PSP vs. DS - One Year From Now

WindyMan

Junior Member
Right now, it's really, really hard to recommend the DS over the PSP. The PSP looks amazing, and it makes the DS look like a cereal box toy. The screen and graphics on the PSP are unbelieveable. Some of the better games (Lumines, Wipeout) are very, very good. One of the reasons why I'm not getting a PSP for now is because I can see into the future. (Well, the primary reason why I'm not getting one right now is because it would cost be god damn $400 altogether. I can wait for the improved hardware and battery that will come in the next gen PSPs, and the hardware and software are cheaper. Though, it's a hard wait, having seen 10+ people at the workplace get one first thing.)

But about the future. Let me tell you a little story about my Nintendo DS. Like many DS owners here, when I first got it, I was amazed that a game like Metroid Prime Hunters could run on this little handheld. It took me a while to accept that fact, and then after a few weeks I was over the euphoria of something running graphics as good as the DS does. I've seen much better graphics on the PS2, Xbox and GameCube (Resident Evil 4 basically ruined any good looks the DS games had). The PSP is making the DS look that much "worse," but that is partially because the PSP currently has no equal in the handheld market.

But don't try to kid yourself: The PSP is a PS2. Every single game on the PSP could be done on the PS2 and vice-versa. When the PS3 comes out and your PS2 games start to look a little old, your PSP games will start to look a little old. Even the new PSP games for the time will look like really good PS2 games, and at that time, really good PS2 games will look like N64 games when compared to the games for the PS3 and other next-gen systems. It makes no difference that it's a handheld, because after the general euphoria that the first few months of a new system's release wears off, you're going to be left with a portable PS2, and you've already seen what the PS2 can do.

The PSP probably still has a year before people will really catch wind about what the next gen games will be about, especially the Xbox 360's (since it should already be out by then). By then, the "wow" factor of the PSP's graphics should go away, and then we're back to the debate of which portable gives people the best gameplay experience. Both the DS and PSP have wireless multiplayer and are going to be online, so you can't use that arguement. (Aside: It would be sweet if you could play online games against the PSP and DS at the same time.) Both are probably going to have the same games from the same publishers (see the new games announced in the latest NP if you're unsure about 3rd party support), with the difference that each version would be modified to take advantage of each system's unique properties.

And this is where the DS will have the advantage in the long run.

For many top games, if it comes out for the console, it will come out for the handhelds. The PSP version would be a simple port-down from the PS3 version, minus any features the PS3 version would have due to the console hardware. The DS version would need to be built from scratch (or "ported" from the Revolution version), and might be able to retain many of the features found in the other versions, because the second screen and/or touch screen could be used as a substitute control panel or display. If voice recognition technology starts taking off (the Xbox 2 and Revolution will probably have microphones as some form of input), the DS already has that covered, while the PSP could never do something like that.

Granted, a PSP version will always look better than a DS version, but when it's already been determined that the PSP's graphics will be likely be dated at this time, the one with the better gameplay will ultimately win out. It's been this way ever since handhelds were in existance.

In a year from now, DS developers will understand that rubbing the touch screen in the same boring way doesn't do anything particularly useful. (In fact, it hinders gameplay some because of always needing to have the stylus in your hand.) Hopefully, Nintendo and other developers will get some really awesome games for the DS after the first year. Yoshi and Meteos are great examples of stuff that is impossible to do on a traditional handheld. Reggie himself says that only 30% of the DS's potential has been realized, whereas the PSP's games are really just PS2 games, and those types of games are starting to show their limits in terms of overall variety.

Don't get me wrong, though, there are still plenty of awesome PS2/PSP games coming out. The only problem with that is that they'll probably come out on both the PSP and the PS2, and whether or not they are direct ports of each other, if the same type of game is on both the PSP and the PS2/PS3, you're only going to buy one, and that's going to hurt Sony in the long run. If you really wanted a handheld version of a game you have on the console (and Sony hasn't done anything useful with making PS2/3 games and PSP games share save files), more than likely people will get a DS version if what it offers is different than the likely cookie-cutter ports the PSP will get in the future.

Will there be PSP exclusives? Yes. Will there be DS exclusives (especially from Nintendo)? Yes. That's not the issue. The point I'm trying to make here is that down the road, for the games that are on all the systems, all three consoles and the two (or three, GBA2 pending) handhelds, the PSP version will mirror the console version you probably will already own, and the DS version will offer a different version of the same game. Therefore, if you were going to get a handheld game, people will be more likely to get it on the DS.

