Recent Sony announcements an attempt to keep 3rd party loyalty?

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Has anyone else thought that the recent announcements sony has made are probably an attempt to keep third parties loyal, especially with the upcoming release of the PSP?

First sony announces that the PlayStation Portable will go on sale for 19,800 yen, far cheaper than anyone expected and thus taking the brunt force of introducing a new product themselves. At 19,800 yen the system is far more consumer friendly. Not to mention Sony increasing the amount of ram on the PSP as per request from developers, the PSP could have been even cheaper.

Second they announce in combination with IBM that the cell won't be difficult to develop for. Whether or not that is true has yet to be seen, but doesn't take away from the fact that they came out with such a statement.

Then, finally the announcement of collaberation with Nvidia. Many problems with the PS2 stem from the GS and the limited development tools.

These things combined make me feel sony feeling eager if not anxious to please 3rd party development in the industry.
 
"At 19,800 yen the system is far more consumer friendly."

then surely Kutaragi should have made sure developers knew this was the master plan from the start and Sony would have had a lot more support (and perhaps Nintendo would have had less). Unless....
 
Second they announce in combination with IBM that the cell won't be difficult to develop for. Whether or not that is true has yet to be seen, but doesn't take away from the fact that they came out with such a statement.
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My god...you're right! And here I was thinking they'd come out and say it would be really hard to develop for!

Seriously, what's with the recent trend of junior members starting ridiculous threads?
 
Galian Beast said:
i hardly think it's stating the obvious, as sony generally hasn't gone out of it's way to please anyone.
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You mean other than the absolute blockbuster record profits by EA, Take-Two, Activision, Gamestop, Electronics Boutique, and many others? Those companies have done so much better this generation financially, it's not even funny.

I'd say that's what pleases these companies above all else.
 
I don't think Sony really knew exactly what they were going to do with the price. I think they were looking for a low point, but didn't know exactly how long they could/should go.

I don't think Sony initially was going to price it so low, but seeing that they needed to boost 3rd party support for the psp, and reaction at TGS this is what they came up with.
 
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WHY?
 
SonyCowboy, I am refering to increased feelings from 3rd party's regarding the playstation brand, and their views on other systems.

You've seen quite a few companies spreading their wings towards microsoft and nintendo.

Electronic Arts going with Xbox Live.
TakeTwo and their Xbox GTA Collection.
Activision... I really don't have anything to say about them, I don't see them as all that important.
Gamestop and Electronic Boutique? Since when were they developers?

I am simply refering to a lot of companies complaining about Sony, or focusing their support on non PS brand systems. I think Sony has made the public aware of their moves in order to please developers to a greater extent.

With the price of the PSP, combined with this refreshing view of the PS3 I think a lot of developers are going to think twice about where they should focus their attention in the coming months and years.
 
Fafalada said:
SCEA take 3rd party developers to gay bars when they want their loyalty.

It's true, I swear!
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Girl!
I wanna take you to a gay bar,
I wanna take you to a gay bar,
I wanna take you to a gay bar, gay bar, gay bar.

Let's start a war, start a console war,
At the gay bar, gay bar, gay bar.
Wow!
At the gay bar.

Now tell me can ya, can ya give me exclusives?
I want your time-lapsed exclusives,
at the gay bar, gay bar, gay bar.

(Pause)

I've got a dev kit I can give you,
I've got a dev kit I can give you,
I've got a dev kit I can give you,
At the gay bar, gay bar, gay bar.
Wow!

You're a developer, at the gay bar.
You're a developer, at the gay bar.
Yeah! you're a developer, at the gay bar.
You're a developer, at the gay bar.
Developer.
Sony exclusive developer.
 
Galian Beast said:
SonyCowboy, I am refering to increased feelings from 3rd party's regarding the playstation brand, and their views on other systems.

You've seen quite a few companies spreading their wings towards microsoft and nintendo.

Electronic Arts going with Xbox Live.
TakeTwo and their Xbox GTA Collection.
Activision... I really don't have anything to say about them, I don't see them as all that important.
Gamestop and Electronic Boutique? Since when were they developers?

