Ratchet and Clank PS4 Reboot Delayed To 2016, Out Spring 2016

Sony is doing an awful job scheduling their games release. It becoming a trend at their exclusive titles already.

If it was delayed due to the game, and not the film, wouldn't that be an issue with Insomnia not Sony?


I understand the frustration but this was never going to be a big game anyway. I don't know why people were getting excited about this in the first place as its a remaster/reboot/remake, whatever you want to call it. Now I'd understand if it was a new R&C trilogy or something, but it's not.

Why are you trying to act like there's little difference between "remaster/reboot/remake, whatever you want to call it"... there's a huge difference between the three. Well, at least between remaster and the other two -- reboot & remake are fairly similar and overlap, though are still different.

It's a brand new game. In some ways, it's probably harder than a fresh IP, since they not only need to do it justice, they need to modernize it for today's players while not alienating the fanbase. Just because they get to re-use a couple plot points during a reboot doesn't mean you get to shave a single day off of development.

It's Ratchet & Clank. Of course people are excited.
 
It's better than all the rest of the year though with the obvious Christmas and Black Friday sales. That's huge.

Do higher sales somehow make the game more enjoyable to you?

Sony will rely on third party titles to push consoles during the holidays. CoD, Battlefront, AC, etc. Then, they spread out their own titles throughout the year in order to give them a chance to shine and keep consoles moving out of stores.


How is that a bad strategy other than maybe loosing on very specifically built list wars that ignore all context and reality?
 
Nothing.

What does it have to do to him? - he's only the President of Sony's Internal Studios network and greenlights / oversees development on all 1st party games.

If he can't manage the studios correctly and stick to schedules, because, you know delays cost substantial amounts of money, then somebody who is actually capable of operating efficiently, and productively should take his place.

Because, in my opinion, he is doing a horrific job so far, with the amount of delays, projects cancelled, and millions just flushed down the toilet.

The highest rated game exclusive to PS4 is Bloodborne, and it's developed by From Software in partnership with Sony Japan studio.

Every sole exclusive released so far has averaged middling scores with the exception of Infamous: Second Son.

That is just not acceptable - I wish Verendus would come in and give some perspective, because at the moment, the release schedule for Holiday 15 is bleak in terms of 1st party content.
Shu is the President of SCE WWS, but his day to day job doesn't involve micro-managing what the studios are up to in the way you imagine. He's not really responsible for the delays you see with Uncharted or Ratchet and Clank etc. WWS is pretty huge. There's like 15 studios or something and over a thousand people. A lot more than a thousand now I think about it since SCEE has about 2000 employees (it's not the exact number now due to certain fluctuations, but it's probably still around there anyway) and about half of those folks are working in WWS in Europe. When we take into account SCEA and SCEJ/A, that number increases a lot. The point is it's a lot of bodies. You have studios in Europe, America, Japan, so it's basically a global presence.

You know yourself that these studios have their own heads/directors/presidents. These are the people who are there to ensure the day to day operations are running smoothly, and overlook the immediate development of games under their care. They'll be involved with a lot of aspects of the game's development, and some of the first to know about what's happening with titles hitting milestones, any difficulties, and various other issues. Then you have people who are involved with other developers from a first party perspective, these can be producers, and the like, but their job is to pretty much manage that relationship. From there, reports, updates, and other things, head up the chain to people like Shu. You're basically talking about higher management since there are others. Consider that long chain. It exists in a lot of different corporate environments. When something does go wrong, or isn't to your liking, it's natural to blame the one on top for everything. I understand. I blame Andrew House all the time.

