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[Sinn Fein]

I REALLY enjoy when Ryan (and Matt or others from Area 5) are on. He always has something solid and interesting to say. I'm sure he/they are busy, but I hope they'll stop by more often than just now and then. After what was on Listen UP last week with regard to RE5, it was nice to hear something ... else.

While I don't want to be rude, I do agree with some of the sentiments toward Arthur. Take it as constructive criticism. I think as the show has progressed he's gotten more comfortable with putting himself out there and sharing his opinions, but perhaps the inhibitions have disappeared a little too much. He seems to say things without thinking them through sometimes, and while with Ryan I find I'm almost always interested in what he's saying and am agreeing with him (or he's winning me over), that is exactly not the case with Arthur, who is coming across as a strong and overbearing personality on the program without a lot of positive contribution.

His cynicism is maybe catching a little too? I don't know. I've always enjoyed Anthony, but he doesn't seem to be saying much these days and he doesn't sound very happy to be there.

And what the hell is up with some people getting annoyed when others are talking about particular games? Even if it's not really real, it's still obnoxious hearing people sighing and whining. It's about what they're playing. Let them talk. Maybe you'll learn something or get curious about something you wouldn't have been before. That's what I hope for when I listen. Regardless, have a little respect. If the person doesn't have anything much to say or add on a game they've been playing that's fine, but if they do have something to say I don't think they should feel like they can't because someone else on the show is disinterested.

Pixeljunk Eden is awesome for Christ's sake. Maybe people don't know about the patch. It's always fun to hear little anecdotes even if they're from games that have already been discussed a lot. It's about sharing What You've Been Playing, whatever that experience has been recently.

 

[Aruarian Reflection]

I am not going to finish listening to this show. This guy, he interrupted every single sentense from every fucking body. What the fuck. The only one I care is Nick anyway. I am not listing to this shit. I am going to replay giant bomb or whatever.

Agreed, I gave RebelFM one last chance and stopped listening 20 minutes in. I unsubscribed from this podcast -- the only person I care about is Anthony Gallegos and he has such a small role in this show that it's not worth bothering with. Anthony would be much better suited on Ryan Scott's podcast imo. I've never liked Nick or the other host of 1upFM (I can't even remember his name, he's that memorable) so it's no surprise that I wouldn't like RebelFM.

EDIT: ^^^ Agree with all of that Arthur criticism as well.

 

[eznark]

I don't dislike Arthur, but he has certainly taken the show over.

Is COD2 available on any digital distribution sites?

 

[Deleted member 20415]

So I loved 1UP FM, and while I have enjoyed all the Rebel FM podcasts for the most part, I think Arthur needs to bow out. I didn't mind him as much in the first few episodes but I just don't like his personality or humor. It seems he's taken up a much larger role now and is way too prominent in discussions. To the point where I'm losing interest in the show.

Alone?

Certainly not alone. The guy is really, really annoying - thinks he's a know it all and and really tries to come off as an enlightened gamer, but it sounds hollow.

I listen to the show for the ex-1up guys, period, not someone who is a roommate of an ex-1up guy and it along for the ride.

 

[SelfCon]

It's a girl.


So I loved 1UP FM, and while I have enjoyed all the Rebel FM podcasts for the most part, I think Arthur needs to bow out. I didn't mind him as much in the first few episodes but I just don't like his personality or humor. It seems he's taken up a much larger role now and is way too prominent in discussions. To the point where I'm losing interest in the show.

Alone?

I agree...and please don't hold my MGS avatar against me.

 

[DuckRacer]

I don't dislike Arthur, but he has certainly taken the show over.

Is COD2 available on any digital distribution sites?

http://store.steampowered.com/search/?category1=998&term=call+of+duty+2

 

[rinker]

Alone?

Agreeeeed.

 

[soldat7]

Agreed, I gave RebelFM one last chance and stopped listening 20 minutes in. I unsubscribed from this podcast -- the only person I care about is Anthony Gallegos and he has such a small role in this show that it's not worth bothering with. Anthony would be much better suited on Ryan Scott's podcast imo. I've never liked Nick or the other host of 1upFM (I can't even remember his name, he's that memorable) so it's no surprise that I wouldn't like RebelFM.

