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Eff Raja!
Im no wrestling pro, but the slam seemed ok too (I think). But maybe the slam was way harder and worse than usual because when wrestlers do that kind of move it does look pretty real as opposed to something deadly like a piledriver you can tell is way off from a mile away. Some of those Mr Wonderful pile drivers, he did them at practically 45 degree angles and the guys head was basically touching his cock.At first I thought it was a set up. The slam looked rather well executed and then I thought it was a bit of a hit but then it became clear right after that, something was clearly wrong.
Crazy stuff
I have a feeling that this guy is just going to end up getting way more clout now that this has blown up. The wrestler will probably not press charges and prosecutors won't give a shit about something like this.
Yeah, I have a similar feeling.I have a feeling that this guy is just going to end up getting way more clout now that this has blown up. The wrestler will probably not press charges and prosecutors won't give a shit about something like this.
Pretty much.Yeah, I have a similar feeling.
I think he deserves prison time, but I always thought there's some special laws in mutual combat once you cross the ropes or enter the ring, even in scripted events.
Like, I remember when some fans have jumped in and attacked wrestlers before, and got their asses kicked/head stomped/slammed, and it was tough sh*t when it came to press any charges.
Obviously it's within reason, but instead of felony assault, it goes down to something lesser. I really know f all though.
Also they agreed to have a 'match up' beforehand, so that may give him a little room legally.
They guy is an animal though, and belongs in a cage.(and I don't mean the octogon)
I believe it was the case. Specially after the first altercation and the wrestler didn't even reacted when Raja pulled him. He was probably thinking in "taking one for the show".
But you don't head slam some one full force on the side of the head. Even on MMA guys barely pull that shit because it can fuck you up for life.
Rampage did one on Ricardo Arona on Pride, later he regretted and admitted he only did it because Arona was really pissing him off.
Not even considering the barrage after, Raja will spent a good time in jail.
At first I thought it was a set up. The slam looked rather well executed and then I thought it was a bit of a hit but then it became clear right after that, something was clearly wrong.
Crazy stuff
I thought it was just a normal slam but he got knocked out from it until I read whatIm no wrestling pro, but the slam seemed ok too (I think). But maybe the slam was way harder and worse than usual because when wrestlers do that kind of move it does look pretty real as opposed to something deadly like a piledriver you can tell is way off from a mile away. Some of those Mr Wonderful pile drivers, he did them at practically 45 degree angles and the guys head was basically touching his cock.
But after the first few punches connected on a limp body, you could tell it was real and not phony pulled punches where the wrestler getting hit would normally overexaggerate being hurt.
Doesn't matter if he is a bad or good guy, whatever that means. What matters is he proved he is dangerous to other people so he can't just roam around free. He needs to be locked up until he is too old to be able to do this kind of physical assault.He made a terrible choice here but he's not a bad guy per se.
So I am not condoning the Bertuzzi event but I watched that game. They were going to the ice normally, but when Foote jumped on Bertuzzi, Bertuzzi fell on top of Moore (who was turtled up). It wasn't the punch from Bertuzzi, it was the after effect. Believe me, I am not condoing his behavior at all (I love hockey) but I definitely think the Moore incident was a freak accident and can not be compared to this nonsense.Pretty much.
Anything sports related, someone can get away with a lot before the book is thrown at him.
In hockey, look at the McSorely and Bertuzzi events. That shit is way beyond any rough stuff or typical hockey penalties. Slaps on the wrists. Any avg joe doing something similar would had gotten raked over the coals way more.
I thought it was just a normal slam but he got knocked out from it until I read whatGp1 said. Most likely he hit his head on the mat and went unconscious from it, likely intentional with that move.
Oh yeah, shit got handled back then.Can't help but think he would have gotten a proper beating from the old school, proper hard nut wrestlers for that shit. Haku, did some serious damage to people who disrespected him or the WWF (at the time). Ron Simmons too, was known to be hard a as fuck..
If dude doesn't get locked for 30 years minimum, this is just another defeat for society.Oh for sure. If I was Quinton id be working with lawyers to offer a hefty payment to the man so they can avoid a civil case. He can afford it.
Criminally I expect Raja to serve 6-12 months and have a lengthy probationary period.
It would have been ok if raja koed the dude immediately after the can incident, nobody would say a thing.The wongdoing is indisputable, but there needs to be some questions asked about the events that led up to it. I don't think Raja was aware that Syko was going to work with him, which means that Syko decided to work with a random person, and it wasn't just cutting a promo. When you don't have the mutual consent to work, hitting someone you've never met over the head with an empty can is a terrible idea.