I am simply refering to a lot of companies complaining about Sony, or focusing their support on non PS brand systems. I think Sony has made the public aware of their moves in order to please developers to a greater extent.

With the price of the PSP, combined with this refreshing view of the PS3 I think a lot of developers are going to think twice about where they should focus their attention in the coming months and years.
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I'd have to say that your interpretation of events is incredibly juevenille. This isn't kickball and EA was on Sony's team, but switched sides. EA, Take-Two, and every other company has backed Sony predominantly and when the financial opporunities arose to profit from the Xbox (which has been successful for just about every publisher), they took it.
 
Well Galian Beast your thread is better than Mcalls... not by much though.
 
I'm not saying that Electronic Art's switched sides or something. Your emotions are really showing here...

I am simply saying that it looks like sony is taking steps in which it would prevent companies from looking for greener grass on the other side of the fence.

Electronic Arts went out of its way to reach the xbox userbase with Xbox Live. It had not done so previously. No matter how you look at that, it's going to be a move away from Sony. Who they had for the most part been satisfied in dealing with exclusively.

Nor could Sony ignore recent sales in North America where the Xbox has been doing much better recently being the more advanced system.

It all adds up whether you want to see it or not. Sony has lost a lot of potential business due to their shortcomings, and it looks to ME that they are trying to prevent that in the future.
 
Darien, this isn't simply about news about nVidia on the PS3. It's simply about an increasingly obvious picture that sony has been forming not only in the last two weeks, but in the last month or so. And I expect it to continue although obviously not at this pace, throughout til events such as e3.
 
Galian Beast said:
I'm not saying that Electronic Art's switched sides or something. Your emotions are really showing here...

I am simply saying that it looks like sony is taking steps in which it would prevent companies from looking for greener grass on the other side of the fence.

Electronic Arts went out of its way to reach the xbox userbase with Xbox Live. It had not done so previously. No matter how you look at that, it's going to be a move away from Sony. Who they had for the most part been satisfied in dealing with exclusively.

Nor could Sony ignore recent sales in North America where the Xbox has been doing much better recently being the more advanced system.

It all adds up whether you want to see it or not. Sony has lost a lot of potential business due to their shortcomings, and it looks to ME that they are trying to prevent that in the future.
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...you do release that the closer to the release of a system a company gets... the more talkative a company is going to become... right? You do know that right?

So basically your first post listing other developers was bullshit, and all you've got is... EA announced XBL support.

EA's back and forth negotations with MS has been going on since the before XBL launched, EA wanted what it wanted and wasn't moving til it got a deal it like. It now has that deal... so of course they are going to support the system. They're supporting the PSP.... and the DS too....

OMG EA IS MOVING TOWARDS NINTENDO!!
 
DarienA... the PS3 is far from release... Sony has been fairly tight lipped about things, but amidst news and negatively for the PlayStation 2 sony has open up with reassurance about the PS3.

DarienA learn how to read.

For over a year Electronic Arts gave up on Xbox Live.

Electronic Arts has been one of the largest supporters of the PlayStation Portable. Your sarcasm has no merit. It's very easy to be sarcastic and thus dismisive, but you don't add credence to your claims by doing so.
 
Galian Beast said:
DarienA... the PS3 is far from release... Sony has been fairly tight lipped about things, but amidst news and negatively for the PlayStation 2 sony has open up with reassurance about the PS3.

DarienA learn how to read.

For over a year Electronic Arts gave up on Xbox Live.

Electronic Arts has been one of the largest supporters of the PlayStation Portable. Your sarcasm has no merit. It's very easy to be sarcastic and thus dismisive, but you don't add credence to your claims by doing so.
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You do realize that posting an original thread that has absolutely no insight along with numerous follow up posts that portray you as a whining, still clueless, junior member aren't going to further your argument, don't you?

You've made absolutely no comments worth conversation and that's the reason you're getting all this static.
 
