Rampage Jacksons stupid ass son nearly kills a wrestler

At first I thought it was a set up. The slam looked rather well executed and then I thought it was a bit of a hit but then it became clear right after that, something was clearly wrong.

Crazy stuff
Im no wrestling pro, but the slam seemed ok too (I think). But maybe the slam was way harder and worse than usual because when wrestlers do that kind of move it does look pretty real as opposed to something deadly like a piledriver you can tell is way off from a mile away. Some of those Mr Wonderful pile drivers, he did them at practically 45 degree angles and the guys head was basically touching his cock.

But after the first few punches connected on a limp body, you could tell it was real and not phony pulled punches where the wrestler getting hit would normally overexaggerate being hurt.
 
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I have a feeling that this guy is just going to end up getting way more clout now that this has blown up. The wrestler will probably not press charges and prosecutors won't give a shit about something like this.
 
I have a feeling that this guy is just going to end up getting way more clout now that this has blown up. The wrestler will probably not press charges and prosecutors won't give a shit about something like this.
Yeah, I have a similar feeling.
I think he deserves prison time, but I always thought there's some special laws in mutual combat once you cross the ropes or enter the ring, even in scripted events.

Like, I remember when some fans have jumped in and attacked wrestlers before, and got their asses kicked/head stomped/slammed, and it was tough sh*t when it came to press any charges.

Obviously it's within reason, but instead of felony assault, it goes down to something lesser. I really know f all though.
Also they agreed to have a 'match up' beforehand, so that may give him a little room legally.

They guy is an animal though, and belongs in a cage.(and I don't mean the octogon)
 
When he got hit with the can they were talking to Raja like he was a pro wrestler ("are you gonna sell it") They told him to "give him the receipt" in the ring, but they were thinking WWE receipt, not a MMA receipt. He may have permanently altered a guy's life now.
 
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Yeah, I have a similar feeling.
I think he deserves prison time, but I always thought there's some special laws in mutual combat once you cross the ropes or enter the ring, even in scripted events.

Like, I remember when some fans have jumped in and attacked wrestlers before, and got their asses kicked/head stomped/slammed, and it was tough sh*t when it came to press any charges.

Obviously it's within reason, but instead of felony assault, it goes down to something lesser. I really know f all though.
Also they agreed to have a 'match up' beforehand, so that may give him a little room legally.

They guy is an animal though, and belongs in a cage.(and I don't mean the octogon)
Pretty much.

Anything sports related, someone can get away with a lot before the book is thrown at him.

In hockey, look at the McSorely and Bertuzzi events. That shit is way beyond any rough stuff or typical hockey penalties. Slaps on the wrists. Any avg joe doing something similar would had gotten raked over the coals way more.
 
I believe it was the case. Specially after the first altercation and the wrestler didn't even reacted when Raja pulled him. He was probably thinking in "taking one for the show".

But you don't head slam some one full force on the side of the head. Even on MMA guys barely pull that shit because it can fuck you up for life.
Rampage did one on Ricardo Arona on Pride, later he regretted and admitted he only did it because Arona was really pissing him off.

Not even considering the barrage after, Raja will spent a good time in jail.

At first I thought it was a set up. The slam looked rather well executed and then I thought it was a bit of a hit but then it became clear right after that, something was clearly wrong.

Crazy stuff

Im no wrestling pro, but the slam seemed ok too (I think). But maybe the slam was way harder and worse than usual because when wrestlers do that kind of move it does look pretty real as opposed to something deadly like a piledriver you can tell is way off from a mile away. Some of those Mr Wonderful pile drivers, he did them at practically 45 degree angles and the guys head was basically touching his cock.

But after the first few punches connected on a limp body, you could tell it was real and not phony pulled punches where the wrestler getting hit would normally overexaggerate being hurt.
I thought it was just a normal slam but he got knocked out from it until I read what Gp1 Gp1 said. Most likely he hit his head on the mat and went unconscious from it, likely intentional with that move.
 
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He made a terrible choice here but he's not a bad guy per se.
Doesn't matter if he is a bad or good guy, whatever that means. What matters is he proved he is dangerous to other people so he can't just roam around free. He needs to be locked up until he is too old to be able to do this kind of physical assault.
 
Pretty much.

