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[antonz]

Wait so nx is slightly more powerful than ps4 while a much more powerful ps4+ is about to drop? Is it too early to claim this or has Nintendo underspeced again?

What we know is NX has a noticeably more powerful CPU than XBO which has about a 10% performance boost over PS4. Its still a low end CPU as far as performance goes but that's the console cpu fate

I really cannot see Sony putting a 3+tflop GPU in the PS4K as it would completely outclass the PS4 to a stupid degree and developers would want to abandon the PS4 immediately. If anything it would be more logical for them to go froma 7850 style part to something along the lines of a 7950 performance wise. Would still be a healthy boost but nothing to create such a massive audience divide as doubling GPU power

 

[bachikarn]

I've thought about that too. I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Xbox One iteration appear at E3 either. So we possibly have Nintendo once again coming out with a system
weaker then the new iterations and once again third parties saying "it's too weak, we're
aiming for PS4K/XBox 2.0 only".

It's gonna be a problem for Nintendo again.

No cos those same third parties still will support PS4 and Xbone. There are some similarities, but it is no way the same situation as Wii or Wii U

 

[Nostremitus]

So, didn't Nintendo say they were developing a unified OS? If so, why wouldn't the NX OS be the same one the handheld uses? That would mean it would have an incredibly small footprint. Or am I missing something?

 

[bomblord1]

So, didn't Nintendo say they were developing a unified OS? If so, why wouldn't the NX OS be the same one the handheld uses? That would mean it would have an incredibly small footprint. Or am I missing something?

Well I mean we have smartphones with 4GB of RAM

 

[Nostremitus]

Well I mean we have smartphones with 4GB of RAM

Android and IOS don't use all of that, otherwise no apps would run.

 

[Terrell]

I'm super behind on what's going on, can someone give me a refresher with post links about where this new information is coming from and its reliability?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

So, didn't Nintendo say they were developing a unified OS? If so, why wouldn't the NX OS be the same one the handheld uses? That would mean it would have an incredibly small footprint. Or am I missing something?

It could be the same and be a bit different like windows 8,10 on PC, Smartphones, then xbox

 

[Roo]

and once again third parties saying "it's too weak, we're
aiming for PS4K/XBox 2.0 only".

Sure if you want to fuck things up with the combined 50+ million user base from both platforms...

 

[lwilliams3]

I've thought about that too. I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Xbox One iteration appear at E3 either. So we possibly have Nintendo once again coming out with a system
weaker then the new iterations and once again third parties saying "it's too weak, we're
aiming for PS4K/XBox 2.0 only".

It's gonna be a problem for Nintendo again.

It doesn't work that way.

1) One of the issues with the Wii U compared to the other systems was that it was much weaker (especially the CPU) and had a different architecture. With what we know, the PS4K may not even be getting a CPU upgrade over the original, and the GPU (assuming that NX GPU it's around the same range as what GCGeek labeled the CPU) could only be around twice the power or so at most. That should not be enough of a difference to completely shut of the system for getting ports. Power will be one of the least of the issues.

2) Most publishers will choose not to focus strictly on the PS4K/XB1.5 due to maximizing their game's potential userbase. I rather expect PS4K enchanted games to have better resolution, framerate, and special effects.

 

[wonderful103]

I'm super behind on what's going on, can someone give me a refresher with post links about where this new information is coming from and its reliability?

Find the nearest dumpster fire. There you will have more reliable information about the nx.

 

[Agent Unknown]

I remain very cautiously optimistic about the power. I don't want to be too cynical but this is Nintendo and as a veteran of the WUSTs I know better. Still, sounds like they are heading in the right direction hopefully.

It's taken from the 1984 adaptation of Sherlock Holmes, produced by Grandma Television, entitled 'The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes'.

You mean Granada Televison? hehe.

And Jeremy Brett is still the GOAT Sherlock.

 

[diaspora]

I've thought about that too. I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Xbox One iteration appear at E3 either. So we possibly have Nintendo once again coming out with a system
weaker then the new iterations and once again third parties saying "it's too weak, we're
aiming for PS4K/XBox 2.0 only".