EDIT: ^^^ Agree with all of that Arthur criticism as well.

Kefka is his name and FFVI is his game.

Rebel FM is the best video game podcast currently available. I think Arthur's alright.

 

[Polmacaoidh]

Episode 5 of the Arthur podcast...

Look, I don't intend to attack his personality, I don't know the guy at all, but he's putting himself out very publicly and he better be able to handle criticism. At the heart of it, he doesn't appear to have any respect or time for anyone else's opinions. Sighing and playing the misunderstood victim in the inane 'Halflife isn't a shooter' discussion was mind numbing. He had the inklings of some reasonably interesting ideas, namely how different mechanics of shooters affect the game, and I can understand why people don't enjoy the speedier, floatier movement of Valve compared to CoD or especially Halo (even if I love them). However, he becomes annoyingly defensive and is unable to backup or argue his claims at all, seemingly forgetting or having no idea why he thinks what he does so vehemently. If he can learn to understand why people enjoy things he doesn't and see from their point of view, it would go a long way.

Ryan O'Donnell singlehandedly saved the podcast. I look forward to the backlog (although I wish it was Bully), it was always my favourite segment, even if I'm not sure whether I'll keep listening to the main show.

 

[firehawk12]

Agreed, I gave RebelFM one last chance and stopped listening 20 minutes in. I unsubscribed from this podcast -- the only person I care about is Anthony Gallegos and he has such a small role in this show that it's not worth bothering with. Anthony would be much better suited on Ryan Scott's podcast imo. I've never liked Nick or the other host of 1upFM (I can't even remember his name, he's that memorable) so it's no surprise that I wouldn't like RebelFM.

EDIT: ^^^ Agree with all of that Arthur criticism as well.

Anthony on GeekBox would be kind of awesome, actually.

 

[DubloSeven]

Arthur and Nick are saying Half-Life isn't a good shooter. Bahahahahaha.

 

[CreativeJuices]

Less of the words "dick" and "fuck" out of Arthurs mouth would be appreciated.

 

[Proc]

Not sure where all this arthur hate is coming from. I thought he was fine on the other shows, haven't listened to this episode yet.

 

[eznark]

Not sure where all this arthur hate is coming from. I thought he was fine on the other shows, haven't listened to this episode yet.

He has been getting progressively more assertive. For good or ill I suppose depending on how much you appreciate his contribution to the show.

I'm kind of surprised they don't have more mics than they do.

 

[Brobzoid]

I'd like to reserve all this animosity towards Arthur until he gets back from his ban (or is he and just hiding?).


Next podcast best have Matt back in effect, him and Ryan have been a saving grace lately. I'm not trying to discredit the other people on the podcast, I really appreciate the discussion segments these latest podcasts have had. Go Phil (or whoever does that shit)

 

[diss]

i'm bored of this podcast. it's all just so... dry.

 

[The S-Word]

Damn i thought i was tripping when i couldn't finish the last podcast :lol

Pretty shocking to see everyone agrees with me on Arthur... Master Higgins on geekbox is actually a great addition in the former-1up podcast ring.. Arthur just sucks at discussion though man.

 

[Talon]

One of these days Ryan O'Donnell, Matt, Sharkey, and Parrish will do a podcast together.

I have no idea what they'd talk about it, but I'd listen.

 

[firehawk12]

Oh wow, the shooter discussion was... umm, yeah.

 

[ghst]

Oh wow, the shooter discussion was... umm, yeah.

yeah, just got through that snarky, pedantic clusterfuck. not sure i'll stick around for the rest.

 

[wenis]

Arthur and Nick are saying Half-Life 2 isn't a good shooter. Bahahahahaha.

fixed that for you.

Arthur still has some room to grow into being a podcaster. This is what? only 5 shows now? The 1up guys have had a couple years doing podcasts, being in front of the camera and taking a couple years of criticism to get it right.