Anything sports related, someone can get away with a lot before the book is thrown at him.

In hockey, look at the McSorely and Bertuzzi events. That shit is way beyond any rough stuff or typical hockey penalties. Slaps on the wrists. Any avg joe doing something similar would had gotten raked over the coals way more.
So I am not condoning the Bertuzzi event but I watched that game. They were going to the ice normally, but when Foote jumped on Bertuzzi, Bertuzzi fell on top of Moore (who was turtled up). It wasn't the punch from Bertuzzi, it was the after effect. Believe me, I am not condoing his behavior at all (I love hockey) but I definitely think the Moore incident was a freak accident and can not be compared to this nonsense.

I used to watch wrestling all the time too and it definitely looked staged until the punches started flying.
 
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I thought it was just a normal slam but he got knocked out from it until I read what Gp1 Gp1 said. Most likely he hit his head on the mat and went unconscious from it, likely intentional with that move.





Can you guys spot the difference? WWE guys (most of the time) lands on the top of their back/shoulder area with neck and head in a "locked" position. Plus they don't go full force on WWE to a point of breaking that "locked" position. (and Rampage headbutt aside).
 
Can't help but think he would have gotten a proper beating from the old school, proper hard nut wrestlers for that shit. Haku, did some serious damage to people who disrespected him or the WWF (at the time). Ron Simmons too, was known to be hard a as fuck..
 
Can't help but think he would have gotten a proper beating from the old school, proper hard nut wrestlers for that shit. Haku, did some serious damage to people who disrespected him or the WWF (at the time). Ron Simmons too, was known to be hard a as fuck..
Oh yeah, shit got handled back then.
 
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The wrongdoing is indisputable, but there needs to be some questions asked about the events that led up to it. I don't think Raja was aware that Syko was going to work with him, which means that Syko decided to work with a random person, and it wasn't just cutting a promo. When you don't have the mutual consent to work, hitting someone you've never met over the head with an empty can is a terrible idea.

Did the promoter think that "Using it" was going to draw more money? It happened around more empty cars than people and the people were all involved with the show by the look of it. And by the look of it they didn't bother smartening him up in any way, they just said get in there. The poor communication made this worse by giving a green light to a stranger.

The likelihood is that Raja, given the clear intent and unstable state of mind, might have jumped in anyway. But that little indy promotion had no clue what it was doing and played with fire far more than they should have. Those little outlaw promotions are for a very specific niche of people and they don't seem to know how to interact with poeple outside of that.

Also: why was Raja there in the first place? That's important context and will come up in court just like everything above.
 
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It does make you wonder why he was there? Who invited him? And the way he's filming everything and coming in with a huge chip on his shoulder, he was welcomed in by the wrestlers with them thinking he's part of the show, with presumably zero wrestling experience and still acts like a cunt after a sincere apology?

What's the audience supposed to think? Be impressed that the son of someone mildly famous a decade ago is in attendance who is there doing his streaming shit and bent out of shape over a very mild incident an hour ago?

Feels like this promotion could get completely shut down after this.
 
Jail for him and throw the key of the cage away.

His bully ass, creep, piece of shit father hopefully lose all his money and career trying to save his dumbass son.

This was something cooking and about to happen, the cunt always bullied his son for being vegan, a pussy etc. Even if they were just skit, that shit change you, especially when you idolize your shitty ass dad as the example of alpha male.

It's pretty telling that like a month ago the cunt made a "joke" about saving money for jail because he knew his son was a useless shithead.
 
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Oh for sure. If I was Quinton id be working with lawyers to offer a hefty payment to the man so they can avoid a civil case. He can afford it.

Criminally I expect Raja to serve 6-12 months and have a lengthy probationary period.
If dude doesn't get locked for 30 years minimum, this is just another defeat for society.

That fucking animal has no business staying between normal humans with self control.

If you can lose your temper and try to brutally kill someone because of a stupid joke and chat pressure, 12 months are a fucking joke.

But yeah, he is black and his father is famous, i can see this shit happening.

Even if the victim awake, he is not gonna be the same anymore, people die or get severe cte with way less than what he did.


Watch the mma guru video, he explain everything in detail.

You know it's fucking bad when even the totality of resetera agree that raja is an animal that belongs to jail...
 