Galian Beast said:
DarienA... the PS3 is far from release... Sony has been fairly tight lipped about things, but amidst news and negatively for the PlayStation 2 sony has open up with reassurance about the PS3.

DarienA learn how to read.

For over a year Electronic Arts gave up on Xbox Live.

Electronic Arts has been one of the largest supporters of the PlayStation Portable. Your sarcasm has no merit. It's very easy to be sarcastic and thus dismisive, but you don't add credence to your claims by doing so.
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<chokes on potato chip>

Given up on XBL? Are you f'n kidding me? EA was asked at almost every financial statement release what their status was with MS. MS was asked the same. Each time they gave the general answer that negotiations were always ongoing... WTF are you talking about?

Sony just publically announced the release of the Cell chip you know and since it relates to the PS3 of course they are going to start to talk about PS3... hello McFly?

BTW I've also heard that it's all really a ploy and that Nintendo is about to merge with EA... YOU HEARD IT HEAR FIRST DOOD!!!!
 
SonyCowboy, think for a second to where you are and what you are doing. I knew you when i used to post on this site, and my opinion of you hasn't change at all. Your for some reason attached to sony and simply lash out at anyone who doesn't share your same ideals.

Electronic Arts at one time said that they had ended negotiations with Microsoft about getting into Xbox Live. Many xbox fans didn't like the news, I'm surprised you didn't know/remember.

I am talking about the ease of development, issues already brought up about the difficulty to develop for the cell, and then SCE/IBM make a direct comment rivaling previous statements, then days later SCE announces a partnership with nVidia in the same vein as the previous cell announcement...

mcfly... LMAO
 
Galian Beast said:
SonyCowboy, think for a second to where you are and what you are doing. I knew you when i used to post on this site, and my opinion of you hasn't change at all. Your for some reason attached to sony and simply lash out at anyone who doesn't share your same ideals.

Electronic Arts at one time said that they had ended negotiations with Microsoft about getting into Xbox Live. Many xbox fans didn't like the news, I'm surprised you didn't know/remember.

I am talking about the ease of development, issues already brought up about the difficulty to develop for the cell, and then SCE/IBM make a direct comment rivaling previous statements, then days later SCE announces a partnership with nVidia in the same vein as the previous cell announcement...

mcfly... LMAO
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OMG I fold this is conclusive evidence that Sony is in trouble.

You are one hell of a detective.

Can I hire you to find my childhood sweetheart?
 
OK, let's be serious here; just imagine the impact of the joint Nvidia/Sony GPU announcement on the PC developers' side.

ID and Epic have had a fantastic relationship with NVIDIA, and PS3 could be their big chance to make a lot of money off console game sales. In the past, their console games were always behind the tech curve. This time around, they could be the tech leaders and the pioneers. Not to mention they could make a lot of money too.
 
LMAO...

I don't know who taught you how to read... but never did I claim sony was in trouble.

I simply said they were taking steps to strengthen 3rd parties ties.

man, you ARE amusing.
 
Izzy said:
OK, let's be serious here; just imagine the impact of the joint Nvidia/Sony GPU announcement on the PC developers' side.

ID and Epic have had a fantastic relationship with NVIDIA, and PS3 could be their big chance to make a lot of money off console game sales.
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I didn't even think about that. This also could mean a lot to PC developers in terms of their development on the PS3. The Xbox has received plenty of support from PC developers because of the ease of codeveloping or porting games to the Xbox.
 
Galian Beast said:
LMAO...

I don't know who taught you how to read... but never did I claim sony was in trouble.

I simply said they were taking steps to strengthen 3rd parties ties.

man, you ARE amusing.
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Let me be real for a second and ask you this.

Do you honestly think that a public announcement does more to strengthen ties with 3rd parties than the actual back and forth off the radar meetings and conversations that go on between 1st and 3rd parties?

Public announcements are shows for the press and public my friend.
 
You should know that many companies and their employees do not speak directly to sony on a day to day basis, and to some extent (clearly not the same) they get news just like we do.

You would see people in game development and retail just as shocked at the announced price for example as we were. In fact I heard many people within SCE didn't even know about the price of the PSP for example.