But it's complex. Sometimes when things go wrong, or aren't going according to plan, or there has to be adjustments made, it's a meeting of the people who are directly involved with some of the people in the position to call the shots, and they come to an agreement after considering several factors. These factors could range from how everything fits into the financial year, budgets, positioning, resource availability, and timing. It's a lot of different things. Those meetings, and business plans, and things of that nature, is what a lot of higher management does. And emails. Lot of emails. Can't forget that. Obviously, from that position, they do bear the brunt of the responsibility because a lot of important decisions do come from there, but when you're managing so many people, it's about having the right managers in the right place, and the work cultures at these studios, their development process, and the talent, is also very important. It's a mix and match of many different things, and it's not always simple. With Ratchet and Clank, you have to consider it's not an internal studio, it's a working relationship between two partners, and it's not just a game we're talking about here. There's a movie too, so things are different. Every situation can present different challenges. Not that I know the ins and outs of everything WWS does, since I don't care anyway. But I'm good with structure, let me tell you. Anyway, it makes no difference to me as long as the end result is good for everyone. That's what you'd want too. That's also what Shu would want.

You can have higher management meddle more, but would everyone really want that? The sink or swim outlook doesn't really work all the time, but if you get the right people in the right positions, it definitely allows diversity, and the ability to create a developer focused atmosphere.

While it's understandable to blame the one on top, it's kind of silly to make a judgment on how he does his job since a lot of people don't really know what his job entails. He does a lot of work unrelated to immediate development, and that can make up the bulk of his day to day job at times. People don't know much about SCE in general, and it's not their fault, since most people don't care about it. It's about the games. Even a lot of people working at Sony couldn't tell you the chain of command since it doesn't matter to most of them. Take a random developer, ask them to tell you about the various key positions, and they'd be clueless. It's just how it is at most companies. The point is that it's complex, and there are a lot of people involved in these projects. Some, who are responsible for titles hitting milestones and general management, who people don't know. The default response is to blame Shu, and while it's fine to blame people, you have to understand their role in things a little more intimately before you think he needs to be replaced. Because then it becomes silly.

You say this now for example, but your attitude could be different by this time next year. You might start thinking things aren't that bad after all. (But l'll be honest, it was kind of a mediocre first year). Look at Gio Corsi. How many people were mocking the fact that he's not getting anything done or whatever? There was a few. I know since I remember talking about it at some point. Attitudes towards him have changed after one event. Just because of Yakuza. Shahid's another one who people laughed at here and there, but most people don't even know about Strategic Content, and what they do. They've accomplished some good things. Spelunky, FEZ, Thomas Was Alone, those guys were responsible for those titles hittng the PS platform. And lots of others. I've seen people say they like Spelunky.

Anyway, I think it's fine to blame people. It comes with the territory. When you're a public figure, and you're in the spotlight, you get the glory, and you get the guillotine. That's how it goes. I'm sure they understand that. But generally, when you start talking about people being incompetent at their jobs, then you need specifics. You can't really use examples of games being delayed as the underlying issue there. You have to think about the bottom line. Facts, and figures. Those are hard to come by. It'd probably be a good thing to get Shu to tell people about the kind of things he does though. Maybe when there's good stuff happening, like TLG is out, and UC4 is out. Good PR opportunity.

I kid.

But seriously. How good is 2016 shaping up to be? So good. We can finally leave the last generation behind.
P.S. Fuck off Modbot.
 
Still awaiting greatness
Sorry I do have a PS4 (want proof go to my profile and add me on PSN)
But all the delays for the games I have the most interest in is starting to really get to me. -_- oh well. Please no more delays please no more!
 

So basically it's Kutaragi's fault because he appointed Kaz who appointed Shu who left regional macromanagement to Scott/Denny/Becker, who are supervising the respective studio heads, who are in charge of the producers, who are then managing the day to day of the different parts of the dev team, who is supervising that one person who broke the game because of one faulty code.

Okay.
 
So basically it's Kutaragi's fault because he appointed Kaz who appointed Shu who left regional macromanagement to Scott/Denny/Becker, who are supervising the respective studio heads, who are in charge of the producers, who are then managing the day to day of the different parts of the dev team, who is supervising that one person who broke the game because of one faulty code.

Okay.
Or we just blame Jesus.

That works too.
 