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The wongdoing is indisputable, but there needs to be some questions asked about the events that led up to it. I don't think Raja was aware that Syko was going to work with him, which means that Syko decided to work with a random person, and it wasn't just cutting a promo. When you don't have the mutual consent to work, hitting someone you've never met over the head with an empty can is a terrible idea.

Did the promoter think that "Using it" was going to draw more money? It happened around more empty cars than people and the people were all involved with the show by the look of it. And by the look of it they didn't bother smartening him up in any way, they just said get in there. The poor communication made this worse by giving a green light to a stranger.

The likelihood is that Raja, given the clear intent and unstable state of mind, might have jumped in anyway. But that little indy promotion had no clue what it was doing and played with fire far more than they should have. Those little outlaw promotions are for a very specific niche of people and they don't seem to know how to interact with poeple outside of that.

Also: why was Raja there in the first place? That's important context and will come up in court just like everything above.
It would have been ok if raja koed the dude immediately after the can incident, nobody would say a thing.

But the dude excused himself multiple times, raja said i get it multiple times, they de-escalated the thing perfectly.


Everything that happened after that is only excusable if you are a moron or a black lives matter apologist.

They told him that he could get his revenge in the ring, but not by slamming the dude in that way (wich can be fatal by itself, slamming on someone head is illegal in mma unless they are trying a submission, aswell as back to the head punches, also illegal) and then going for short of 30 punches at full power on dude skull.

There is nothing to understand here, just an unhinged cunt almost killing a war veteran for a joke that was clarified 5 min later because he was pressured by chat or because he was thinking about how much his shit dad was about to publically troll him for being a pussy.
 
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I'm speaking generally. Everyone makes mistakes, though this is obviously on the extreme side. Does he have a history of violence? That will be a factor.
A mistake is punching someone once because you are beyond mad, this shit was premeditated and dude looked like a feral animal during the beating.

What the fuck are we even talking about here?

That beating would be only excusable if the dude murdered his whole family, not for a stupid joke that did no damage.

What should have done to be considered a bad person? Shooting inside a church?
 
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bruv, it's wrestling, the refs aren't actual refs, they are actors like the rest of them.
He should have tried to stop raja, just bulldoze and tackle him while he is on his knees without a strong base, a woman could have done that, raja walk around 170 lb, he is not an heavyweight.

You don't need to be a real refereee to understand that raja was trying to kill that dude, everyone in that ring that didn't stopped raja after the first very punch (or even after the horrible head slam) is gonna have the veteran dude in their conscience.
 
Absolutely disgusting and appalling. The poor chap was whipped down with the slam and KOed on impact. The follow up barrage looked like attempted homicide. Even as he was being pulled off he was still fighting to get back and inflict more.

Thoughts are with the big fellow. I understand from an earlier post he's lost teeth and sustained fractures; I just hope his brain isn't permanently damaged.
 
He should have tried to stop raja, just bulldoze and tackle him while he is on his knees without a strong base, a woman could have done that, raja walk around 170 lb, he is not an heavyweight.

You don't need to be a real refereee to understand that raja was trying to kill that dude, everyone in that ring that didn't stopped raja after the first very punch (or even after the horrible head slam) is gonna have the veteran dude in their conscience.
Absolutely. It needed immediate intervention after his head hit the canvas, and if that wasn't evident to them it most certainly should've been when he landed the first punch.
 
Im no wrestling pro, but the slam seemed ok too (I think). But maybe the slam was way harder and worse than usual because when wrestlers do that kind of move it does look pretty real as opposed to something deadly like a piledriver you can tell is way off from a mile away. Some of those Mr Wonderful pile drivers, he did them at practically 45 degree angles and the guys head was basically touching his cock.

But after the first few punches connected on a limp body, you could tell it was real and not phony pulled punches where the wrestler getting hit would normally overexaggerate being hurt.
The slam is not ok either, it's what rampage was doing in pride where soccer kick to the head was also legal, old times barbaric mma.

If slamming on the back of the head with violence was the right way, every wrestling encounter in the history of the sport would end after the first slam because no human can train the back of the head to be more resistant, the rare cases of head slam in mma always end with a ko and people worried about the safety of the dude on the ground, people slipping on the street and hitting the back of the head with way less violence can remain fucked up for life...

