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[Bananajama]

Dependent on Sony E3 and PS4K Announcements...

I may well be diverting my PSVR money to Nintendo

Missed out on the Wii U - and by the time I was considering it NX rumours were surfacing

 

[AniHawk]

Devs may not even know the form factor because dev kits are different. Form factor is IMO the least interesting aspect of a console anyway. Its a box that plays games.

form factor means handheld or console too.

 

[TLZ]

No one hides anything good, there's little reason too unless you're nintendo.

They did mention they don't want the competition copying whatever it is they're hiding though. I hope it's well worth all this secrecy.

 

[DaSorcerer7]

LCGeek's CPU comparison suggests console.

 

[Malus]

Game already looks good from what we saw so far - if they have it running in 1080p on NX everyone should be happy.

I just hope they've cleaned up those textures from the game awards video.

 

[Peru]

LCGeek's CPU comparison suggests console.

Absolutely, but it's high time for a 3DS replacement.

 

[TLZ]

Devs may not even know the form factor because dev kits are different. Form factor is IMO the least interesting aspect of a console anyway. Its a box that plays games.

Yet we still go apeshit when we see a "leaked" image

 

[Roo]

I just hope they've cleaned up those textures from the game awards video.

Throw some AA in there too.

 

[LizardKing]

The funniest part about this thread is how people keep bringing up BC. It wasn't mentioned anywhere in any of the rumors and the rumors hurt their case but for some reason people kept thinking this confirmed it. Over and over. Reading comprehension man.

 

[NippleViking]

I've stated before and since any specs were revealed this gen most would have shitty cpus this turned out to be true, so to be fair my own perspective is skewed.

amd 8350 stock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NX>>>>> X1 >> PS4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wii U. All 3 of big 3 manufacturers got this issue wrong, yet I know next gen 2 of them won't cause they tend to do a decent job. Nintendo isn't impressing anyone.

It's reaching, but presuming the 'greater than' symbols are at least kind of consistent in what they're representing, then the NX's cpu is at least 20% more powerful than the X1's (as there's roughly 10% separating the X1 and PS4's).

 

[Malus]

Throw some AA in there too.

AA is probably the most realistic graphical bump that I want. If Nintendo spent that year of extra development making real big graphical overhauls that'd be great, even if it'd spark the inevitable "Wii U owners got screwed" threads. Don't expect it tho.

edit: Watching it again those animations could use work too.

 

[TLZ]

LCGeek is legit, don't worry there. They leaked the Wii CPU and other Nintendo hardware and have shown their receipts earlier in the thread.

Receipts?

 

[Nanashrew]

Receipts?

They posted a link to their own thread on beyond3d which leaked the Wii's CPU. Dated 2006.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Can someone please tell me what the LCgeek leak is? I see you're talking about it, but I don't know what it is exactly.

 

[Nanashrew]

Can someone please tell me what the LCgeek leak is? I see you're talking about it, but I don't know what it is exactly.

It's about the CPU. It looks to be better than the CPUs in the PS4 and Xbox One. No word on what kind of CPU, or what architecture though.

 

[Roo]

Can someone please tell me what the LCgeek leak is? I see you're talking about it, but I don't know what it is exactly.

Short answer: NX's CPU seems to be stronger/faster than PS4 & Xbox One's.
Long answer: here and here

 

[Dark Cloud]

It's about the CPU. It looks to be better than the CPUs in the PS4 and Xbox One. No word on what kind of CPU, or what architecture though.

Ahh ok cool. Thanks.

 

[Nothing1016]

Can someone please tell me what the LCgeek leak is? I see you're talking about it, but I don't know what it is exactly.

Apparently he leaked the Wii CPU before which adds to his credibility. For the NX, LCgeek is basically saying NX > PS4 when it comes to the CPU. And it's a noticeable difference. Where LCgeek is disappointed, is that he/she thinks Nintendo can put a better CPU in without breaking the bank which would also make more developers happier.

 

[Painguy]

So from what I've read here Nintendo is dropping the ball with the SDK again, and things just aren't gonna go well again in terms of long term support? Sounds about right.

 

[Herb Alpert]

So from what I've read here Nintendo is dropping the ball with the SDK again, and things just aren't gonna go well again in terms of long term support? Sounds about right.

Where did you read that?

 

[Vampirolol]

Apparently he leaked the Wii CPU before which adds to his credibility. For the NX, LCgeek is basically saying NX > PS4 when it comes to the CPU. And it's a noticeable difference. Where LCgeek is disappointed, is that he/she thinks Nintendo can put a better CPU in without breaking the bank which would also make more developers happier.

