Rebel FM — Episode 5 — 02/04/09: Dawn of War II Beta, RE5, and Afro Samurai + MORE!

FartOfWar said:
No. From what I gather there's an argument that goes:

'Guys, I used the gravity gun to move vehicles on a broken bridge, which allowed me to use the remains as a ramp. That's not shooting. How is this a shooter again?" No thanks.
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That was part of it yeah.

I think what would have saved the discussion is for them to just frame it as a preference for one game over another. Instead of saying HL2 is a worse shooter than COD4, they could have just said "I prefer HL2", or "I prefer COD" and it would have been fine. Trying to say one is fundamentally 'better' than the other - when youre talking about 2 of the finest shooters ever developed - is silly.
 
voltron said:
That was part of it yeah.

I think what would have saved the discussion is for them to just frame it as a preference for one game over another. Instead of saying HL2 is a worse shooter than COD4, they could have just said "I prefer HL2", or "I prefer COD" and it would have been fine. Trying to say one is fundamentally 'better' than the other - when youre talking about 2 of the finest shooters ever developed - is silly.
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That segment is still just pissing me off. It made me wish Shawn was there to shut them the fuck up. I agree with Ryan that HL's gun is the best gun I've ever used.

I really wished they talked about sensitivity, because thats what makes any controls on any shooter work for me, regardless of how "bad" it is.
 
Flavius said:
Honeymoon's over.
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Plus they now have the complication of having less access to games not yet released. When you are talking about games that your audience has equal access to, your discussion needs to be more substantive. Any dope can bullshit about a game nobody has actually played, but when you are parsing a game your audience has also experienced, thin discussions without meaningful insights get old very quick.
 
I'm not enjoying this podcast anymore. I can't stand Arthur cause he interrupts everyone and thinks his opinion is the only opinion. And nothing against Nick, but I can't listen to his voice. Wish Anthony would talk more too. I'll still subscribe to the podcast, but I doubt I'll listen to it much.
 
I haven't listened to this episode of the podcast, but I played through the original Half Life ten years ago, and loved it. However, when I played Half Life 2, I was disappointed with the gun play. Alex (sp?) was awesome, the story was interesting, and the graphics/sound were great. But I just didn't have a great experience with the combat. None of the guns felt "real" to me. I still played through Episodes 1 and 2, which were great games, but not for their gun play. That's an area that IMO CoD 4 has done an excellent job with.
 
dfyb said:
Giants: Citizen Kabuto would be the best choice for backlog. game is sooo good.
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Explain?

I got to part where you have to save the children with your jet pack, and stopped. That isn't to say it was bad, but I need motivation to moved passed the horrible British dialogue.
 
A: People don't talk about great sequences in Half-Life
R: I would argue the stalker battle is a fantastic action sequence in Half Life
A: Yeah but what part of Half-Life?
R: The introduction of the stalkers in Half-Life episode 2
A: Yeah but what part?

WTF?

EDIT: A: I feel like i'm surviving the shooting rather than enjoying it.

WTF?
 
Flavius said:
Honeymoon's over.
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less than a month after starting this thing in a complete hurry, in some of the busiest/most overwhelming times of our lives? if some of you are going to stop listening because of one episode you don't like, there's not much we can do about that, but it'd be nice if you give us a chance to figure things out and hopefully hit some sort of stride.
 
iDoubleSpy said:
Explain?

I got to part where you have to save the children with your jet pack, and stopped. That isn't to say it was bad, but I need motivation to moved passed the horrible British dialogue.
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That really early part where it's teaching you how to use the jetpack? It's barely even started by then, and the game itself is primarily a shooter, but there's all sorts of stuff crammed in there later on. As for the British voices, I think the crappiness ads to the whole feel of the game, it's obviously not supposed to be serious.
 
rocksolidaudio said:
less than a month after starting this thing in a complete hurry, in some of the busiest/most overwhelming times of our lives? if some of you are going to stop listening because of one episode you don't like, there's not much we can do about that, but it'd be nice if you give us a chance to figure things out and hopefully hit some sort of stride.
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More a reflection on the comments here than a reaction to what you guys are doing on the show. ;)

Keep at it and I'll keep listening.
 
ballsy discussion about half life 2.

i'm pro half life (valve is up there as one of my fav. devs) and was rooting for Ryan (and co.), but I'm glad you guys had such a debate.
 
rocksolidaudio said:
less than a month after starting this thing in a complete hurry, in some of the busiest/most overwhelming times of our lives? if some of you are going to stop listening because of one episode you don't like, there's not much we can do about that, but it'd be nice if you give us a chance to figure things out and hopefully hit some sort of stride.
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im still listening.
 
voltron said:
im still listening.
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Same.