Wrestlers know hot to slam while provoking less damage possible to the back of the head, most of them at least.
 
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Probably the best breakdown I've seen. There's more footage of Syko Stu apologizing multiple times. They shook hands twice seemingly squashing the beef. Raja was explained numerous times that it was a mistake and that wrestlers in back thought Raja was in on the "work" because of all the cameras that were there recording. Raja's friend, the Cowboy wrestler, telling him to get his "receipt", or cheap shot in. During the lead up to the assuault, stream viewers were egging him on, calling Raja a pussy and bitch via the stream chat.
 
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I gotta imagine he'll see some prison time for this. Even if the guy (for whatever reasons) refuses to press charges the DA ain't gonna let all that video evidence go to waste on a sure slam dunk of a trial.
The apple rarely fall far from the tree.
 
WTF, that's attempted murder. It's also shocking that did no one intervened sooner.
I have a theory that Raja went "ufc rules" and was actually waiting for someone to touch him and tell him the fight is over, ufc style. We are talking about rampage son, maybe he told him from a very young age, you never stop fighting until the ref stops you or something.
Of course it doesn't substract from the fact he must have known the guy was out cold from the slam and still pummeled him, but i really think Raja might have believed this huge wrestler actually could take the punishment he was going to dish out and that the "fight" was not over until the referee came to break it off (which would be also extremely stupid on his part).

Im actually very sad for raja (as i am for the wrestler and family too of course). I happened to see a few videos of him and his father recently and i was pleasently surprised by his apparent levelheadedness, in comparison with rampage. He often seemed like the voice of reason from the few clips i saw. Doesn't change the fact he screwed himself for life with this assault.
His lack of remorse and nonchalant attitude towards the other dude after it went down is even worse. "Yo the dude is in the ring flatlined, they can't wake him up". His response, "my bad" 😆😐😐
Being mercilessly bullied for most of your life by your father no less can be desensitivizing. Raja obviously has profound issues, but i don't think he is just a sociopath.
During the lead up to the assuault, stream viewers were egging him on, calling Raja a pussy and bitch via the stream chat.
Of course. In France some dude died of a heart attack in his sleep following months of abuse on kick. We really need to confront social medias as a society as much as we need to punish raja's behavior.
 
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Toots Toots he was waiting for someone to stop him?

Dude have you even saw the video? Multiple dudes had to muscle him away from the dude and he was still trying to get a last punch in while being tackled...
 
Shit people on a shitty platform, what could go wrong ? Already one person dead and this guy gets almost killed live ? What the fuck is wrong with kick
 
He should have tried to stop raja,
It's easy to talk in hindsight or as a spectator but the fact remains he's just a guy, putting this on him is nonsense, people generally freeze or run when there's real violence, they don't just put themselves in there immediately because that's a good way to get hurt yourself.
 
It's easy to talk in hindsight or as a spectator but the fact remains he's just a guy, putting this on him is nonsense, people generally freeze or run when there's real violence, they don't just put themselves in there immediately because that's a good way to get hurt yourself.
You can freeze for a bit, not when your buddy is getting massacred for like a minute straight, it was not an eldritch creature coming out from the center of the ring that would make everyone piss their pants, it was a 170 lb dude trying to kill another dude with punches, not even a gun or a knife.

And these dudes practice wrestlers and are stronger and more resilient than a normal dude, they are not the average skinny joe that never saw violence in his life, they should be more brain wired and ready to stop something like that.

I disagree, these people are gonna feel guilty if the dude doesn't heal completely, i would feel like shit for enabling that animal to do all that damage to my friend without even trying to stop him.

You can see countless of videos of fights where the friend intervene immediately when they even just touch another of their friends, waiting to see if the dude was about to kill the wrestler is not normal, no way to spin this shit.

Dude was completely focused on murdering the guy, kicking his head off or punching his hear to make him lose balance from the side was super safe in that moment, when you try to stop a murder you can use equal force, no need to measure your faorce or be delicate, kick his fucking teeth in while he is trying to kill your friend.

Hell even when they stop him he is not even fighting them back, he is completely focused on killing the guy...
 
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It would have been ok if raja koed the dude immediately after the can incident, nobody would say a thing.

