MasterCornholio
Member
It's still a lot more expensive than if they went with standard external SSDs. Having it be exclusive to a few brands really jacks up the price. I doubt it's going to ever be as cheap as an NVME that you can buy for a PC.
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Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart weighs in at a nimble 33GB, "sizes are getting smaller on native PS5 games"
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It's still a lot more expensive than if they went with standard external SSDs. Having it be exclusive to a few brands really jacks up the price. I doubt it's going to ever be as cheap as an NVME that you can buy for a PC.
Garani
Member
the "other option", were it available on the XSX/S, it probably would have been available from day one, since the internal drive is an off-the-shelf part that clock at a standard 2.4gb/s on a PCI3 bus. Any no-brand NVME could be used.
MasterCornholio
Member
And those are really cheap right now. If it was the PS5 you would have to go with a 7GB/s drive which are expensive at the moment.
As I said earlier it's basically a case tax with Microsofts solution.
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
no truer words ever spoken
SLB1904
Banned
You would know that for sure.
Garani
Member
At the moment, it ain't that easy. MS seems to criptographically link the internal drive with the box. This means that if it fails, you'd have to bin the whole console, unless there is an option that allows you to install the OS on a brand new NVME drive.
Well, up to lask gen you would actually replace the HDDs within the boxes. With the SSDs it will be basically impossible to fix a broken SSD: PS5's it's soldered on the board, XSX/S are linking the drive to the box and you can't boot to install the OS from scratch.
The Hamburglar
Banned
So you’ve dropped the bargain bin pc ssd argument faster than the ps5 ssd speeds I see..
No actually if Sony was doing the same I’d call them out too, rip off proprietary shit is a rip off no matter who does it. Sony did the same with the vita shit. Luckily the ps5 will have 3rd party options so they’ll be some choice In price.
If the price is silly like series x ( nearly the same cost as a series s ffs) then I’ll call that too. I have no idea what loop you are referring to, that must be the persecution complex kicking in where the fanatics need to make up a false narrative to make themselves feel better.
SLB1904
Banned
Yeah shit ain't cheap. But with time it will become dirty cheap
Bo_Hazem
Banned
So you wanna compare a low-tier, DRAM-less, 4-channel, 2x PCIe lanes 2.4GB/s to a top-tier, with DRAM, 8-channel, 4x PCIe lanes 7GB/s NVMe m.2 SSD? I mean that's more than double the quality, so by your logic it should be priced at $500 instead. It would be a bargain in quality at least, but most likely a bargain in quality and price.
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
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what bargain bin pc ssd argument?
quality, speed and size cost $$ even on the PC.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Can’t compare witch does not exist…
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I think we had enough of your shenanigans today, right?
Are you buying the game? Do you have a PS5? If not, maybe you should enjoy something else.
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Captain Toad
Banned
Cerny is the greatest mind in modern console hardware design.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
starts a conversation then gets mad when you get an answer…
Captain Toad
Banned
Of course, witches don't exist. Who is saying otherwise?
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Nah, the conversation took too longer than needed, because this game isn't coming on PC nor Xbox. If you have an external SSD, use it. If you don't have one, use your internet to redownload games when needed. If you don't want to then wait until the last option is available as the market still can't offer sustainable performance nor have high enough specs to match the internal SSD.
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NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
Where was he when my PlayStation 4 sounded like a jet engine having sex with a vacuum cleaner
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Making my base PS4 and Pro completely silent, like all the PS4's I've seen in person, and that's more than 100 consoles to put it lightly because PS4 is the only console used with zero competition here.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Well thats the shitist proverb i've seen to date. If you didnt look at the finger, how would you know what they was doing in the first place..It's like when someone tells you if you have a corolla you can drive for 700km/miles with 40 liters of petrol, then a smart guy says that his HD truck can do that with 200 liters tank.
Derp.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
bring up other consoles in your 2nd post in this thread then pretends to be offended others do the same…
Never change it’s priceless.
Odd thing to say considering r&c ps4 was 25 gb, I guess 33 is smaller than 25 in the future due to inflation or something
texture compression and reduced duplication will stymie the ever-growing file sizes of games, but it isn't a magic bullet or anything, hopefully, ray tracing eventually eliminates the need for shadow and light maps as that will slow the sprawl of size, but games are going to keep getting bigger on average.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Not at all.
There is a world of difference b/w Ratchet & Clank (2016) and Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart. Most people expected Rift Apart to be more than 50 GB, with the higher-quality textures and 4K assets. The fact that it is just over 30 GB is amazing.
Also, Spider-Man Miles Morales on PS5 is roughly 20% smaller than PS4. Same game but with 4K assets and ray-tracing, but it is still smaller on PS5. So James is absolutely correct.
SLB1904
Banned
Yep finished the reboot last night. And the difference is pretty obvious. Really really obvious making 2016 reboot looking bad at times. Even the cgi in the reboot doesn't come close to rift apart models and materials
MasterCornholio
Member
To be fair compatible drives are probably already out. And will decrease in price overtime. All we are waiting on is for them to be enabled on the system.
At this point your arguing against the obvious.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Well yes didn't you know the price drops for PC parts overtime? Or do you believe that never happens?