Did the promoter think that "Using it" was going to draw more money? It happened around more empty cars than people and the people were all involved with the show by the look of it. And by the look of it they didn't bother smartening him up in any way, they just said get in there. The poor communication made this worse by giving a green light to a stranger.
The likelihood is that Raja, given the clear intent and unstable state of mind, might have jumped in anyway. But that little indy promotion had no clue what it was doing and played with fire far more than they should have. Those little outlaw promotions are for a very specific niche of people and they don't seem to know how to interact with poeple outside of that.
Also: why was Raja there in the first place? That's important context and will come up in court just like everything above.
A mistake is punching someone once because you are beyond mad, this shit was premeditated and dude looked like a feral animal during the beating.I'm speaking generally. Everyone makes mistakes, though this is obviously on the extreme side. Does he have a history of violence? That will be a factor.
He should have tried to stop raja, just bulldoze and tackle him while he is on his knees without a strong base, a woman could have done that, raja walk around 170 lb, he is not an heavyweight.bruv, it's wrestling, the refs aren't actual refs, they are actors like the rest of them.
Absolutely. It needed immediate intervention after his head hit the canvas, and if that wasn't evident to them it most certainly should've been when he landed the first punch.He should have tried to stop raja, just bulldoze and tackle him while he is on his knees without a strong base, a woman could have done that, raja walk around 170 lb, he is not an heavyweight.
You don't need to be a real refereee to understand that raja was trying to kill that dude, everyone in that ring that didn't stopped raja after the first very punch (or even after the horrible head slam) is gonna have the veteran dude in their conscience.
The slam is not ok either, it's what rampage was doing in pride where soccer kick to the head was also legal, old times barbaric mma.Im no wrestling pro, but the slam seemed ok too (I think). But maybe the slam was way harder and worse than usual because when wrestlers do that kind of move it does look pretty real as opposed to something deadly like a piledriver you can tell is way off from a mile away. Some of those Mr Wonderful pile drivers, he did them at practically 45 degree angles and the guys head was basically touching his cock.
But after the first few punches connected on a limp body, you could tell it was real and not phony pulled punches where the wrestler getting hit would normally overexaggerate being hurt.
I have a theory that Raja went "ufc rules" and was actually waiting for someone to touch him and tell him the fight is over, ufc style. We are talking about rampage son, maybe he told him from a very young age, you never stop fighting until the ref stops you or something.WTF, that's attempted murder. It's also shocking that did no one intervened sooner.
Being mercilessly bullied for most of your life by your father no less can be desensitivizing. Raja obviously has profound issues, but i don't think he is just a sociopath.His lack of remorse and nonchalant attitude towards the other dude after it went down is even worse. "Yo the dude is in the ring flatlined, they can't wake him up". His response, "my bad"![]()
Of course. In France some dude died of a heart attack in his sleep following months of abuse on kick. We really need to confront social medias as a society as much as we need to punish raja's behavior.During the lead up to the assuault, stream viewers were egging him on, calling Raja a pussy and bitch via the stream chat.
It's easy to talk in hindsight or as a spectator but the fact remains he's just a guy, putting this on him is nonsense, people generally freeze or run when there's real violence, they don't just put themselves in there immediately because that's a good way to get hurt yourself.He should have tried to stop raja,
You can freeze for a bit, not when your buddy is getting massacred for like a minute straight, it was not an eldritch creature coming out from the center of the ring that would make everyone piss their pants, it was a 170 lb dude trying to kill another dude with punches, not even a gun or a knife.It's easy to talk in hindsight or as a spectator but the fact remains he's just a guy, putting this on him is nonsense, people generally freeze or run when there's real violence, they don't just put themselves in there immediately because that's a good way to get hurt yourself.
You say that like I'm excusing it. I'll put it another way: what's the best that could have happened?It would have been ok if raja koed the dude immediately after the can incident, nobody would say a thing.
But the dude excused himself multiple times, raja said i get it multiple times, they de-escalated the thing perfectly.
Everything that happened after that is only excusable if you are a moron or a black lives matter apologist.
They told him that he could get his revenge in the ring, but not by slamming the dude in that way (wich can be fatal by itself, slamming on someone head is illegal in mma unless they are trying a submission, aswell as back to the head punches, also illegal) and then going for short of 30 punches at full power on dude skull.
There is nothing to understand here, just an unhinged cunt almost killing a war veteran for a joke that was clarified 5 min later because he was pressured by chat or because he was thinking about how much his shit dad was about to publically troll him for being a pussy.
Oh gimme a break, the dude know what he was doing, there is no ignorance or not knowing wrestling in this case.You say that like I'm excusing it. I'll put it another way: what's the best that could have happened?