But the dude excused himself multiple times, raja said i get it multiple times, they de-escalated the thing perfectly.


Everything that happened after that is only excusable if you are a moron or a black lives matter apologist.

They told him that he could get his revenge in the ring, but not by slamming the dude in that way (wich can be fatal by itself, slamming on someone head is illegal in mma unless they are trying a submission, aswell as back to the head punches, also illegal) and then going for short of 30 punches at full power on dude skull.

There is nothing to understand here, just an unhinged cunt almost killing a war veteran for a joke that was clarified 5 min later because he was pressured by chat or because he was thinking about how much his shit dad was about to publically troll him for being a pussy.
You say that like I'm excusing it. I'll put it another way: what's the best that could have happened?

The guy's MMA skills have nothing to do with pro wrestling, so even if he wasn't mentally unstable with pre-meditated attempted murder on his mind he doesn't know the first thing about safe wrestling.

Forget Raja, swap anyone else in. A quick "Yeah jump in and get involved" to someone completely uninitated is a terrible idea to have.
 
You say that like I'm excusing it. I'll put it another way: what's the best that could have happened?

The guy's MMA skills have nothing to do with pro wrestling, so even if he wasn't mentally unstable with pre-meditated attempted murder on his mind he doesn't know the first thing about safe wrestling.

Forget Raja, swap anyone else in. A quick "Yeah jump in and get involved" to someone completely uninitated is a terrible idea to have.
Oh gimme a break, the dude know what he was doing, there is no ignorance or not knowing wrestling in this case.

And just for you to know, mma fighters literally train wrestling so they know how to slam people with some control, raja probably has better wrestling tecnique than all the casual wrestlers doing that for fun.
You think mma wrestlers always spar at full force trying to cause cte? Think again.

You can't swap with another person because another person is not a trained mma fighter so it's not the same thing.

They let him get in the ring for the payback exactly because they knew the dude knew how to wrestle, they would not risk an embarassment during the show just to make a random dude have his shitty revenge, they trusted the professional fighter that train wrestling for a living to have some self control and to not go berserker.

The idea of the payback wasn't bad, they just trusted a literal feral animal.
 
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You say that like I'm excusing it. I'll put it another way: what's the best that could have happened?

The guy's MMA skills have nothing to do with pro wrestling, so even if he wasn't mentally unstable with pre-meditated attempted murder on his mind he doesn't know the first thing about safe wrestling.

Forget Raja, swap anyone else in. A quick "Yeah jump in and get involved" to someone completely uninitated is a terrible idea to have.
I completely disagree. There's a saying in martial arts: no one can injure you like a white belt can. An experienced mixed martial artist knows exactly how to take someone down safely and throw strikes to miss or lightly hit the target. The fact Raja trains and has been around MMA all his life makes it even more disgusting and inexcusable.

Getting involved in a random altercation on the street is a high risk endeavour; you never know if a buddy is going to sink his boots into you. Getting involved in a ring where your buddy is getting obliterated is a very different scenario. I'm not trying to kick Stu's friends while they're no doubt feeling very down, but they were definitely slow on the uptake.
 
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And these dudes practice wrestlers and are stronger and more resilient than a normal dude
It doesn't matter, it's not his job to put himself in real danger, he's an actor, not security. Whatever his reaction was is what it is and isn't expected to be anything else because with real violence things can go sideways a million different ways easily.
 
It doesn't matter, it's not his job to put himself in real danger, he's an actor, not security. Whatever his reaction was is what it is and isn't expected to be anything else because with real violence things can go sideways a million different ways easily.
I guess we agree to disagree, it's basic human decency to stop someone from kiling another human being, especially if he has no gun or knife, and i bet my ass all these casual wrestlers are all friends in that place, so even worse.

Now explain to me the risk of kicking or punching him at full force in the head to make him stop while the dude is COMPLETELY focused on killing the other dude and literally can't see or avoid any hit from behind or the side, especially when you also saw that he had no interest in hurting anyone else and didn't throw a single punch against the people who stopped him, i'll wait, maybe raja has eyes in the back of the head?

Soccer kick his face and flatline his ass, he is on his knees already ready to be kicked...

