide us previous tech that was either only possible as a set-top device or at least much bulkier, now in a more conveniently portable, more easily carryable form.

Existing models of the PSP are not the be all, end all of portability because of their physical bulk and because of the baggage of physical media. There's a new class of portable devices that are truly pocketable, completely eschew content delivery on a physical medium and have robust processing power. This is proving a popular combination of factors for a lot of people interested in portable devices.

Some of you trying to base your arguments in the logic that the PSP Go does not have a "good reason" for existing don't really understand the portable space or its roadmap and, more to the point, are simply making a cognitively dissonant argument about what is nothing but a luxury purchase. There was no "good reason" that justified the purchase of a PSP in the first place, as with any other luxury purchase. What justified the purchase was a subjective set of preferences, nothing more, and the current market for portable entertainment electronics have demonstrated that they can happily justify greater pocketability and pure digital delivery to themselves.

The PSP Go allows the PSP product line to compete in this space, while still leaving the option for anachronistic customers to buy an older model based on earlier benchmarks of the portable space.
 
Sage00 said:
$100 to Apple.

If Apple jumped off a bridge, should Sony?

The fact that consumers will pay for overpriced iPods doesn't mean that they will also necessarily pay for overpriced PSPs.
 
kaching said:
5 years ago, the PSP wasn't new tech either. It was existing tech that had been shrunk sufficiently to be reasonably portable. That has always been part of the value proposition of portable electronics - they provide us previous tech that was either only possible as a set-top device or at least much bulkier, now in a more conveniently portable, more easily carryable form.

Existing models of the PSP are not the be all, end all of portability because of their physical bulk and because of the baggage of physical media. There's a new class of portable devices that are truly pocketable, completely eschew content delivery on a physical medium and have robust processing power. This is proving a popular combination of factors for a lot of people interested in portable devices.

Some of you trying to base your arguments in the logic that the PSP Go does not have a "good reason" for existing don't really understand the portable space or its roadmap and, more to the point, are simply making a cognitively dissonant argument about what is nothing but a luxury purchase. There was no "good reason" that justified the purchase of a PSP in the first place, as with any other luxury purchase. What justified the purchase was a subjective set of preferences, nothing more, and the current market for portable entertainment electronics have demonstrated that they can happily justify greater pocketability and pure digital delivery to themselves.

The PSP Go allows the PSP product line to compete in this space, while still leaving the option for anachronistic customers to buy an older model based on earlier benchmarks of the portable space.


exactly!
 
kaching said:
5 years ago, the PSP wasn't new tech either. It was existing tech that had been shrunk sufficiently to be reasonably portable. That has always been part of the value proposition of portable electronics - they provide us previous tech that was either only possible as a set-top device or at least much bulkier, now in a more conveniently portable, more easily carryable form.

Existing models of the PSP are not the be all, end all of portability because of their physical bulk and because of the baggage of physical media. There's a new class of portable devices that are truly pocketable, completely eschew content delivery on a physical medium and have robust processing power. This is proving a popular combination of factors for a lot of people interested in portable devices.

Some of you trying to base your arguments in the logic that the PSP Go does not have a "good reason" for existing don't really understand the portable space or its roadmap and, more to the point, are simply making a cognitively dissonant argument about what is nothing but a luxury purchase. There was no "good reason" that justified the purchase of a PSP in the first place, as with any other luxury purchase. What justified the purchase was a subjective set of preferences, nothing more, and the current market for portable entertainment electronics have demonstrated that they can happily justify greater pocketability and pure digital delivery to themselves.

The PSP Go allows the PSP product line to compete in this space, while still leaving the option for anachronistic customers to buy an older model based on earlier benchmarks of the portable space.

Thumbs up!
 
I just bought Crisis Core and Chains of Olympus for 20 each at target yesterday. I hope this trade-in program is actually true.

So GAF will I have a pleasant vacation with my PSP? :lol :lol
 
I'm way, way late to getting into this discussion, but I'll step in with redundant, amateur analysis anyway.

re kaching: To me, the one concern I have is simply that I'm not sure how this sells software. The old, clunky hardware was selling well enough, so that wasn't the problem. Consequently, this thing only really makes sense as a means of revitalizing the brand if they think that people will actually want to take this smaller iteration with them on the go (oh, I see what they did there) and use it consistently, and therefore purchase more titles through digital distribution. This, or course, is a concession that piracy wasn't their problem before, and that the problem was that people just didn't want to ever use the system after the initial honeymoon phase due to its portability limitations.

I'm not sure if I buy into this as the revitalization strategy, but I'm happy they're trying something. I always did like the platform, but I don't think I've dusted it off since Hot Shots 2 came out for it.
 
Evander said:
As for the UI, I haven't used an iPod for a few years, but what I'm getting at is that most of the PMPs out there allow you to sort your music using the tags on it, so you can look up things by album, or by artist, or by genre, not just by what folder you put it in.

you dont even know what you are talking about man :lol
 
Steve Youngblood said:
I'm way, way late to getting into this discussion, but I'll step in with redundant, amateur analysis anyway.

re kaching: To me, the one concern I have is simply that I'm not sure how this sells software. The old, clunky hardware was selling well enough, so that wasn't the problem. Consequently, this thing only really makes sense as a means of revitalizing the brand if they think that people will actually want to take this smaller iteration with them on the go (oh, I see what they did there) and use it consistently, and therefore purchase more titles through digital distribution. This, or course, is a concession that piracy wasn't their problem before, and that the problem was that people just didn't want to ever use the system after the initial honeymoon phase due to its portability limitations.

I'm not sure if I buy into this as the revitalization strategy, but I'm happy they're trying something. I always did like the platform, but I don't think I've dusted it off since Hot Shots 2 came out for it.
One of the main reasons is that with PSP Go users cannot pirate and cannot buy used games (this is perhaps bigger than the piracy aspect). They are forced to buy new software. Furthermore they must buy it through Sony's store which will increase the amount of money both they and developers receive by cutting out the retailer, hopefully creating more software for the platform, which will increase sales, and so on.
 
Evander said:
If Apple jumped off a bridge, should Sony?

The fact that consumers will pay for overpriced iPods doesn't mean that they will also necessarily pay for overpriced PSPs.

Being overpriced is in the eye of the beholder though, and not every consumer knows what the individual price of a specific component costs.

If the iPod is so overpriced, why are so many consumers buying it?
 
spwolf said:
you dont even know what you are talking about man :lol

I use my Zune constantly, though. ;)



The point is, the PSP doesn't have the UI that it would need to seriously compete with the iPod as a music player.
 
gamerecks said:
Being overpriced is in the eye of the beholder though, and not every consumer knows what the individual price of a specific component costs.

If the iPod is so overpriced, why are so many consumers buying it?

But individual consumers can see the Go sitting on the shelf next to the 3000, and see the price difference there.
 
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