I can bet you that most companies or at least their development studios had no idea sony was working with nvidia, and that upon hearing this news have plenty of positive thoughts/hopes on the future of the ps3, that they did not have before.
 
The impact is going to be huge. If, and if this is a cross licencing deal between Sony and NVIDIA, you're going to have a very similar GPU in PS3 and future Nvidia PC GPU.

So this prolly means the simultaneous launch of the next gen Unreal or Doom game on both the PC and the PS3, right?;)
 
From what I gathered it's going to be a custom geforce card using some of sony's technology probably gathered from their own gpu development.

I don't think this technology will be exclusive to the PS3, but I really don't know if anything from sony's end is going to be used in PCs. I don't really see it. I simply see Geforce 7s being similar in technology to what will be used in the PS3.

nVidia won't even be making the GPUs, sony will. So basically I think nvidia is simply helping design the PS3 hardware and the PS3 will actually use nvidia's next generation geforce card which will be manufactured by sony who will like other video card manufacturers adding their own elements and technology.
 
Galian, it's a jointly developed GPU, and it will be manufactured by Sony. Now, according to B3D's very own Dave Baumann, it is a cross licencing agreement - which points to Cell tech in the future Nvidia GPUs and Nvidia's IP in PS3 GPU.
 
iapetus said:
Girl!
I wanna take you to a gay bar,
I wanna take you to a gay bar,
I wanna take you to a gay bar, gay bar, gay bar.

Let's start a war, start a console war,
At the gay bar, gay bar, gay bar.
Wow!
At the gay bar.

Now tell me can ya, can ya give me exclusives?
I want your time-lapsed exclusives,
at the gay bar, gay bar, gay bar.

(Pause)

I've got a dev kit I can give you,
I've got a dev kit I can give you,
I've got a dev kit I can give you,
At the gay bar, gay bar, gay bar.
Wow!

You're a developer, at the gay bar.
You're a developer, at the gay bar.
Yeah! you're a developer, at the gay bar.
You're a developer, at the gay bar.
Developer.
Sony exclusive developer.
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Hey man do you realise that you could put a bassdrum and hi-hats do that and make a fortune? ANYTHING pass on the radio and clubs nowadays.
 
Um. You do realise that that's the hit song Gay Bar by Electric Six, with minor lyrical changes? :)

In case you didn't, here is a slightly unorthodox version of it...
 
iapetus said:
Um. You do realise that that's the hit song Gay Bar by Electric Six, with minor lyrical changes? :)
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"Hit" song. Mwahahahahaha, oh you slay me.

By the way, do you think people sit at home and come up with what they think are ingenius ideas, just so they can post them on here and perhaps earn some accolades?

Because I know I do.
 
SHUTUP SHUTUP SHUTUP SHUTUP


(and Soul4ger, yes, its a real song, I have the CD sitting right here. Its not meant to be taken seriously, like pretty much, oh...all of Electric Six's songs)
 
Belfast said:
SHUTUP SHUTUP SHUTUP SHUTUP


(and Soul4ger, yes, its a real song, I have the CD sitting right here. Its not meant to be taken seriously, like pretty much, oh...all of Electric Six's songs)
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I never said the song didn't exist...
 
PROTIP: When you become a member of a messageboard, spend at least a couple months listening to the other people before posting assertive, silly threads.
 
iapetus said:
Um. You do realise that that's the hit song Gay Bar by Electric Six, with minor lyrical changes? :)

In case you didn't, here is a slightly unorthodox version of it...
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LOL now that's interesting. I didn't knew about this song existance and it proved me again that's there's a definite crappy side in the music industry. You just enforced even more my conviction that listening to the radio or music in a club is a total waste of time ;)
 
whoa waht a crap thread and I'm not making it anz better

edit: wtfbbq german hotel kezboards have z and y switch places, sell zour estate in germanz, it's all over
 
I always find it interesting and by that i mean amusing, when people take pride in how long they've had their accounts active on an internet message board... as equate that to their so-called intelligence...
 
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