Sounds like Nintendo.

 

[Nanashrew]

To be fair, LCGeek is also just disappointed overall with all 3 that they're not even up to snuff to be comparable to a mid-range PC. That's where a lot of the negativity comes from and wishes Nintendo would push higher.

I don't think any of them will really push higher until it's within a good price range, and intel doesn't deal with consoles.


EDIT: Also keep in mind that the Xbox One's CPU is faster than the PS4's, so the NX CPU > Xbox One CPU.

 

[NeonZ]

So from what I've read here Nintendo is dropping the ball with the SDK again, and things just aren't gonna go well again in terms of long term support? Sounds about right.

The old WSJ leak had mentioned software kits being distributed months ago though...

 

[DragoonKain]

Sounds good and interesting, but it's hard to get excited about unconfirmed reports. Just opens yourself up to disappointment.

 

[Painguy]

The old WSJ leak had mentioned software kits being distributed months ago though...

I meant that the SDK's aren't very good. That's what I got from LCGeek's posts. *shrugs*

 

[Malus]

The old WSJ leak had mentioned software kits being distributed months ago though...

Well maybe they don't have good instructions or whatever is in those things.

 

[Prisoner KSC2-303]

Well, better than the X1 cpu is more than I expected. Now, if they can keep the price surrounding whatever USP they're developing down, things could be looking up.

 

[Always-honest]

Man, if NX is actually on the level of PS4, I really hope they are using that extra juice for Zelda. That game could be stunning.

Dear god.

 

[antonz]

The old WSJ leak had mentioned software kits being distributed months ago though...

Nintendo has not been the best at providing friendly and competent SDK that make developers lives easier. I mean there has been some stuff that Nintendo is trying in that area but its possible that the fruits of said labor aren't there yet

 

[LizardKing]

Post history will show otherwise on plenty of tech topics, but go ahead and be wrong. My point is Nintendo needs these ones as well, they don't need to worried about Japanese developers they aren't ones asking for it. If retro, Ubisoft, and capcom aren't glowing about working with this thing heads need to roll or people need to listen.

Are you just guessing or have you heard that western developers are not excited about working on the NX despite more powerful hardware than the competition?

 

[ecosse_011172]

Assuming the GPU is PS4 level or better then the games will look incredible, imagine SMG3 with that horsepower and those artists....

 

[cyberheater]

So what's the latest on this?

 

[Chittagong]

Is a Reddit verification considered good enough now for a thread to be allowed to remain open? Seems so.

 

[DaSorcerer7]

So what's the latest on this?

Nothing new.

 

[ecosse_011172]

So what's the latest on this?

CPU is better than XB0 and PS4

 

[cyberheater]

Nothing new.

Thanks

CPU is better than XB0 and PS4

Interesting.

 

[Joelstinton14]

Well Consoles have always been about a compromise on cost. It is what makes them so compelling , you are getting a good entertainment product for a reasonable price. Sure for the enthusiast PC gamer that may be frustrated being 'held' back, but gaming at it's core has to be affordable.

Hate to say it, but i don't think people generally see value in gaming. £300-350 seems to be the sweet spot for new generation consoles, The ps3 and X1 really struggled for going higher than that.

I'm kind of surprised to see how quickly the current gen prices have dropped, both now can be snagged for lower than 300, so i can maybe see LCGeek POV as some merit. But i don't think Nintendo will price themselves out of range of the other two, especially when they have a image problem to some degree with adults and the hardcore gamer. Previous generations have shown that power is not really the be end and all off for the general consumer. It is generally about the overall package. The PS4 is slightly different, but they managed to put out a console that is cheaper and more powerful than it's main competitor.

I think this as much as about laying down the foundations for the future as it is competing, not just for Nintendo, but for the other two as well. The move to X--86 seems to suggest that Microsoft and Sony had this planned from the start ( and perhaps too afraid to announce due to the X1 DRM fiasco). With the success of iterative products it seemed an obvious move for the industry, and if handled well it solves some of the industry lesser know, but important issues such as legacy, backward compatibility and for the consumer keeping a library of games moving forward.

For the general consumer, if they see Uncharted 4, or Zelda (it looks amazing as it is) available for a reasonable price point, they're going to jump in so to speak. And i think maybe that where the PS4K may get unstuck. If the general consumer sees Uncarted 4 running as beautifully as the videos suggest it will do on a vanilla PS4, and then see the 4K on sale for a couple hundred pounds more without noticeable effect? They're going to go for the cheaper option. That also applies to the NX. If it is on sale for £350-400 but the PS4 on sale for £280 producing similar looking games, it is going to struggle. It is all about balance.