I am excited to do Call of Cthulhu as backlog. I played it with someone a few years ago and missed about 50% of the game. Very very damn good game. I am waiting for my GPU to arrive in the mail, so I will have to wait to play.

I'm sure I can catch up to you.
 
I haven't listened to this show or any RebelFM, but this thread is awesome when you consider the insane praise GAF was giving these kids like three weeks ago.
 
I don't see anything wrong with the podcast, I enjoyed listening to them, not just for games that I haven't played yet. They still have me as a listener.
 
CoC: DCotE has REALLY awful parts. For example
the escape from the first to the second town and what follows then
. Awful shit.
But on the other hand, it has some very cool stuff as well.

I won't join the backlog, I beat it just half a year ago and have no interest in revisiting it.
 
rocksolidaudio said:
less than a month after starting this thing in a complete hurry, in some of the busiest/most overwhelming times of our lives? if some of you are going to stop listening because of one episode you don't like, there's not much we can do about that, but it'd be nice if you give us a chance to figure things out and hopefully hit some sort of stride.
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Hey, I'm going to keep listening. I just think Arthur and Nick shouldn't talk about Half-Life anymore.
 
rocksolidaudio said:
less than a month after starting this thing in a complete hurry, in some of the busiest/most overwhelming times of our lives? if some of you are going to stop listening because of one episode you don't like, there's not much we can do about that, but it'd be nice if you give us a chance to figure things out and hopefully hit some sort of stride.
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It's understandable, but then...perhaps it would've been better to let things settle down before starting a new podcast? I think most people doing podcasts today would be overjoyed with listeners giving them 4-5 chances to improve.
Now, personally I think it's entertaining enough for me to keep listening on and off. But I'm just saying, I don't blame people for giving up after five episodes, especially when there are other gaming podcasts to listen to.
 
atomsk said:
the Persona anime wasnt that bad
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It was for me, couldn't get through one episode.

Anyways, yeah the shooter discussion didn't really work because the conversation was so bogged down into semantics of the term "FPS".
 
Arthur is like Garnett Lee on 1UP Yours, but for serious...also a dick.

If only the podcast worked like GAF and we could ban him.
 
Everytime that Arthur guy opened his mouth I wanted to punch a kitten.

And the shooter discussion. holy shit.

WTF at Anthony not saying anything at all in the entire show, the funniest guy there barely talks.
 
Anthony is the only reason to listen to this podcast and he barely talks.

I think he's too busy playing host and getting people drinks to concentrate on the game talk.

Plus, Nick not liking Half-Life 2? Add it to his mega list of contrary opinions. Shit's getting a wee bit predicatable at this point.
 
This episode's most interesting parts was when they talked about the games (SHOCKING). like RE5 and KZ2, I wanted to hear more from those games, from Ryan and Suttner but that fuck Arthur keeps interupting everybody and destroying the whole flow.

Another good example was when the Eden talk kicks in, he tries to make shitty jokes and can't hear shit what the other guys are saying.
 
CartridgeBlower said:
Plus, Nick not liking Half-Life 2? Add it to his mega list of contrary opinions. Shit's getting a wee bit predicatable at this point.
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woah woah woah...did you actually listen to any of it? particularly the part where i said i gave Orange Box a 9.5? half-life 2 is easily one of the best games ever, i'm not a completely tasteless moron. i said it's not great as a dedicated shooter; rather, for about a million other reasons. also curious, what else is on my "mega list"? :-)
 
rocksolidaudio said:
woah woah woah...did you actually listen to any of it? particularly the part where i said i gave Orange Box a 9.5? half-life 2 is easily one of the best games ever, i'm not a completely tasteless moron. i said it's not great as a dedicated shooter; rather, for about a million other reasons. also curious, what else is on my "mega list"? :-)
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would it have gotten a 10 for pc? i remember you saying something about docking it down to 9.5 because of how it handled on a control pad.
 
I don't know if I'd get into an argument about whether it's a great shooter or not, as that seems like splitting genre hairs, but I can definitely agree that depending on your preference the controls of the Half-Life series can leave something to be desired. For myself, while the movement and look is certainly very fast and twitchy, I never get a keen sense that I'm controlling a person, an actual body, rather than gliding box, with a gun poking out of it.
 
Rapping Granny said:
Everytime that Arthur guy opened his mouth I wanted to punch a kitten.

And the shooter discussion. holy shit.