It's gonna be a problem for Nintendo again.

" it's too weak, so we're going to fuck the 50million+ PS4/XB1 owners"

Did you even think this through?

 

[Malus]

I'm super behind on what's going on, can someone give me a refresher with post links about where this new information is coming from and its reliability?

There's been nothing since LCGeek's stuff about the CPU a while ago.

 

[Prevolition]

What's the point of verifying on reddit if there's still no authenticity?

 

[Malus]

What's the point of verifying on reddit if there's still no authenticity?

Well, gaf verification doesn't vouch for the rumor's credibility either, just that the supposed leaker is in a position where they could know something. One of the gaf mods said that reddit's verification process sounded similar to theirs.

 

[ReyVGM]

It doesn't work that way.

1) One of the issues with the Wii U compared to the other systems was that it was much weaker (especially the CPU) and had a different architecture.
.

It wasn't much weaker (than PS360). It had a more modern GPU, CPU and more RAM.
The only thing weaker was the clock speed of the CPU.

The SNES' CPU was also less than half of the speed of the Genesis CPU, that didn't mean the SNES was much weaker.

 

[Blues1990]

You mean Granada Televison? hehe.

And Jeremy Brett is still the GOAT Sherlock.

To be fair, I'm on mobile, so it keeps auto-correcting my "mistakes," despite knowing the difference between 'Grandma' & 'Granada.'

 

[rekameohs]

It wasn't much weaker (than PS360). It had a more modern GPU, CPU and more RAM.
The only thing weaker was the clock speed of the CPU.

The SNES' CPU was also less than half of the speed of the Genesis CPU, that didn't mean the SNES was much weaker.

I'm imagining there's a substantial difference to being similar in power to 6-7 year old systems and 3 year old ones.

 

[ShadowFox08]

It doesn't work that way.

1) One of the issues with the Wii U compared to the other systems was that it was much weaker (especially the CPU) and had a different architecture. With what we know, the PS4K may not even be getting a CPU upgrade over the original, and the GPU (assuming that NX GPU it's around the same range as what GCGeek labeled the CPU) could only be around twice the power or so at most. That should not be enough of a difference to completely shut of the system for getting ports. Power will be one of the least of the issues.

2) Most publishers will choose not to focus strictly on the PS4K/XB1.5 due to maximizing their game's potential userbase. I rather expect PS4K enchanted games to have better resolution, framerate, and special effects.

It was really the only CPU in the Wii U that is weaker than PS3/360. GPU and RAM is a lot better.

 

[Nanashrew]

IIRC, SNES was pretty easy to develop for too. Also having a more versatile sound setup was good for them too as the Genesis was tricky to learn and make full use of. Yuzo Koshiro was the "King of the FM-synth" outside of Sega first parties.

 

[Prevolition]

Well, gaf verification doesn't vouch for the rumor's credibility either, just that the supposed leaker is in a position where they could know something. One of the gaf mods said that reddit's verification process sounded similar to theirs.

Hmm, I guess maybe the stakes just aren't as high there as they are here (with account verification). It'd be nice to have another leaker admit their fraudulence again and see who else affirmed them. That 3D print model leak was something else.

 

[Instro]

It was really the only CPU in the Wii U that is weaker than PS3/360. GPU and RAM is a lot better.

Saying either of those things were "a lot better" is a stretch.

 

[Fess]

I've thought about that too. I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Xbox One iteration appear at E3 either. So we possibly have Nintendo once again coming out with a system
weaker then the new iterations and once again third parties saying "it's too weak, we're
aiming for PS4K/XBox 2.0 only".

It's gonna be a problem for Nintendo again.

That's the same as saying "PS4/XB1 is too weak, we're aiming for PS4K/XB2.0 only ". Won't happen, that market is way too big now. It's more likely that both NX and PS4K/XB2.0 will mostly just get rushed ports without any improvements worth mentioning since they're so tiny in the market.