 

[wolfmat]

Arthur and Nick are saying Half-Life isn't a good shooter. Bahahahahaha.

Haha seriously? I have to listen now, this is going to be fun.

 

[daycru]

I like Phillip but he should never, ever say "joining us on the Rebellion" ever again. Just makes me cringe.

 

[mambadragon]

I like Phillip but he should never, ever say "joining us on the Rebellion" ever again. Just makes me cringe.

I still haven't figured out who or what they're rebelling against.

 

[No_Style]

That shooter debate was awful. It can be salvaged if you just edit everyone else out and keep the Nick vs Ryan dialog.

I also agree with the "joining us on the Rebellion" stuff. A bit tacky. Same goes with the Portal voice sound clip.

 

[SonOfABeep]

I love this podcast, but the shooter arguement went both a bit long, and a bit nowhere.

Nobody's perfect and I still am exceedingly thankful for the show and will always listen and stay subscribed, but yeah, it was not their best ever. Rest of the show was fantastic.

 

[GDJustin]

Episode 5 of the Arthur podcast...

Look, I don't intend to attack his personality, I don't know the guy at all, but he's putting himself out very publicly and he better be able to handle criticism. At the heart of it, he doesn't appear to have any respect or time for anyone else's opinions. Sighing and playing the misunderstood victim in the inane 'Halflife isn't a shooter' discussion was mind numbing. He had the inklings of some reasonably interesting ideas, namely how different mechanics of shooters affect the game, and I can understand why people don't enjoy the speedier, floatier movement of Valve compared to CoD or especially Halo (even if I love them). However, he becomes annoyingly defensive and is unable to backup or argue his claims at all, seemingly forgetting or having no idea why he thinks what he does so vehemently. If he can learn to understand why people enjoy things he doesn't and see from their point of view, it would go a long way.

Ryan O'Donnell singlehandedly saved the podcast. I look forward to the backlog (although I wish it was Bully), it was always my favourite segment, even if I'm not sure whether I'll keep listening to the main show.

I think this is probably the most fair Arthur post in this topic, really. I've met him in person before and he's fine. A little drier and a little more negative than the rest of the crew, but I'm not sure you'd want a podcast with everyone 100% boisterous and lovey-dovey all the time anyway.

I guess the key is that his personality should be a perfect counter-weight to the rest of the crew, but he isn't being utilized in that manner, right now.

Arthur, if you're out there, some thoughts:

1) First off don't sweat the negativity in this topic. I've seen you post in previous RFM topics, and you seem to get personally invested/offended when people go negative. If you're gonna be a podcast personality, you're going to take some shots. People will say things on message boards they'd never say in person. All these "HATE HATE" peeps in this topic would probably be more like "it's a little much sometimes but overall you're cool" if you were face-to-face, with them.

2) A podcast ISN'T just "have a conversation and record it!" - what this episode of RFM showed, more than anything else, is that you guys need to sit down before you record, decide on a few key points you want to land on during the recording, and everyone formulate their own (hopefully) well-thought-out and defensible positions on said subjects.

3) Negativity is fine. Extreme negativity is fine. Negativity towards your fellow podcasters is not fine.

 

[rocksolidaudio]

I love this podcast, but the shooter arguement went both a bit long, and a bit nowhere.

Nobody's perfect and I still am exceedingly thankful for the show and will always listen and stay subscribed, but yeah, it was not their best ever. Rest of the show was fantastic.

thanks, seems like a fair assessment. to be honest (and as you could tell), we weren't really prepared and assumed our off-air discussion would turn into something interesting on-air. seems it didn't, so future discussion will be a bit more planned out.

 

[voltron]

I think what the show needs is some humour. Some self-deprecation.

For the Arthur haters: Like I said earlier, this is probably his first ever regular podcast. None of the 1up folks were perfect at it when they first started. Give him some time and well likely see him reign himself in somewhat and mesh more with the group dynamic.

I agree with whoever it was that said Ryan saved the podcast. Listening to the "HL2 is not a shooter" tirade without the ability to comment was excruciating:lol Lucky Ryan was there, and to a lesser extent, Chuff.