You're basically going against the way a competitive hardware market functions.
Remember the price of the PS5s upgradable drive will depend on the PC market not one that Sony controls.
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Its amazes when some ppl look at it without factoring how much more is being put in the next gen games.
....like....if they remade the 2016 games for PS5....there is a good chance it would be smaller......we see this with damn near every cross gen game on PS5 right now.....
And Spider-Man Remastered....its basically the same size as the PS4 version, off by 1GB. But...the Remaster comes with all 3 DLC campaigns included. Include the DLC for the PS4 version and I think its 70+GB.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
True. And yes, SM + DLCs on PS4 is around 75 GB. I've it saved in my external HDD.
Next-gen games are indeed going smaller, and this is amazing!
The Hamburglar
Banned
Mate jog on. Your low effort trolling has been picked apart while you ignore peoples posts. Stop embarrassing yourself now.
220 dollars isn’t good value for 1tb no matter how much spin you put on it.
MasterCornholio
Member
I think this one is similar what the Series X has.
WD Blue™ SN550 NVMe™ SSD PCIe® Gen3 x4 NVMe™ Solid State Drive | Western Digital | Western Digital
Put NVMe™ power at the heart of your PC for lightning-fast, ultra-responsive performance. The WD Blue™ SN550 NVMe™ SSD can deliver over 4 times the speed of our best SATA SSDs. Whether you’re working, creating or processing large amounts of data, take advantage of this powerful internal drive’s...
It's a lot cheaper than the Seagate external.
PC SN530 NVMe SSD | Western Digital
The Western Digital PC SN530 NVMe™ SSD is designed for a multitude of applications that require both high performance and low power. The device is not only capable of more than three times the read speed over SATA SSDs, but further optimizes the low power consumption level to a mere 5mW...
The model number and the length is different but it's almost the same as the SN550.
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The Hamburglar
Banned
I think this one is similar what the Series X has.
WD Blue™ SN550 NVMe™ SSD PCIe® Gen3 x4 NVMe™ Solid State Drive | Western Digital | Western Digital
Put NVMe™ power at the heart of your PC for lightning-fast, ultra-responsive performance. The WD Blue™ SN550 NVMe™ SSD can deliver over 4 times the speed of our best SATA SSDs. Whether you’re working, creating or processing large amounts of data, take advantage of this powerful internal drive’s...shop.westerndigital.com
It's a lot cheaper than the Seagate external.
It’s better than the series x one but apparently ‘speed and build quality matter’
MasterCornholio
Member
It’s better than the series x one but apparently ‘speed and build quality matter’
Both have read speeds of 2.4 GB/s with uncompressed data.
Edit: I'm not saying it's a bad drive but it's overpriced compared to comparable drives. For around the same price you can get a 980 Pro. Which is much faster drive BTW.
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waxer
Member
Just buy multiple consoles if need more memory haha
Series s already discounted about 70usd here in nz 100nzd off to 447nzd
www.cheapies.nz
Expansion card is 400nzd
About 36ish usd difference between console and memory lol
These file sizes dropping by so much is cool. I don't buy in till mid gen when more games available and already discounts but will definitely need to go check ratchet at the brothers house.
Series s already discounted about 70usd here in nz 100nzd off to 447nzd
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Expansion card is 400nzd
About 36ish usd difference between console and memory lol
These file sizes dropping by so much is cool. I don't buy in till mid gen when more games available and already discounts but will definitely need to go check ratchet at the brothers house.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I think this one is similar what the Series X has.
WD Blue™ SN550 NVMe™ SSD PCIe® Gen3 x4 NVMe™ Solid State Drive | Western Digital | Western Digital
Put NVMe™ power at the heart of your PC for lightning-fast, ultra-responsive performance. The WD Blue™ SN550 NVMe™ SSD can deliver over 4 times the speed of our best SATA SSDs. Whether you’re working, creating or processing large amounts of data, take advantage of this powerful internal drive’s...
It's a lot cheaper than the Seagate external.
PC SN530 NVMe SSD | Western Digital
The Western Digital PC SN530 NVMe™ SSD is designed for a multitude of applications that require both high performance and low power. The device is not only capable of more than three times the read speed over SATA SSDs, but further optimizes the low power consumption level to a mere 5mW...www.westerndigital.com
The model number and the length is different but it's almost the same as the SN550.
Yup, with $26 adapter you can transfer games in/out at a whooping 75GB/min (10Gbps max "1.25GB/s" of USB 3.2 Gen2).
crazepharmacist
Member
Does anyone know if the digital deluxe edition…the armor sets it comes with…can they be unlocked through normal gameplay with the regular version or is the only way to get those sets is to pay for the digital deluxe edition?
Bo_Hazem
Banned
From what Insomniac said all can be obtained in-game. I actually bought the deluxe edition to support the devs. It comes with a comic ebook and soundtracks. But not 100% but that what I remember from the interview in Game Informer, I think.
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Yselacrey00
Banned
Who knows? I bet my ass big games are gonna come at a minimum of 100gb and more likely 150gb
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I think Digital Deluxe armor is exclusive. The pre-order Carbonox armor set is unlockable.