PSP Go? 249.99!!!!
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LaserBuddha said:
I don't know that I believe that Piracy is so convenient, though. Hunting around for files and editing code, I'd imagine that if these people are willing to put in that kind of work, then their primary motivation is something OTHER THAN pure convenience.
Digital downloads also lose certain conveniences that physical media has. The convenience of salvage values and being able to loan or trade with friends, for one. The fact that not everyone has reliable high speed internet access for two.
fatigues_gasolini
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Evander said:
Well, specifically, I was addressing the comment on a more expensive PS3 Slim. Are you talking about the PS3 or PSPGo?
What does the PSPGo do less than a 3000?
There are concerns with performance (not predictable, and lots of fake media out there that can be dog slow), people copying around memory-states turning this into emulator style save-state feature(which essentially breaks some games), and it could very likely lead to more hacking vulnerabilities.Evander said:
You can argue first two are user-issues, but the last one is obviously not something that can be ignored, especially on PSP of all platforms.
Then again, if a system feature exists, it's a high chance homebrew people will eventually make it work on older models, replacing the current unstable implementation of their own (amusingly this happened in the past with ISO loaders too - it wasn't until Sony put official one into FW that CFW got a 100% stable ISO loader).
Of course it's also possible they didn't make this as a software function at all.
That's how they did it so far (1k missed out only on features that were impossible due to ram limitations).
You can't resell - but you can trade/loan with friends better then with UMDs (5 people can share a single game at the same time).
Cruzader said:
but there are some devices that have a better scratch resistant surface. I'm saying this without any hands on with the go, for all we know it could have a better surface, but the psp-1000 and 2000 (dont own a 3000) were scratch magnets
edit.. and hell, then it would cost 251.98...
Fafalada said:
That's fair enough. If it turns out that they do this without using the internal 16gigs then I'll probably take issue again, but for the time being I think what you're saying makes sense.
Sure, all you have to do is temporarily give your friend access to your credit card, or at least any money sitting in your wallet. Also, you'll want to go in and change your password before and after. You also have to consider that your friend might download more than just the one game that you've told them to go ahead and download.
It is more convenient, and less risky, to simply hand a copy of a game to another person. It doesn't involve changing your account settings multiple times, and the worst case scenario is that they obscond with the game. With PSN game-sharing, you are looking at a worst case scenario of them stealing your PSN account entirely and running up your credit card bill.
5 people playing a game at once is neat, but the effot and risk involved are high, and it is also a rather supplier-negative thing (esentially, they are losing four sales. if you were to lend out a physical game, and then still want to play it, you'd have to buy another copy.) If PSN game sharing ever where to become popular outside of niche internet enthusiast communities, I'd imagine that the feature would either be removed/limited, or else game prices would increase to compensate.
Insane Metal
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Ahahahaha oh Sony
krae_man said:
It's not just VAT. You also have to consider that exchange rates are a pretty arbitrary measure in terms of their direct relevance to the general consumer who does not import products.
A better index to convert on would be CPI or wage rates. I think that both of those would bring you prices that are a little closer.
That said, 250 Euros is STILL outrageous.
PSP was first released in 2004. Just about all new firmware features have thus far been supported across all the PSP models that have been introduced in the last 5 years. That's a pretty good track record for supporting their product line, including older models.Evander said:
Zune was first released in 2006. Let's see where it stands in another 2 years. Are all the "software" features of the new Zune HD that's coming out also going to be supported on older models?
After 5 years, if the biggest claim towards "forced" obsolescence is one missing firmware feature, then you really need some perspective.
Someone wake me up when I can get it for $179 or less... or they pack in something really good to make up for that price.
Within a month or two, a 16GB iPod Touch (newer hardware internals, more complex) will be at $199 with a capacitive touch screen. There's just no way to justify $249 for what it is.
Within a month or two, a 16GB iPod Touch (newer hardware internals, more complex) will be at $199 with a capacitive touch screen. There's just no way to justify $249 for what it is.
kaching said:
Well, that's a rather dumb question, seeing as the ZuneHD isn't out yet, and no announcements have been made either way. Rest assured, though, that if thh ZuneHD has non-hardware limited features that they aren't upgrading older Zunes with, I'll make a stink about that too.
I can tell you, though, that an updated 1st generation Zune can do ANYTHING that any other model of Zune currently on the market can do, other utilize touch controls on it's d-pad, or output to TV through componant cables (the 30s can only do it through composite) both or which are hardware limitations.
SUpershoCK
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It should be the same price as the 3000 since you're giving up the ability to play your legacy UMD's. If it's not replacing the 3000, why not add that second analogue stick?
I put some more thought in to the "pirates will enjoy the convenience of digital downloads" argument, and honestly, I think it is a bit backwards.
The fact is, the initial introduction of digital downloads ALREADY reduced piracy. There were some percentage of pirates who wanted digital copies, and wouldn't have minded paying for them, but that simply wasn't an option that they had at the time. We know this through analysis of iTunes music sales versus music piracy levels.