 

[SonOfABeep]

thanks, seems like a fair assessment. to be honest (and as you could tell), we weren't really prepared and assumed our off-air discussion would turn into something interesting on-air. seems it didn't, so future discussion will be a bit more planned out.

The problem I think most people had was that the arguement became a little too circular and almost like arthur wasn't willing to admit or realize when his points became weak compared to Ryan's counterpoints. Trim the discussion by a few minutes and you have a good segment.

When the point was made about Half Life having sub-par shooting mechanics I couldn't help but think of the gauss cannon(I think that's what it's called, the combine rifle), which despite being kind of underpowered, was one of my favorite guns to use in any shooter due the sound and the effect of it.

I enjoyed listening to the show. No complaints here. Unprepared discussion can be good, but Arthur seemed more interested in "winning" the debate than making good points. He's new too though, I would probably make the same mistake. Now you guys can learn from that and make the show even better!

 

[Grecco]

I thought Ryan was going to sock Arthur one when he went something like "oooooh big statement there". Tone the smugness down a notch, also use the word dicks less. For example, when referencing to how Nick really liked Braid, or how people wanted Bully for the backlog.

Still good show. Even if the Shooter part was kind of a downer.

 

[dasupremeone]

I kinda get the argument Nick and Arthur, but I just chalked it up as Half Life 2 has multiple ways to progress through the game besides shooting.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

Wow @ arthur saying 'area5 apologizes for re5'. ryanod has played the full game, you've played the demo. let him speak.. ugh!

 

[SuperPac]

Kat said that Guitar Hero/Rock Band weren't released there because there's no sound proofing in Japanese homes/apartments? Buuuuuuut... Guitar Freaks, Drummania, DDR, etc. were released in Japan. I think it's more to do with the music genre being "over" in Japan. Long over. (What's left is really for the hardcore only.)

 

[BigKaboom2]

For the Arthur haters: Like I said earlier, this is probably his first ever regular podcast.

Just FYI they did 17 podcasts prior to Anthony going to 1UP that are still available on Eat-Sleep-Game. I think they were all or mostly just two-man though.

 

[firehawk12]

thanks, seems like a fair assessment. to be honest (and as you could tell), we weren't really prepared and assumed our off-air discussion would turn into something interesting on-air. seems it didn't, so future discussion will be a bit more planned out.

Honestly, I think a lot of the discussion would have been more focused if the topic had been "what makes a good console shooter". Without that qualification, it became a console vs PC discussion and a Valve on console discussion at the same time and neither point really went anywhere.

Besides, Ryan's point about wanting to play TF2 on PC and CoD4 on console pretty much settled the whole Valve/IW and PC/360 thing in a single sentence.

 

[voltron]

The problem I think most people had was that the arguement became a little too circular and almost like arthur wasn't willing to admit or realize when his points became weak compared to Ryan's counterpoints. Trim the discussion by a few minutes and you have a good segment.

When the point was made about Half Life having sub-par shooting mechanics I couldn't help but think of the gauss cannon(I think that's what it's called, the combine rifle), which despite being kind of underpowered, was one of my favorite guns to use in any shooter due the sound and the effect of it.

I enjoyed listening to the show. No complaints here. Unprepared discussion can be good, but Arthur seemed more interested in "winning" the debate than making good points. He's new too though, I would probably make the same mistake. Now you guys can learn from that and make the show even better!

Yeah I noticed that too. He often seems more interested in winning the argument or proving his point, than listening to others and potentially re-evaluating his POV.

 

[TheMostGorgeous]

Oh man this is awesome. A podcast by ex-1upers who actually have a fucking clue (read: not Garnett Lee or John Davison), yes!

 

[Fina1e]

Oh man this is awesome. A podcast by ex-1upers who actually have a fucking clue (read: not Garnett Lee or John Davison), yes!

gtfo.

 

[TheMostGorgeous]

gtfo.

you first!

 

[FartOfWar]

Arthur and Nick are saying Half-Life isn't a good shooter. Bahahahahaha.

Durp.