 

[lwilliams3]

It wasn't much weaker (than PS360). It had a more modern GPU, CPU and more RAM.
The only thing weaker was the clock speed of the CPU.

The SNES' CPU was also less than half of the speed of the Genesis CPU, that didn't mean the SNES was much weaker.

It was really the only CPU in the Wii U that is weaker than PS3/360. GPU and RAM is a lot better.

Oops, I didn't clearly state that I was talking about the Wii U vs the PS4/ XB1.

 

[Prevolition]

Saying either of those things were "a lot better" is a stretch.

It is? In my book multiple times greater in RAM amount and GPU power is a lot better.

 

[Terrell]

There's been nothing since LCGeek's stuff about the CPU a while ago.

Yeah, that's the thing that I keep seeing referenced. I didn't catch any of it.

 

[fernoca]

Worse case scenario, NX like the PS4K and XB1.5, will get ports from PS4 and XBO games.

Publishers won't ignore the 50+ million PS4/XBO users just because.

 

[Malus]

Yeah, that's the thing that I keep seeing referenced. I didn't catch any of it.

Really nothing more to it than this:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=200144552#post200144552

Worse case scenario, NX like the PS4K and XB1.5, will get ports from PS4 and XBO games.

Publishers won't ignore the 50+ million PS4/XBO users just because.

Worst case scenario NX gets few to no ports because it sells like crap.

But it won't matter because we'll get to see Mario's mustache rendered in stunning detail.

 

[Pokemaniac]

So, didn't Nintendo say they were developing a unified OS? If so, why wouldn't the NX OS be the same one the handheld uses? That would mean it would have an incredibly small footprint. Or am I missing something?

The size of the allocation can change between form factors, and will likely be adapted depending Nintendo's priorities for each system.

I'm super behind on what's going on, can someone give me a refresher with post links about where this new information is coming from and its reliability?

This post should give you the gist:

I've stated before and since any specs were revealed this gen most would have shitty cpus this turned out to be true, so to be fair my own perspective is skewed.

amd 8350 stock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NX>>>>> X1 >> PS4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wii U. All 3 of big 3 manufacturers got this issue wrong, yet I know next gen 2 of them won't cause they tend to do a decent job. Nintendo isn't impressing anyone.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

So NX should be a little more powerful than PS4? Kinda weak as it's 3 year older, PS4K will declass it very fast.

I love how you're able to use words like "a little" when all you've received are vague arrows giving hints at relative power

 

[Malus]

I love how you're able to use words like "a little" when all you've received are vague arrows giving hints at relative power

LCGeek certainly didn't make it sound like the difference was any more than slight.

Anyways like many have said, PS4K isn't outclassing anything if Sony wants continued support for it's already massive PS4 install base.

 

[Terrell]

This post should give you the gist:

I love how he says "Nintendo isn't impressing anyone". Like he somehow doesn't know how low people's expectations were. Hell, this would exceed MY expectations, and people called me a delusional fanboy for my (apparently) conservative opinions.

 

[antonz]

LCGeek certainly didn't make it sound like the difference was any more than slight.

Anyways like many have said, PS4K isn't outclassing anything if Sony wants continued support for it's already massive PS4 install base.

Well he did specifically say it was a noticeable difference in power. Just that unfortunately the trend of weak CPUs continue in consoles. But yes the people who think a middle of the road upgrade to the PS4 is suddenly going to basically be a PS5 are in for a sad time. I mean the report says they are considering leaving the exact same cpu in it.

 

[Peru]

People still playing up the boxing match vs PS4 and XBO (or even their successors) that only exists in fanboy dreamland.

I'm happy Nintendo are going for a solidly powerful console and I think that information is interesting. But not to measure muscles directly against competitors who should not in anyway be the focus of Nintendo or people interested in Nintendo's output.

By leaker accounts the NX will match current-gen consoles. Will it get their third party support? Absolutely not. Would it if it was even more powerful? Absolutely not.