Whatever initial effect that this has on piracy, though, it is ALREADY in effect. The pirates who continue to ply their trade, despite the existance of digital distribution, aren't going to come around. These are folks who want something for nothing. If you close a system they are not going to give up and buy in, they are going to take the time that they would have spent playing pirated games, and devote it to working on cracking your closed system.
For the pirates who are left, it's not about the convenience, it's about either the price, or the fact that they actually get a thrill out of the whole piracy aspect.
The fact is, the initial introduction of digital downloads ALREADY reduced piracy. There were some percentage of pirates who wanted digital copies, and wouldn't have minded paying for them, but that simply wasn't an option that they had at the time. We know this through analysis of iTunes music sales versus music piracy levels.
Whatever initial effect that this has on piracy, though, it is ALREADY in effect. The pirates who continue to ply their trade, despite the existance of digital distribution, aren't going to come around. These are folks who want something for nothing. If you close a system they are not going to give up and buy in, they are going to take the time that they would have spent playing pirated games, and devote it to working on cracking your closed system.
For the pirates who are left, it's not about the convenience, it's about either the price, or the fact that they actually get a thrill out of the whole piracy aspect.
The fact that PSP Go is using Memory Stick Micro (not Memory Stick Duo) is also a big fail. An overpriced memory format that nobody else in any device will use, except a small handful of bad point and shoot cameras(at most)? Even Sony Ericsson is embracing SD cards now and ditching Memory Stick, and they force Go users into a more obscure memory stick? Ugh...
nerbo said:
I wonder if Sony corporate policy required them to add a new obscure proprietary format to the device since they were removing UMD.
Seriously, Sony's refusal to accept the fact when their proprietary formats fail is almost as bad as MSoft's inability to accept the fact that Google is (and probably always will be) better at making web stuff then they are.
RuneFactoryFanboy
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Thanks for posting this.Gamecocks625 said:
Uhg. Why does this cost $250?!?!? I want it SOOOO badly.
If I don't have to wait a kajillion years for a white model then I might just bite. I'm already trying to figure out ways I can come up with the money for one. I have a 3000 now and 4 UMD games, I wonder how much cash I could get for it all. Maybe I could sell some of my old Gamecube games or something.
I haven't been keeping up too much on this, does it still have AV out?
It's kind of sad some of you don't understand the significance of size and weight to somebody who travels a lot. Between work and school I'm seldom home and more often than not leave my 3000 at home because I don't want to lug the brick in my pocket all day. A PSP that is smaller, lighter, lets me carry my entire game catalog, and dosen't look like a kids toy when I whip it out is exactly what I want.
SUpershoCK
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Agreed. I have about 50 UMDs. I'd like to play them on the Go *legally*. Even if I have to re-buy them in digital format, Sony should at least give me a steep discount on the downloads.Oni Jazar said:
RuneFactoryFanboy said:
You can carry your entire catalog just as easily with a 3000.
And, let's be honest, the Go! looks at much like a kids toy as any other PSP model. The "toy" perception isn't because of looks, it's because people actually see kids playing with them. When some one's exposure to a device is that primarily kids use it, then they are going to view it as a "toy", regardless of design.
As far as the value of size to some one who travels, what kind of traveling do you do where you don't have some kind of bag or briefcase with you?
TouchMyBox
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fuuck... that video looks really freaking good.
I may buy if they don't jack up the price for canada.
I may buy if they don't jack up the price for canada.
http://www.play.com/Games/PSP/4-/10287942/Sony-PSP-Go/Product.html#
That better not be the UK price Sony.
That better not be the UK price Sony.
SUpershoCK
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True. But now with a hardware SKU that has no UMD drive, they MUST do it if they want me to be completely satisfied. I realize some kind of a trade-in or discount program could face several roadblocks, but I still want it BAD. Can I deal with having to use my 1000, 2000 or 3000 to play my UMD's? Sure. But it would be so sweet if I could have ALL my PSP games on memory cards without resorting to illegal methods.Evander said:
Katana_Strikes
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Sage00 said:
Hopefully (surely?) a placeholder price and just going off a straight US/Euro price conversion.
Kaz said it would retail for the same price as the original PSP, which was £179.
SUpershoCK said:
that's fine. i'm just saying that wanting your games digitaaly doesn't justify the absurdly bad logic of this product, because this product doesn't do anything different in that regard from all of it's predecessors.
edit: to continue my analogy from the specultation thread, if you put the PSP 300 in the position of the GBA SP, then what Sony is doing here is releasing a Gameboy Micro, and trying to pass it off as a DS.
brain_stew
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Sage00 said:
:lol :lol :lol
That's got to be over cautious speculation on the behalf of Play.com right, right?