I've neglected to mention the fact that the PSP does more than games, as it also does movies, media, music, and all that other stuff. Personally, I think that's awesome. However, if you really wanted to, you could do all that stuff on the DS (and GBA) via the GB Media Player or Play-Yan. Of course, the PSP just blows them both out of the water in terms of quality, but at least DS owners have the option available. The PSP will appeal to more of the disposable income market because of these features, but Nintendo wants to go after everyone else (which is a much larger market last time I checked) with the DS. So in that sense, the two really aren't competing with each other directly.

So for right now, the PSP is in the spotlight. It's going to be that way until the end of the year. To all you DS owners, there's really no point in trying to aruge this, because the hype and style that the PSP has at the moment is just too good. Just remember, next year when the games for the PSP and the DS really start coming, the one with the better gameplay experience should ultimately win out, and that should favor the DS because of its unique features.
 
I predict one of them will do better than the other
sony will purchase logitech
microsoft will purchase sony
n-gage 2 will defeat the DS, PSP, and GBA 2
a cookie accross the pacific will crumble and a lone child will cry at night over such loss
 
ManaByte said:
You wrote all of that just to convince yourself that you don't need a PSP? Wow.

Some people just don't have the money and need to find any way they can to convince themselves they dont want / need it. :lol :lol
 
Decent read... like a stream of conciousness on the PSP buying/rejection process or something :p

I think the PSP will be edging a lead in a years time, but the DS will have won good support with it's head start and unique games for it, online and off, will have reared their heads. I think they'll both be worth owning. I also think that DS will have differentiated itself enough for the introduction of GBA2 to happen without causing outrage.

I actually do think Nokia will make headway in games eventually.
 
This is a nice "little engine that could" story where the little engine is played by a fairly boring handheld with ugly graphics. It goes completely off the tracks when you describe the likely "superior" version of the DS 3rd party games and the media capabilities one could shoehorn into the little screen. But it's a pretty cool rationalization up until then.

Look, when the DS launched, we had a lot of people happy and a lot of threads about it. The PSP has now launched. People are a little happier because technologically speaking it's more impressive and it has better games. Soon, there will probably be more Nintendo games and the DS happy people can be happy again instead of trolling the PSP or making predictions about why what will win what in 2-3 years.

It's just too early to say business wise. Really. And hardware wise, we can all just go with what makes us happy.
 
I honestly think the PSP will dominate the market for people 18+ looking for a media device (besides mp3 players). Every person I showed at work was completely floored by it, whether it be for games or movies. It's the first handheld that doesnt feel/look like a kids toy. The price isn't bad at all for the amount of use you can get out of it besides games.
 
you're right about the PSP games being possible on consoles, but in the end it will get exclusives from Sony and others...

like why don't they port Lumines, I don't know the details of the game, but I know it tries to combine puzzle and music, sounds like an intriguing game, but I'm not going to get a PSP (even if I didn't hate Sony, I doubt I would get one for that price) for it...

it would be great if they ported it to consoles (though not only PS2, but at least either GCN or XBox in addition to PS2)... imagine the experience in 5.1 surround or Dobly Pro-Logic II, if the experiences people have with the game are already Zen-like, imagine on a big-screen with all the lights turned off and just you and the game, sounds like it could be cool...

but I don't see them doing it cause the game didn't really do well, and they probably think it won't find an audience in consoles considering it's a puzzle game...
 
A better thread title would have been: PSP and DS: A year from now.

I don't see why everyone must turn this into a competition, both handhelds will succeed, both will have killer games. What does that mean for us? More and better games to choose from.
 
koam said:
A better thread title would have been: PSP and DS: A year from now.

I don't see why everyone must turn this into a competition, both handhelds will succeed, both will have killer games. What does that mean for us? More and better games to choose from.
Because nintendo fucking sucks and needs to die. They're a nuisance to the gaming industry, and must be taken out.

The PSP is the final solution to the nintendo problem, in a lot of people's minds, I guess. :/
 
When the PS3 comes out the DS will still look like a low-resolution PSOne.

Unique features don't ever guarantee a "better" gameplay experience; in fact, it could be argued with equal vigor that "standard" features lead to better gameplay because developers have had more experience with them and can effectively realize their potential in deeper scenarios. Different isn't always better, or even good.
 