The guy's MMA skills have nothing to do with pro wrestling, so even if he wasn't mentally unstable with pre-meditated attempted murder on his mind he doesn't know the first thing about safe wrestling.
Forget Raja, swap anyone else in. A quick "Yeah jump in and get involved" to someone completely uninitated is a terrible idea to have.
I completely disagree. There's a saying in martial arts: no one can injure you like a white belt can. An experienced mixed martial artist knows exactly how to take someone down safely and throw strikes to miss or lightly hit the target. The fact Raja trains and has been around MMA all his life makes it even more disgusting and inexcusable.You say that like I'm excusing it. I'll put it another way: what's the best that could have happened?
The guy's MMA skills have nothing to do with pro wrestling, so even if he wasn't mentally unstable with pre-meditated attempted murder on his mind he doesn't know the first thing about safe wrestling.
Forget Raja, swap anyone else in. A quick "Yeah jump in and get involved" to someone completely uninitated is a terrible idea to have.
It doesn't matter, it's not his job to put himself in real danger, he's an actor, not security. Whatever his reaction was is what it is and isn't expected to be anything else because with real violence things can go sideways a million different ways easily.And these dudes practice wrestlers and are stronger and more resilient than a normal dude
I guess we agree to disagree, it's basic human decency to stop someone from kiling another human being, especially if he has no gun or knife, and i bet my ass all these casual wrestlers are all friends in that place, so even worse.It doesn't matter, it's not his job to put himself in real danger, he's an actor, not security. Whatever his reaction was is what it is and isn't expected to be anything else because with real violence things can go sideways a million different ways easily.
He wasn't even supposed to slam him, he was supposed to hit a double leg takedown and fake punch him a bit, a full slam and a double leg takedown are completely different and every mma fighter know the difference.I completely disagree. There's a saying in martial arts: no one can injure you like a white belt can. An experienced mixed martial artist knows exactly how to take someone down safely and throw strikes to miss or lightly hit the target. The fact Raja trains and has been around MMA all his life makes it even more disgusting and inexcusable.
Getting involved in a random altercation on the street is a high risk endeavour; you never know if a buddy is going to sink his boots into you. Getting involved in a ring where your buddy is getting obliterated is a very different scenario. I'm not trying to kick Stu's friends while they're no doubt feeling very down, but they were definitely slow on the uptake.
If he really wanted to give a bit of cheeky payback for the can antics, he could've given him a stiff body shot, and Stu would've probably said fair play. This was premeditated assault on an unsuspecting victim by someone who knew exactly what they were doing.He wasn't even supposed to slam him, he was supposed to hit a double leg takedown and fake punch him a bit, a full slam and a double leg takedown are completely different and every mma fighter know the difference.
Again it's easy to speak in hindsight, of course there's no risk if you now know what the perfect course of action is, but that perfect course of action doesn't exist in the moment, especially when you're not trained to handle such a situation and are now subject to the flight response.Now explain to me the risk of kicking or punching him at full force in the head to make him stop
Why the hell would be silly? using the hardest punch or kick to stop a murderer that can't even see you from behind sound the most logic shit ever to me, the dudes who tried to stop him with a tackle risked more repercussions than a sucker punch\kick from behind.Again it's easy to speak in hindsight, of course there's no risk if you now know what the perfect course of action is, but that perfect course of action doesn't exist in the moment, especially when you're not trained to handle such a situation and are now subject to the flight response.
But even the idea of him, or anyone really, should've just kicked him in the head full blast is really silly, most intervention is done by either grabbing or pulling and that's also exactly how untrained people catch a stray and get hurt themselves.
Why the hell would be silly?
This is exactly why, that's not breaking up a fight, that's people joining in the fight and is obviously an entirely different response than a flight response; it's also just an argument in complete hindsight ignoring the multitude of different responses.Watch some street fight videos, who help usually goes for kick to the head if the attacker is also on the ground
Nah, any "risky" move would be better than watching a dude getting his face caved in, sorry.This is exactly why, that's not breaking up a fight, that's people joining in the fight and is obviously an entirely different response than a flight response; it's also just an argument in complete hindsight ignoring the multitude of different responses.
The way he responded simply is what it is, and absolutely no fingers can be pointed at him for not responding otherwise.
Again, hindsight which completely ignores the individual and whatever response reflex his brain is in; he's not trained or employed to handle that situation so he cannot be expected to react in a way you want him to, he simply reacted the way he reacted, the end.Nah, any "risky" move would be better than watching a dude getting his face caved in, sorry.