 

[DaSorcerer7]

Thanks.

Unless you missed LCgeek's posts.

Which says NX CPU >>>>XB1>>PS4.

 

[Exodust]

CPU is better than XB0 and PS4

So it's confirmed fake, then.

 

[neurosisxeno]

The old WSJ leak had mentioned software kits being distributed months ago though...

That doesn't mean much though, as long as the SDK's have feature parity with tte launch unit. As a comparison, the SDK's that launched before the Xbox 360 came out were much weaker than the launch Xbox 360 actually ended up being. They had a slower 2-2.6 GHz Tri-Core CPU (not 100% positive but I know it was a lower frequency), and a GPU the equivalent of an X800--while the retail united launched with a 3.2GHz Tri-Core, and a GPU closer to the X1800 (actually had some features the X1800's didn't have but was slightly weaker so it balanced out). This explains why games like PD:Z look like dog shit compared to games like Halo 4.

 

[stan423321]

That doesn't mean much though, as long as the SDK's have feature parity with tte launch unit. As a comparison, the SDK's that launched before the Xbox 360 came out were much weaker than the launch Xbox 360 actually ended up being. They had a slower 2-2.6 GHz Tri-Core CPU (not 100% positive but I know it was a lower frequency), and a GPU the equivalent of an X800--while the retail united launched with a 3.2GHz Tri-Core, and a GPU closer to the X1800 (actually had some features the X1800's didn't have but was slightly weaker so it balanced out). This explains why games like PD:Z look like dog shit compared to games like Halo 4.

It can go both ways though, can't it.

 

[Herb Alpert]

So it's confirmed fake, then.

Tell us more...

 

[Dark Cloud]

Why would console makers have to make systems that compete against high PC's?

Nintendo always tries to make a profit on their systems. If they build something that's going to be very expensive then no one will buy it.

 

[Toadthemushroom]

Bah, sounds like AMD Puma cores then going from the performance ballparks from LCGeek.

Still a weak CPU by any standards as Jaguar in PS4/One were weak back in 2013 and Puma is only a modest improvement.

Also well behind what Apple is shipping in ARM (iPad Pro 9.7" A9X offers minimum Intel Core M-level performance with two cores in a tablet form factor - console version would blaze past AMD's offering).

Shame anyway, I did have the slightest hope for a Zen-based APU, but AMD is probably building that for Apple and their new 4k/5k iMac designs, which aren't a great form factor for what they currently use (the GPU melts off the motherboard).

 

[Meesh]

So it's confirmed fake, then.

Usually when it's too good to be true, I try to remain cautiously optimistic until let down otherwise lol.

 

[Herb Alpert]

Usually when it's too good to be true, I try to remain cautiously optimistic until let down otherwise lol.

It's not so incredibly good though...

 

[neurosisxeno]

Also well behind what Apple is shipping in ARM (iPad Pro 9.7" A9X offers minimum Intel Core M-level performance with two cores in a tablet form factor - console version would blaze past AMD's offering).

That's a proprietary design. Nobody except Nvidia is even close to Apple's ARM offerings, and Nvidia has no interest in designing SoC's for a company like Nintendo--they hate the thin profit margins that come with game consoles.

 

[Meesh]

It's not so incredibly good though...

That's where I'm confused, I'm getting both good and bad vibes from all the info. I suppose it would help if I was more of a tech head. :/

 

[Rodin]

I'm actually considering the possibility of 8 ARM A72 cores for games and 2-4 A53 for the OS. A53 is very cheap and they can easily do that thanks to big.LITTLE. I know that 12 total cores sounds like a lot, but 8 A72 for games falls in line with "considerably better than PS4-X1 but still way weaker than something like FX-8350".

That's where I'm confused, I'm getting both good and bad vibes from all the info. I suppose it would help if I was more of a tech head. :/

Being good or bad depends mostly on your expectations here. If you were expecting something on par or worse than current gen consoles, it's good. If you were expecting a somewhat big leap over them, then it's bad.

 

[twinturbo2]

So backwards compatibility is there? That's nice at least.

I thought the last three generations of Nintendo consoles (GameCube, Wii, Wii U) all used PPC. Unless Nintendo was cribbing notes from Microsoft's Xbox One BC initiative, I'd call that unlikely.