Nintendo can't chase a pie in the sky and throw their resources at that. It's absolute madness. The GC was powerful and they moneyhatted huge third party deals and that was the last time - they realized it did not make sense.

The 3DS is a very successful console. They did not turn it around by moneyhatting western third parties. They did it by focusing on their strengths - how a Nintendo console can offer something the others don't.

Only a complete madman CEO would say "for our next outing, let's take on the love triangle of PS4, XBO and STEAM. Not enough competition there".

Instead they've clearly realized with the 3DS how their way forward can be. 1st party games. Japanese games. Some western stuff and indies that make sense. But mostly a console type experience they're more or less alone in offering. The WiiU failed because its price did not match neither its gadget appeal nor its limited flow of software, even if the ones who did buy it clearly were all for the key titles looking at attach rate.

 

[MilkBeard]

If Nintendo makes everything in the box better than the current competition, then that would be a step up for them, lol (sans the GDDR5 ram, anyway. We know they won't use this).

 

[Malus]

(sans the GDDR5 ram, anyway. We know they won't use this).

I've read a couple people saying this, can someone expand on why?

 

[Neoxon]

People still playing up the boxing match vs PS4 and XBO (or even their successors) that only exists in fanboy dreamland.

I'm happy Nintendo are going for a solidly powerful console and I think that information is interesting. But not to measure muscles directly against competitors who should not in anyway be the focus of Nintendo or people interested in Nintendo's output.

By leaker accounts the NX will match current-gen consoles. Will it get their third party support? Absolutely not. Would it if it was even more powerful? Absolutely not.

Nintendo can't chase a pie in the sky and throw their resources at that. It's absolute madness. The GC was powerful and they moneyhatted huge third party deals and that was the last time - they realized it did not make sense.

The 3DS is a very successful console. They did not turn it around by moneyhatting western third parties. They did it by focusing on their strengths - how a Nintendo console can offer something the others don't.

Only a complete madman CEO would say "for our next outing, let's take on the love triangle of PS4, XBO and STEAM. Not enough competition there".

Instead they've clearly realized with the 3DS how their way forward can be. 1st party games. Japanese games. Some western stuff and indies that make sense. But mostly a console type experience they're more or less alone in offering. The WiiU failed because its price did not match neither its gadget appeal nor its limited flow of software, even if the ones who did buy it clearly were all for the key titles looking at attach rate.

This. No matter what Nintendo does, getting third party support back in full is a long-shot. The amount of relationship repair that Nintendo would have to do would take years. For now, Japanese third parties & indies should be Nintendo's top priority, alongside minimizing software droughts by streamlining their console & handheld development (which is apparently what they're doing). If that entails a shared platform remains to be seen, but that's what I'm hoping for. Once Nintendo establishes themselves with a solid platform, the rest of the third parties will fall in line. It may take years to do so, but it's better than nothing.

 

[Roo]

I love how he says "Nintendo isn't impressing anyone". Like he somehow doesn't know how low people's expectations were. Hell, this would exceed MY expectations, and people called me a delusional fanboy for my (apparently) conservative opinions.

I was in the same boat tbqh.
Glad at least one thing is confirmed to be better.

 

[Neoxon]

I love how he says "Nintendo isn't impressing anyone". Like he somehow doesn't know how low people's expectations were. Hell, this would exceed MY expectations, and people called me a delusional fanboy for my (apparently) conservative opinions.

I was in the camp that believed that the NX Console would be below the Xbox One for the sake of keeping costs down. While I'll wait for an official reveal to be 110% sure, this is a good sign.

 

[Pokemaniac]

I love how he says "Nintendo isn't impressing anyone". Like he somehow doesn't know how low people's expectations were. Hell, this would exceed MY expectations, and people called me a delusional fanboy for my (apparently) conservative opinions.

LCGeek made it exceedingly clear that all current console CPUs disappoint them.

 

[osiris3355]

People still playing up the boxing match vs PS4 and XBO (or even their successors) that only exists in fanboy dreamland.