I think now that PS4 is a big success and third party games sold better on PS4 anyway, Sony no longer felt the pressure to rush games to release even if the game is not ready yet. I have no problem with it, the dev will get more time to make the game better. I'd rather have that than the game released on time but unfinished and need multiple patch just to fix it.
 
Disappointing to hear it but I can't remember it ever penned in for 2015? I was assuming late this year or early next. We have basically no info about the game, didn't see a single screen shot right?

Just like uncharted didn't have a date then boom announced for 2016.

Anyways, Sony killed it with the hardware this gen, but man they have a debacle with their greatest assets, their first party studios and owned IPs. They better have something special planned at e3 to blow us away. And hopefully at least a game this fall? Wow.
 
Disappointing to hear it but I can't remember it ever penned in for 2015? I was assuming late this year or early next. We have basically no info about the game, didn't see a single screen shot right?

Just like uncharted didn't have a date then boom announced for 2016.

Anyways, Sony killed it with the hardware this gen, but man they have a debacle with their greatest assets, their first party studios and owned IPs. They better have something special planned at e3 to blow us away. And hopefully at least a game this fall? Wow.

It would really only be a debacle if the game were cancelled or delayed and turned out bad.
 
Disappointing to hear it but I can't remember it ever penned in for 2015? I was assuming late this year or early next. We have basically no info about the game, didn't see a single screen shot right?

Just like uncharted didn't have a date then boom announced for 2016.

Anyways, Sony killed it with the hardware this gen, but man they have a debacle with their greatest assets, their first party studios and owned IPs. They better have something special planned at e3 to blow us away. And hopefully at least a game this fall? Wow.

This game has always coincided with the film. Film was originally summer 2015 so the game was going to be as well. Film got pushed to spring 2016 so the game followed suit.
 
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I just don't get why people get so worried about Sony potentially not having anything huge for the fall (which I'm sure they'll have something from E3) but barely anyone seems to talk about how we're almost 6 months into the year and MS hasn't released barely anything notable and doesn't seem to be going to in the next couple months except maybe Fable Legends.
 
So what are the 2015 Sony exclusives then? The order, Bloodborne and God of War remake?

Persona 5
God of War 3 remastered
No Mans Sky
Disgaea 5
Dragon Quest Heroes
Rime
The Tomorrow Children
The Witness
Alienation
Kings Quest
Everybody's Gone to Rapture
Until Dawn

Amongst others plus whatever is announced at E3
 
Not sure what's hard to understand here. Do you really understand what the game is? It's not just a carbon copy of the first game, but basically a completely new Ratchet game that revisits the origin and tells it in a new way. It will revisit some previous locations and plot points, but gameplay wise it's a completely different beast. Like I said, it's not a carbon copy of the original. So there will probably be tons of new gameplay features that weren't present in the original (such as arenas, strafing, different gadgets, different weapons, etc) and even though it revisits old locations doesn't mean the level design will be exactly the same. For all intensive purposes, it is a new Ratchet and Clank game.

If you did understand that already, i'm not sure why you would wonder why people are excited.

Here's the problem. From the OP:
Insomniac Games is also hard at work at Ratchet & Clank for the PS4, a re-imagination of the original game that started it all 13 years ago. The game, out Spring 2016, re-tells the origin story that ties in closely and expands upon the movie’s narrative. It also features several new levels along with reimagined classic locales like Metropolis, brand new weapons and completely redone visuals made possible by the power of the PlayStation 4. We’ll be sharing more on the game soon!

The game may be fresh and exciting like an entirely new game, but Sony and Insomniac certainly aren't helping with people thinking it's nothing more than an HD remake on PS4. Either they're incredibly stupid with marketing or there's not really that much new to the game.
 
I just don't get why people get so worried about Sony potentially not having anything huge for the fall (which I'm sure they'll have something from E3) but barely anyone seems to talk about how we're almost 6 months into the year and MS hasn't released barely anything notable and doesn't seem to be going to in the next couple months except maybe Fable Legends.