 

[dfyb]

i didn't have a problem with arthur until this FPS conversation. that havok response to halo gravity was :wtf: and then he acts like he wasn't talking about the jumping. he sounds like one of those people who got into FPS with halo and put it on a pedestal against everything else.

they're comparing FPS entirely within the context of console ports -- L4D's shooting is basically as tight as possible on PC. i am just annoyed they talk about HL2 from a console perspective. Ryan's opinion that HL2 is about shooting is valid, but i hope he has the same belief for Fallout 3 and Resident Evil 5.

i think HL2's gunplay needs to be quantified. i see the gravity gun as part of HL2's shooting and gunplay. some of the weapons are underwhelming, but the gravity gun makes up for it ten fold. the battle experiences in HL2 are SO much more memorable to me than anything in a halo, gears, or call of duty game. HL2 is so much more dynamic with the gravity gun -- the possibilities are near endless. i doubt i'd have much fun playing HL2 on consoles -- it's a PC title and the game is designed around a mouse.

i didn't think counter-strike would be brought up, but it was. and arthur hates it. counter-strike is the pinnacle of top tier gunplay. arthur's limited console-only perspective is just not a universal perspective worth arguing with.

edit: hoooly shit kat surprisingly pulled through with an awesome comment. doesn't sound like she plays many shooters, but she nailed it with that 'fault with the console' comment. and i'm not saying shooters can't be good on console, but some games are designed for PC (like HL2, L4D) and just don't translate as well to console.

 

[voltron]

Durp.

I was longing for you to be in that discussion Shawn. Have you heard it?

 

[wolfmat]

So why do they say HL2 isn't a good shooter? I couldn't make it through the podcast.

 

[voltron]

So why do they say HL2 isn't a good shooter? I couldn't make it through the podcast.

Essentially because HL2 has elements such as narrative, characters and character development, persistent fiction, vehicles, exploration etc. I assume thats why because they are the only differences that separate it and COD4.

 

[iDoubleSpy]

Arthur and Nick's argument felt like it was sort of being thought up as Ryan was stomping the shit out of the inane bull they were spewing.

Arthur is a cock smuggler. He absolutely has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to shooters. Team Fortress 2 doesn't need super tight controls, it just needs to be fun, which is fucking is.

I'll never listen to anything that he has to say again, he really needs to learn what "good controls" for a shooter are. I also loved how Ryan kept calling him out and Arthur couldn't even explain what makes HL or TF2 a bad shooter in terms on controls...

 

[Barrett2]

Im' pretty much sick of this podcast. It dawned on me today that I really can't stand listening to any of these guys other than Suttner. Everyone else is smug / boring.

 

[TouchMyBox]

Arthur is a cock smuggler. He absolutely has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to shooters. Team Fortress 2 doesn't need super tight controls, it just needs to be fun, which is fucking is.

I'll never listen to anything that he has to say again, he really needs to learn what "good controls" for a shooter are. I also loved how Ryan kept calling him out and Arthur couldn't even explain what makes HL or TF2 a bad shooter in terms on controls...

TF2 doesn't have super tight controls?

 

[FartOfWar]

I was longing for you to be in that discussion Shawn. Have you heard it?

No. From what I gather there's an argument that goes:

'Guys, I used the gravity gun to move vehicles on a broken bridge, which allowed me to use the remains as a ramp. That's not shooting. How is this a shooter again?" No thanks.

Or maybe it's a matter of comparing feedback associated with firing guns in one game to another as though that's the sole criteria for gauging accomplishment. Again, no thanks.

 

[iDoubleSpy]

TF2 doesn't have super tight controls?

I've been playing TF2 on and off for since day 1, and it has very "loose" controls at best. I don't know why they never mentioned mouse sensitivity as an extension to making the controls work for YOU.

If someone say's something stupid like "well I shouldn't have to mess with the options" then just stop playing PC games. I play with my sensitivity more towards the 10 range so I can do what I want.

I am really surprised to hear Arthur talk smack on a game he obviously has no experience with. Every class has the same "basic" control movement, but they all control differently...