You're the one that initiated an apples to oranges comparison (again) of two products lines that have been on the market for significantly different durations in an attempt to make an argument about forced obsolescence. At 3 yrs into the life of the PSP product line, firmware was identical for the models that had been introduced, except for features incorporated to support hardware updates, just like Zune.Evander said:
5 years after the release of the PSP and you've got one firmware feature that may not be hardware dependent that won't be the same across models...that's hardly enough evidence to carp about planned obsolescence, esp. when *you* are simultaneously trying to argue that it's the PSPGo that is lacking in features compared to the earlier models.
kaching said:
First off, it was speculation, not an argument
secondly, I dropped it before you even responded to it (read the thread, man)
And, for the record, this wouldn't be the first software feature not updated to older PSPs. The PSP 1000s still don't support internet radio or skype, to my knowledge. (this may have to do with memory limitations, of course, which was eventually what I've accepted as the likely reason for the XMB limitation in the 3000, for the record.)
kaching said:
Again, you're arguing against points that I'm not making.
I'm not the one who is saying that PSPs are viewed as toys. I'm just explaining that if they are in a certain area, it's not because fo their design, it's because of the exposure of the one doing the percieving.
I think that the design of the entire PSP line conforms just fine to conceptions about electronics for adults.
has there been any hands on reviews specifically tailored towards how comfortable it is to play games on it. I'm watching the above video and I still cant get a grip on how comfortable the nub is to get to. I would gather the d-pad and buttons are much more comfortable then the psp (rock band unplugged is killing man hands) but not sure of the nub
Baron Aloha
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Forgive me if I'm just echoing what others have already said but...
I don't get what people are so upset about. I think the price is fine for what it does. A 16gb ipod Touch costs $300. This will play music and movies just like the touch plus it will play games that are actually good. $50 + the PSPs library seems like a fair tradeoff for the touch screen IMO. I might actually replace my current ipod Touch with this.
I wonder how many of the people complaining about the price didn't complain when Nintendo opted to charge $170 (or $180 or whatever) for the DSi.
IMO Sony is positioning the PSPGo to go up against the iPod and Zune and not so much against the DS as they were before.
Heck it will probably be $199 within a year anyway.
I don't get what people are so upset about. I think the price is fine for what it does. A 16gb ipod Touch costs $300. This will play music and movies just like the touch plus it will play games that are actually good. $50 + the PSPs library seems like a fair tradeoff for the touch screen IMO. I might actually replace my current ipod Touch with this.
I wonder how many of the people complaining about the price didn't complain when Nintendo opted to charge $170 (or $180 or whatever) for the DSi.
IMO Sony is positioning the PSPGo to go up against the iPod and Zune and not so much against the DS as they were before.
Heck it will probably be $199 within a year anyway.
BlueTsunami
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When it comes to music playback, the PSP is the clunkiest of the three. It plays games and a hoge poge of other shit thrown in that it does averagely (Music, Pictures, Internet Browsing). Also, this thing seems worse than the original PSP (as far as browsing your tracks) since you have to flip up the screen to reach the DPad.
If I had to choose between an iPod Touch, Zune or PSP Go! the choice is clear (not the PSP).
Baron Aloha said:
When it comes to music playback, the PSP is the clunkiest of the three. It plays games and a hoge poge of other shit thrown in that it does averagely (Music, Pictures, Internet Browsing). Also, this thing seems worse than the original PSP (as far as browsing your tracks) since you have to flip up the screen to reach the DPad.
If I had to choose between an iPod Touch, Zune or PSP Go! the choice is clear (not the PSP).
gcubed said:
kotaku had something
http://kotaku.com/5276210/psp-go-hands+on-impressions
they basically say that it is no better than 2000/3000, but also no worse
Baron Aloha said:
The PSP isn't an iPod. This has been Sony's issue since they first started designing the device.
If they want to go up against the iPod, raising the price isn't what it takes (and theorettically, charging less would actually be beneficial. Rememebr, they don't have touch screen costs that they have to cover.) They would need to improve the way in which the device sorts and stores media. It's not that the current system under the XMB is bad, it's just that it isn't as quickly intuitive as a device that is designed AS a PMP is.
Future PhaZe
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Fucking ridiculous honestly. I understand that its a handheld, but if I can get a Wii or 360 for around the same price as your product your doing it wrong.
BlueTsunami said:
I hadn't even thought of that, but yeah, that will be a real issue in terms of competing with mp3 players. The goal of an mp3 player interface should be to minimize the number of actions that a user has to take to get between where the device is currently set, and the song that they want to listen to. Having to slide out the d-pad is an automatic extra step every time.
Tobor said:
I might, if someone can make a compelling argument as to why I should pay a premium for a feature stripped PSP. The new DD only games will download just fine on my old PSP, I can buy a 16 GB stick for cheap, and piracy is Sony's battle to fight, not mine.
If this were $149 (or preferably $129), I might bite. Definitely not at $249.
I have no problem with the 250 price tag, they just need to make it more accessible. It should come with video converting software. As it as now, to put your own movies on it, you have to jump through so many hoops, it's crazy. The music transfers isn't as much of a mess as the video, but it's up there. You have to create the folders in the right locations and drag and drop, it seems so 90's at this point. Make a sync tool or some kind of interface. If you want to compete with the iPod, make it as easy to use as an iPod.