Well the thing is that Sony already released most of their AAA games that were scheduled for 2015 (that we know of), and Microsoft is about to start releasing theirs... so it's bound to look worse in comparison.
 
The game may be fresh and exciting like an entirely new game, but Sony and Insomniac certainly aren't helping with people thinking it's nothing more than an HD remake on PS4. Either they're incredibly stupid with marketing or there's not really that much new to the game.

We haven't even seen a single in game footage.
 
The game may be fresh and exciting like an entirely new game, but Sony and Insomniac certainly aren't helping with people thinking it's nothing more than an HD remake on PS4. Either they're incredibly stupid with marketing or there's not really that much new to the game.

Those few mentions of the game certainly doesn't help people like myself believe anything else otherwise, especially as they only mention it when they talk about the movie. Sure it could be like Ocarina of Time 3D, but I've played the game already then. All I hear from the short sentences from Sony is that it's a fancier HD remake, rather than a full fledged new game. I mean if it was anything more, we'd not only hear more about it from Sony and Insomniac, but we'd get better information that explains their project better. You don't need game footage to talk about your vision and we haven't heard anything concrete about how its a new experience beyond what remasters and remakes have traditionally been.

I love me some old school Ratchet & Clank games, but I'd rather want something new. Especially after how they've damaged this brand with pretty shitty games since Crack in Time, (and yes Nexus was average at best). I'm not hating on this game either by the way, but the way people are throwing its name around like its a big exclusive confuses me. If it was one, we'd hear more about it, that's all.

Best wishes.
 
Those few mentions of the game certainly doesn't help people like myself believe anything else otherwise, especially as they only mention it when they talk about the movie. Sure it could be like Ocarina of Time 3D, but I've played the game already then. All I hear from the short sentences from Sony is that it's a fancier HD remake, rather than a full fledged new game. I mean if it was anything more, we'd not only hear more about it from Sony and Insomniac, but we'd get better information that explains their project better. You don't need game footage to talk about your vision and we haven't heard anything concrete about how its a new experience beyond what remasters and remakes have traditionally been.

I love me some old school Ratchet & Clank games, but I'd rather want something new. Especially after how they've damaged this brand with pretty shitty games since Crack in Time, (and yes Nexus was average at best). I'm not hating on this game either by the way, but the way people are throwing its name around like its a big exclusive confuses me. If it was one, we'd hear more about it, that's all.

Best wishes.

What about new levels?, would that change your mind?. Because they said that there will be several new levels.
 
Here's the problem. From the OP:


The game may be fresh and exciting like an entirely new game, but Sony and Insomniac certainly aren't helping with people thinking it's nothing more than an HD remake on PS4. Either they're incredibly stupid with marketing or there's not really that much new to the game.

If it was a remake, they'd say remake. They're using the term re-imagining for a reason.
 
I just don't get why people get so worried about Sony potentially not having anything huge for the fall (which I'm sure they'll have something from E3) but barely anyone seems to talk about how we're almost 6 months into the year and MS hasn't released barely anything notable and doesn't seem to be going to in the next couple months except maybe Fable Legends.

You wouldn't hit a console when it's already down and out would you? =P

Funny thing though - I've mentioned this before and I never saw a thread about this or anything from the journos. I think Sony doing it right in the first half of the year when everything is slower.

For all those saying Microsoft will thug Sony out this holiday with their exclusive lineup just remember that deep price cuts and a 3rd party bundle did it (that same bundle is still stocked healthily) last year.
 
I care about the competition because I'd love to play those three games. But I don't have the money to be spending on two systems. So I wish Sony had more to offer. And the reason I care about the Fall/Winter season is because it coincides with when I have time off work, Christmas presents, etc.

You aren't restricted from buying games released earlier in the year though. :)
 
its not a re-make. It's more like a re-boot. It's still a full ratchet game made by its original creators and they're getting extra time to work on it because, to better sell the movie, they're pushing it to April.