I'm happy Nintendo are going for a solidly powerful console and I think that information is interesting. But not to measure muscles directly against competitors who should not in anyway be the focus of Nintendo or people interested in Nintendo's output.

By leaker accounts the NX will match current-gen consoles. Will it get their third party support? Absolutely not. Would it if it was even more powerful? Absolutely not.

Nintendo can't chase a pie in the sky and throw their resources at that. It's absolute madness. The GC was powerful and they moneyhatted huge third party deals and that was the last time - they realized it did not make sense.

The 3DS is a very successful console. They did not turn it around by moneyhatting western third parties. They did it by focusing on their strengths - how a Nintendo console can offer something the others don't.

Only a complete madman CEO would say "for our next outing, let's take on the love triangle of PS4, XBO and STEAM. Not enough competition there".

Instead they've clearly realized with the 3DS how their way forward can be. 1st party games. Japanese games. Some western stuff and indies that make sense. But mostly a console type experience they're more or less alone in offering. The WiiU failed because its price did not match neither its gadget appeal nor its limited flow of software, even if the ones who did buy it clearly were all for the key titles looking at attach rate.

When I was younger I sold video game consoles at Best Buy. The general population asked the same few questions every time they didn't know what console to buy.

Will it get discontinued in 4 years like the others?
How much are games?
Which one has the best graphics?
Which one has these types of games?

You are wrong without me even touching on ease of porting for studios.

 

[LCGeek]

I love how he says "Nintendo isn't impressing anyone". Like he somehow doesn't know how low people's expectations were. Hell, this would exceed MY expectations, and people called me a delusional fanboy for my (apparently) conservative opinions.

I do know some had low expectation. I didn't think that many would be lowballing a console that might have to perform. I also meant that in relation to devs not necessarily posters or consumers.

 

[Hermii]

I've thought about that too. I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Xbox One iteration appear at E3 either. So we possibly have Nintendo once again coming out with a system
weaker then the new iterations and once again third parties saying "it's too weak, we're
aiming for PS4K/XBox 2.0 only".

It's gonna be a problem for Nintendo again.

If third parties are abandoning ps4 xbone a lot of people will be done with consoles.

 

[Nanashrew]

When I was younger I sold video game consoles at Best Buy. The general population asked the same few questions every time they didn't know what console to buy.

Will it get discontinued in 4 years like the others?
How much are games?
Which one has the best graphics?
Which one has these types of games?

You are wrong without me even touching on ease of porting for studios.

Though back then, the best graphics for multiplatform games were GameCube and Xbox. PS2 had issues with some. Sonic Heroes on PS2 is the worst version of the game with FPS drops and stutter. It also lacks a lot of graphical sheen found in the other two systems.

For PS2 it was all about content which it had a lot of and secured its place as number 1 in that era by a very large margin.

 

[Pancake Mix]

GameCube was in the middle, not on par with Xbox. Xbox was the clear #1 that gen graphically just as PS2 was the clear #3.

 

[Hermii]

I do know some had low expectation. I didn't think that many would be lowballing a console that might have to perform. I also meant that in relation to devs not necessarily posters or consumers.

Did third party developers really expect a huge upgrade from current gen?

 

[ReyVGM]

GameCube was in the middle, not on par with Xbox. Xbox was the clear #1 that gen graphically just as PS2 was the clear #3.

Sony hyped the PS2 so much, that even today there are still people that think the PS2 had the most powerful hardware.

 

[antonz]

Did third party developers really expect a huge upgrade from current gen?

I think what LCGeek is really trying to get across is when "leakers" go on about how Developers think this is the greatest thing ever or some variation that you can assume a degree of bullshitting. NX may very well end up being a very nice machine but its not going to elicit the orgasmic response some people try to pass as dev response.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Sony hyped the PS2 so much, that even today there are still people that think the PS2 had the most powerful hardware.

Are you honestly telling me that the gamecube was strong enough to play dvds?

 

[Pokemaniac]

Are you honestly telling me that the gamecube was strong enough to play dvds?

It probably could if the disc drive accepted them. I don't think a full size disc could even fit in that thing.