WTF at Anthony not saying anything at all in the entire show, the funniest guy there barely talks.
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And the only thing Anthony said was factually incorrect. What a lame episode.
 
Come on Arthur, drop the crude language. It is just distasteful. I don't wanna be listening to the podcasts only to keep hearing about dicks and cocks in people's mouths.

I know you are banned, but hopefully you read this.
 
Damn guys, lay off a little. They expressed their opinions on Half Life 2, for better or for worse. Actually, I find it more interesting than the usual (insert Sacred Cow here) love fest. Maybe some of the arguments weren't presented as well as they could have been, but I think at this point if they've read this far through the thread they get the general sentiment. No need to pile on.
 
ghst said:
would it have gotten a 10 for pc? i remember you saying something about docking it down to 9.5 because of how it handled on a control pad.
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HL2 controls like shit on consoles compared to PC... So does TF2.
 
i reckon orange box controls on 360 were horrible and floaty. it was a lot better in left 4 dead though

rocksolidaudio said:
less than a month after starting this thing in a complete hurry, in some of the busiest/most overwhelming times of our lives? if some of you are going to stop listening because of one episode you don't like, there's not much we can do about that, but it'd be nice if you give us a chance to figure things out and hopefully hit some sort of stride.
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i'll come back if it does get better, but until then i'd rather have the 45MB and one and half hours free each week to listen to something else
 
a Master Ninja said:
And the only thing Anthony said was factually incorrect. What a lame episode.
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:lol

I agree with recent sentiments though... Chuff! Get involved man! People like to hear what you got to say. Youre funny, and this desperately needs more funny. Actually on the couple occasions you did talk this show you had some funny happening (when you werent getting shit blatantly wrong).

The core podcast is Nick - Chuff - Phil. Everyone else should be periphery.
 
CreativeJuices said:
Stalker or Strider?
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I think Ryan meant Hunter.

I didn't really feel like Arthur was talking over people. It might have just been the audio levels. The others sounded kinda echoey and at a distance, while Arthur and Kat were louder and more upfront. I could do with less dick jokes though.
 
Seems that people are taking shit way too seriously. I'm not the biggest FPS gamer, so maybe that's why I took the conversation so differently, but I think it's fine for people to debate their opinions in a free flowing conversation (BS Report nod). Though in the future it would be nice if it was more substantive. Even as a casual fan of FPS, it seemed too ephemeral.

That said, it does seem that Arthur seems to have been monopolized the new podcast too much. I appreciate different voices, but think Phil or Nick should be MCing the podcast more, providing it with more structure and focus, giving room for for Anthony to add his unique, entertaining, and comedic voice, and having Arthur doing what he seems to do well, play devil's advocate/be an asshole, but as a complement to the whole and not overwhelming and deriding the show.

And while he may not have the journalistic cred and background to seem to be an informed and authentic voice on games, I think it's clear Arthur is a pretty hardcore gamer. Instead of trying to think of him as a fellow ex-1upper, equate him to the Joe the Plumber of gaming podcasts.
 
Arthur wasn't talking over people, people were talking over Arthur.

I do think there's something very simplistic about Half Life, but it's not the guns. The guns are fine. It's the basic movement that is jarring. Gordon Freeman moves and jumps as if he has no knees, no feet and no pelvis. There's no sway, no downward jolt to build up a jump, nothing. He's more of a unicycle than a human body. 1up people used to call it "camera on a stick" phenomenon whenever it appears in games they don't respect as much.
 
Kat Bailey and Dana Jongewaard are the only female gaming journalists on a podcast that haven't made me want to turn an episode off. They don't suffer from Morgan Webb syndrome.

Anthony: You CAN invite someone off your friends list to play co-op in RE5 demo. Choose Partner mode and then host the game and invite a friend.
 
These guys literally just started and there is one episode you dont like and you guys are giving up already? well whatever. Everyone gets a chance IMO.

Rebel FM guys, keep improving on your work, I appreciate all the shit you guys do.
 
Shiggie said:
These guys literally just started and there is one episode you dont like and you guys are giving up already? well whatever. Everyone gets a chance IMO.

Rebel FM guys, keep improving on your work, I appreciate all the shit you guys do.
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No one is giving up. Some stupid peeps seem to think they can only listen to one or two podcasts and say things like "well its back to xyz podcast for me", but the majority are just complaining.

Its a sign people care about a product. Look at the endless 1upyours threads where people complained about personnel changes and topics of discussion. Its because people were passionate about the show, and people are complaining here because they want this to be as good a show as we know it can be.
 
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