No jury is gonna find you guilty for stopping a murderer even with a use of "excessive" force, not with such a glaring video, let's be real.
 
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I completely disagree. There's a saying in martial arts: no one can injure you like a white belt can. An experienced mixed martial artist knows exactly how to take someone down safely and throw strikes to miss or lightly hit the target. The fact Raja trains and has been around MMA all his life makes it even more disgusting and inexcusable.

Getting involved in a random altercation on the street is a high risk endeavour; you never know if a buddy is going to sink his boots into you. Getting involved in a ring where your buddy is getting obliterated is a very different scenario. I'm not trying to kick Stu's friends while they're no doubt feeling very down, but they were definitely slow on the uptake.
He wasn't even supposed to slam him, he was supposed to hit a double leg takedown and fake punch him a bit, a full slam and a double leg takedown are completely different and every mma fighter know the difference.
 
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He wasn't even supposed to slam him, he was supposed to hit a double leg takedown and fake punch him a bit, a full slam and a double leg takedown are completely different and every mma fighter know the difference.
If he really wanted to give a bit of cheeky payback for the can antics, he could've given him a stiff body shot, and Stu would've probably said fair play. This was premeditated assault on an unsuspecting victim by someone who knew exactly what they were doing.
 
Now explain to me the risk of kicking or punching him at full force in the head to make him stop
Again it's easy to speak in hindsight, of course there's no risk if you now know what the perfect course of action is, but that perfect course of action doesn't exist in the moment, especially when you're not trained to handle such a situation and are now subject to the flight response.
But even the idea of him, or anyone really, should've just kicked him in the head full blast is really silly, most intervention is done by either grabbing or pulling and that's also exactly how untrained people catch a stray and get hurt themselves.
 
Again it's easy to speak in hindsight, of course there's no risk if you now know what the perfect course of action is, but that perfect course of action doesn't exist in the moment, especially when you're not trained to handle such a situation and are now subject to the flight response.
But even the idea of him, or anyone really, should've just kicked him in the head full blast is really silly, most intervention is done by either grabbing or pulling and that's also exactly how untrained people catch a stray and get hurt themselves.
Why the hell would be silly? using the hardest punch or kick to stop a murderer that can't even see you from behind sound the most logic shit ever to me, the dudes who tried to stop him with a tackle risked more repercussions than a sucker punch\kick from behind.
You do all you can to stop the dude and a kick to the head is the safest choice to ko him, you don't risk a punch that can also hurt you if you don't know how to punch someone, but everyone and their mother know how to kick the head of someone in their fucking knees, you raise your leg and kick, fantasy land is thinking the dude ws about to block a sucker punch from behind or the side while completely focused on something else, i would take my fucking chance to save a life.

This is not some john wick superhero bullshit supermove, it's literally doing the fastest, more damaging thing to stop a dude from being murdered, it is not rocket science.

Watch some street fight videos, who help usually goes for kick to the head if the attacker is also on the ground, it's a natural instinct, not something you need to train for.

And once again, no jury is gonna condemn you for stopping a literal murderer.
 
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Why the hell would be silly?
Watch some street fight videos, who help usually goes for kick to the head if the attacker is also on the ground
This is exactly why, that's not breaking up a fight, that's people joining in the fight and is obviously an entirely different response than a flight response; it's also just an argument in complete hindsight ignoring the multitude of different responses.
The way he responded simply is what it is, and absolutely no fingers can be pointed at him for not responding otherwise.
 
This is exactly why, that's not breaking up a fight, that's people joining in the fight and is obviously an entirely different response than a flight response; it's also just an argument in complete hindsight ignoring the multitude of different responses.
The way he responded simply is what it is, and absolutely no fingers can be pointed at him for not responding otherwise.
Nah, any "risky" move would be better than watching a dude getting his face caved in, sorry.
 
The other wrestlers were off selling, or not necessarily watching exactly what was going on. The ref should have been pretty concerned about that slam and been tackling that cunt after the first punch connected.
 
Nah, any "risky" move would be better than watching a dude getting his face caved in, sorry.
Again, hindsight which completely ignores the individual and whatever response reflex his brain is in; he's not trained or employed to handle that situation so he cannot be expected to react in a way you want him to, he simply reacted the way he reacted, the end.
 
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