ManaByte said:
No, because by then Nintendo will have announced the GBA2 and the DS will be abaondoned :)

I WISH!

The fact is that thee are a ton of awesome games due out for release on the DS:

Shin Megami Tensei
Viewtiful Joe
Fushigi no Dungeon
Boktai
Mystical Ninja
Vandal Hearts
World Soccer Winning Eleven
Harvest Moon
The Legend of the River King
Lunar
Baten Kaitos
Katamari Damacy
Pac 'n Roll
Xenosaga
Advance Wars DS
Animal Crossing DS
Another
Jam With the Band
Jump Superstars
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords
Mario Kart DS
Metroid Prime Hunters
New Super Mario Bros.
Touch! Kirby's Magic Paintbrush
Dragon Quest Monsters
Sonic DS
Final Fantasy III
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
Secret of Mana
Slime Morimori Dragon Quest
Bubble Bobble Revolution
Bomberman DS
 
WindyMan said:
But don't try to kid yourself: The PSP is a PS2.

I stopped here. Laughed. Then I had an idea! Tried to insert a PS2 DVD into my PSP, got frusturated and walked away.

Then I said "Hey, PSP is a portable PS2. Everything on GBA could be done on SNES and N64 and PS2! It must be a portable version of one of those! So I tried inserting those discs into GBA - that was even more difficult! I must admit I did some damage, but all in the name of science.
 
Monk said:
As much an idiot the original poster is, you just topped him Amy.

I'm sorry, I was illustrating how fucking stupid the point is. You know what an illustration is, right? Good. I don't have to teach you then.
 
(This is just a guess obviously) but............

The PSP is a bit more advanced with it's features and graphics, but if a few years down the road the tables tip towards the PSP's favor it wont be only because of this advantage.

After reading the "After Yoshi, what's the next DS game worth picking up?" thread it seems clear to me the uber focus on Nintendo developed DS games and 3rd party games seeming to be a second thought, the situation may cause 3rd party devlopers to the PSP to compete for sales in a market a bit more leveled.

Ok Nintendo fans, you may start your attack on me in 1, 2 3..........ok begin!!
 
One year from now we'll see overwhelming support from devlopers creating "proper" high budget games with unmatched presentation for PSP.

Every important developer will be onboard making orginal games for the system. Mt dream would be for Rare to put there N64 games on the thing, obviously improved graphically. MS could make a healthy buck
 
DJ Sl4m said:
(This is just a guess obviously) but............

The PSP is a bit more advanced with it's features and graphics, but if a few years down the road the tables tip towards the PSP's favor it wont be only because of this advantage.

After reading the "After Yoshi, what's the next DS game worth picking up?" thread it seems clear to me the uber focus on Nintendo developed DS games and 3rd party games seeming to be a second thought, the situation may cause 3rd party devlopers to the PSP to compete for sales in a market a bit more leveled.

Ok Nintendo fans, you may start your attack on me in 1, 2 3..........ok begin!!

The problem is not that the DS fans are only focusing on the nintendo games.

The problem is that all the western DS games atm absolutely suck, and none of the big 3rd party games have made it over yet. (except for sprung, arguably)

Hell, few of the big 1st party games have made it over..
 
Amir0x said:
DS is awesome. PSP is awesome. One year from now... they'll both be more awesome!

I know a guy like you, all the chicks love him and he owns all 3 current gen consoles. COINCIDENCE, I THINK NOT.
 
Bob White said:
One year from now (maybe sooner) -> GTA

No franchise has been consistently popular between a handheld and a console, except in some cases, the Mario adventure games. Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy haven't been too spectacular on portables, and Pokemon's console foothold isn't amazing either. I'm sure GTA will be good on PSP, but if it's a GTA3-like game, it probably won't affect the war too much.
 
GaimeGuy said:
The problem is not that the DS fans are only focusing on the nintendo games.

The problem is that all the western DS games atm absolutely suck, and none of the big 3rd party games have made it over yet. (except for sprung, arguably)

Hell, few of the big 1st party games have made it over..

Ahhhhhhhhh, I see, that's could be the answer then.
I haven't followed the release list for either, I just noticed how 3rd party games were almost an afterthought in that thread, it reminded me of the last few Nentendo and Sega console scenarios.
 