Why push the movie to April? Because it's a better weekend to open than this fall and could end up being a better award contender in animation next year.

The film industry is not the games industry. They operate differently.
 
Those few mentions of the game certainly doesn't help people like myself believe anything else otherwise, especially as they only mention it when they talk about the movie. Sure it could be like Ocarina of Time 3D, but I've played the game already then. All I hear from the short sentences from Sony is that it's a fancier HD remake, rather than a full fledged new game. I mean if it was anything more, we'd not only hear more about it from Sony and Insomniac, but we'd get better information that explains their project better. You don't need game footage to talk about your vision and we haven't heard anything concrete about how its a new experience beyond what remasters and remakes have traditionally been.

I love me some old school Ratchet & Clank games, but I'd rather want something new. Especially after how they've damaged this brand with pretty shitty games since Crack in Time, (and yes Nexus was average at best). I'm not hating on this game either by the way, but the way people are throwing its name around like its a big exclusive confuses me. If it was one, we'd hear more about it, that's all.

Best wishes.

get ready to eat massive crow
 
I just don't get why people get so worried about Sony potentially not having anything huge for the fall (which I'm sure they'll have something from E3) but barely anyone seems to talk about how we're almost 6 months into the year and MS hasn't released barely anything notable and doesn't seem to be going to in the next couple months except maybe Fable Legends.

I have a PS4 and want games to play on it.

I don't have an Xbox so don't care about a lack of games.
 
Wow what is left in 2015 still for Sony?

Until Dawn
Godzilla
Tearaway
Tomorrow Children
Rime
Disgaea 5
Persona 5
DQ Heroes
GoW3
Ultra SFIV
No Man's Sky
Alienation
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
Shadow of the Beast
Killstrain
Drawn to Death
Fat Princess Adventures

Rumoured:
Uncharted Trilogy
Tales of Zestiria
Gravity Daze
 
As someone who has a PS4 as their secondary console this is a super bummer.
Unless some massive PS4 exclusive game gets announced for 2015 at E3 I really will have to consider selling it and picking one up 2nd hand next year.
 
Delays are okay.

Its best they don't shove it out the door not ready to go.

Rather than dealing with bugs, frame rate issues, lack of content, graphics not being the best thing ever, etc.
I'd rather rather deal with a delay than GAFs wrath towards technical imperfections.
 
Until Dawn
Godzilla
Tearaway
Tomorrow Children
Rime
Disgaea 5
Persona 5
DQ Heroes
GoW3
Ultra SFIV
No Man's Sky
Alienation
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
Shadow of the Beast
Killstrain
Drawn to Death
Fat Princess Adventures

Rumoured:
Uncharted Trilogy
Tales of Zestiria
Gravity Daze

Let's be honest, are any of those games actual consumers would actually buy? You might as well not even count them.

/s

As someone who has a PS4 as their secondary console this is a super bummer.
Unless some massive PS4 exclusive game gets announced for 2015 at E3 I really will have to consider selling it and picking one up 2nd hand next year.

Uh...i don't understand. Number 1, there's tons of PS4 games coming out. Number 2, if your so disappointed with the system, why would you sell it and then buy it again next year?? I mean if your going to buy another one anyway, what's the point of selling it for a couple months to begin with?
 
Until Dawn
Godzilla
Tearaway
Tomorrow Children
Rime
Disgaea 5
Persona 5
DQ Heroes
GoW3
Ultra SFIV
No Man's Sky
Alienation
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
Shadow of the Beast
Killstrain
Drawn to Death
Fat Princess Adventures

Rumoured:
Uncharted Trilogy
Tales of Zestiria
Gravity Daze

That's all that interests me and has there even been any info that points that it exists.

EDIT: Rime and No Man's Sky have promise.
 

Thanks now I'm trying to find my waiting dvd to watch that movie again... lol

But on topic even though I'm pretty disappointed it seems like it was bound to happen with all the delays as of late but I'll still pick up the game day one, and watch the movie with my nephews day one.
 
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