Depends if there is a Pokémon out for it pretty much. If Pokémon comes out, its guaranteed to sell at least a million DS units on the spot. The PSP will do the same for the new Grand Theft Auto (unless people somehow get sick of it)

DS

I see this one year from now (March 2006) being ahead by 5 million units worldwide at least. Its cheaper and like I said, the really good games are trickling on to it and we don't even know E3. New Super Mario Bros. will be a huge seller. Mario Advance 1 sold 2 million for the GBA. That with Pokémon Pearl (I think that is the one) and a few other killer apps under their sleeve (we'll know at E3), will cement DS's future as a positive one. I think even with the GBA2 coming out in a couple of years, the DS will fare well as a machine, perhaps having a healthy life after the GBA2's release (Depending on the Nintendo support it gets).

The media will cream their pants over the PSP but consumers will react differently. Nintendo will play up their software advantages and will play them well. I think we're going to sell a lot of good shit at E3.

PSP

It will have its place over time but will not defeat the DS in a crushing blow like people want or think. Its biggest obstacle at first is the price but I expect Sony to whip out some big guns at E3. Its going to be one hell of a fight between the two on equal ground. Expect probably the best gaming has to offer in a while. Two competitors on equal ground fiercely fighting it out.
 
Off the top of my head, I can think of eight good games that have been released for the DS in japan that have not made it over to the states yet:

Meteos
Egg Monster Heroes
Kirby
Harvest Moon DS
Another Code
Polarium
Pac Pix
Band Brothers
 
CVXFREAK said:
I'm sure GTA will be good on PSP, but if it's a GTA3-like game, it probably won't affect the war too much.


Unless....


... they add a unique multiplayer experience, lifting the franchise up a notch.
 
rareside said:
Unless....


... they add a unique multiplayer experience, lifting the franchise up a notch.

Perhaps, but wouldn't GTA Online on the PS3/Xbox2/Revolution be a better solution?

GaimeGuy said:
*gets hypnotized by CVX's avatar*

:lol:lol

Someone wanna make me a better version without the stupid UNREGISTERED banner?
 
Fuck these predictions. The circle-jerk of PSP boys predict PSP will be a force to beckon with within a year or two (or three) and then the DS boys say to wait till the big games hit. As far as I know, PSP is getting an embrassing slap in the face right now. Those people that laud the PSP for it's technical abilities are just stupifying the simple fact that PSP is being pussy-whipped (again, at the moment) by a piece of hardware that is one generation behind specs wise.
 
Psp is clearly the better handheld but I just dont see an audience for it. The userbase they built with ps1 and 2 is not the same kind of following nintendo has. I cant imagine someone buying it for a child, especially at that price.
 
speedpop said:
Fuck these predictions. The circle-jerk of PSP boys predict PSP will be a force to beckon with within a year or two (or three) and then the DS boys say to wait till the big games hit. As far as I know, PSP is getting an embrassing slap in the face right now. Those people that laud the PSP for it's technical abilities are just stupifying the simple fact that PSP is being pussy-whipped (again, at the moment) by a piece of hardware that is one generation behind specs wise.

You should think about doing stand-up; you're hilarious. :)
 
PSP is great. Got to play it more today. Fantastic hardware. My only main gripes now are the d-pad isn't so hot (the DS one is better) and friggin' PSP games are not fully encased.

The DS is treading water right now, but I think by year's end its going to be worth every penny (Mario Kart, Advance Wars DS, Final Fantasy III, DS Online Network, Castlevania, Nintendogs, Animal Crossing, Boktai, etc.) and then some IMO.

So really I think they're both great products and there's room for both. The DS will probably get to $99 first too, so it'll probably serve as a portable for those who don't want to break the bank either.
 
I still think that PSP's best feature is as a memory stick video viewer and I doubt Nintendo will compete with this feature unless they are allying with another electronics maker.
 
acidviper said:
I still think that PSP's best feature is as a memory stick video viewer and I doubt Nintendo will compete with this feature unless they are allying with another electronics maker.

Well the DS/GBA technically already have this functionality directly from Nintendo via Play Yan.

But yeah I agree. Nintendo needs to get on the phone with Apple. Get i-Tunes/Quicktime on the Game Boy Next, maybe some NES Classic titles onto i-Pod models, etc.

And Apple shouldn't be concerned about the PSP, but they shouldn't be sleeping on it either, if Sony ever puts a HDD in that thing ... look the fuck out.
 
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