This is the problem with the gaming community now days. Why don't you play the game yourself and see if YOU like it. Why are folks always basing if something is good or not on someone else opinion.
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Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Because time and money is limited? Not everyone wants to waste time with a game with a proven record of being trash by 99% of those who tried it already. Plus, gamepass isn’t free and a full retail game isn’t worth throwing money at if it’s subpar when looking at the stacked offers 2023 provided to pick from.
But hey if you’re a trust fund kid go for it.
clarky
Gold Member
Nothing ironic about that. Robocop is awesome.
Darkkahn
Member
I'm just your average normal video game player, so asking for other folk's input would get me 90% there. Besides, have you not ever looked something up before buying it?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
It's good to see them still working on this.
Oh I look at reviews all the time. But games, music, movie, are works of art. Now if the game is bad because of some technical reason that's one thing, but just basing a game you maybe interested in off of someone else's sole opinion because they didn't like that gameplay or art style seems shortsighted to me. Maybe folks are just looking for opinions about games that reinforced their own bias, but I digress.
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drotahorror
Member
I must have missed 1.0 and 2.0. Did they go straight from beta to 3.0?
clarky
Gold Member
No you just missed the last 2 updates.
I agree. I'd rather wait 4 years for a game to go from shit to mediocre than have it be good right out the gate.
god bless them
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diffusionx
Gold Member
well with redfall that ship has already sailed.
i just don't get this logic of "abandon it and make a good game lmao", how do we know they can make a good game even
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I hope they turn it around for those that bought it....
...But it should never be ok to release a turd and then turn it into a good game later. That aint it chief!
...But it should never be ok to release a turd and then turn it into a good game later. That aint it chief!
I respect the fact that you can see that at least.
Killing your darlings is a good but rough mentality that I think will do more good than bad in most cases. People always mention NMS but fail to realize that there is no other game that made the turnaround that it did.
MarkMe2525
Banned
I only gave the game around 40 minutes of my time at launch. If I get really bored, I'll check their updated game out.
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SEGAvangelist
Member
Cyberpunk and FFXIV right off the top of head.
Cyberpunk only fluked at the technical level. It still had potential.
FFXIV needed 9 years to see a significant rise in player numbers and I can hardly see that as a good thing. NMS needed 2 or 3 which is still somewhat acceptable seeing how many people still liked it at release.
You don't possibly think that Redfall will be the next one of those games right?
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diffusionx
Gold Member
I guess my question to you is how a dev studio, by abandoning their 4/10 game, will go from that to making a 8+/10 game. It just doesn't work that way, if the dev said "on to the next one" it's far more likely they deliver another 4/10 game in however many years.
Krappadizzle
Member
There's 2 schools of thought for the matter. I think it could be argued to cut the cancer and start fresh and back to what you know as opposed to beating a dead horse.
Smaller studios can do it because their overhead is significantly smaller with 15 people than a studio of 150+ . Studios experiment and fail all the time and go on to make great games. There's many examples of the Assassin's Creeds go back and forth between good, bad, great, bad, good.
From Software, I.D., Capcom all have examples of experimenting outside their wheelhouse, getting a lot of pushback and then going back to what they are good at and evolving the formula they become known for.
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SEGAvangelist
Member
I don't. No Man's Sky just isn't the only example of a huge turnaround for a game.
Little Chicken
Banned
Love Microsoft's dedication to delivering quality content for their fans 
You don't repeatedly throw shit at a wall and see how much gets stuck. You go back to the drawing board, ask yourself why you're throwing shit, and why it ain't sticking. You take all of the criticism from past projects and try to turn that into something good.
Redfall is inherently flawed. No amount of updates is going to turn that around. It would be wasted time and money.
Instead they should focus on what made their earlier games so good, and their recent ones so mediocre.
GHG
Member
Why are you trying to guilt trip people into playing utter crap?
It's a completely valid question for someone to ask, nobody wants to waste their time and money.
I never said that either. Try re-reading that post with a bit more reading comprehension skills
Hint: it
SEGAvangelist
Member
No Man's Sky is nowhere near the turnaround that FFXIV was. FFXIV scrapped pretty much the entire game. Also, NMS initially sold very well.I never said that either. Try re-reading that post with a bit more reading comprehension skills
Hint: it
my g, entirely scrapping an already existing title after 9 to 11 years for a (relatively) fuck-all increase in player numbers is not a commendable thing. And I hope Xbox isn't hearing you right now. And yes, NMS sold initially well, so it was worth the comeback.
I don't think you fully understand what we're discussing right here.
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SEGAvangelist
Member
FFXIV was up for 2 years before the revamp.
That revamp did jack shit for player numbers then.
Operations66
Banned
Game is still $70, ridiculously. Now that it's been patched a few times, I'd pick it up at $20 on sale.
SEGAvangelist
Member
On sale for $17.49 on the Xbox Store right now!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Gotta hand it to them, they said they're gonna patch it and by god they're doing it.
BoxFresh123
Member
There was a 2.0?
vaibhavpisal
Member
Honestly, this has been the way since Halo 5 days.
They always take a year + to get into stride. Forza Horizon 5 was an anomaly.
My guess is they keep their console market share purposely low, maybe to encourage Sony to put their games on Windows, or to be able to buy more studios, I dunno.
Their news cycle keeps casuals away. I had no idea what to expect when I picked up my xbox. Reviews were not good and games looked obscure to get into (Sea of Thieves, Grounded etc). Glad I did cause I made friends on the way who are good at these games.
On topic of Redfall, being Arkane fanboy, I would definitely want this fixed. Their next game will come out 2025-26. Take a year to fix this then move on to Prey 2.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
That was ruderofif you might be interested since you like shitty games
Umbral
Member
Deathloop was no Prey, but it was not a terrible game. I can’t speak on Redfall.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Quezacolt
Member
Yes it did. Sure, the game didnt become one of the biggest right away, but they got a huge boost in player numbers after the revamp. Hell, after the first expansion, it was easy to see it would become one of the biggest mmo's and stay like that.
Negotiator101
Member
I'll download it again to see how significant the improvements are because at launch it was unplayable IMO.
scarlet0pimp
Member
I played it at release and did not understand how they thought it was ready, not only that but there is a definite Halloween vibe going on so baffling why they didn't hold it until October.
Anyway at the time, I thought there was a lot of potential there but ruined by its beta state, the world was very nicely designed in my opinion and a very nice setting for a creepy game.
I'll give it another shot on game pass once they release the dlc which will probably be a relaunch.
Anyway at the time, I thought there was a lot of potential there but ruined by its beta state, the world was very nicely designed in my opinion and a very nice setting for a creepy game.
I'll give it another shot on game pass once they release the dlc which will probably be a relaunch.
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Well, I decided to check it out but its still ass. Got a server disconnect during the second mission while playing solo so I deleted it right away.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
That’s almost 300% improvement. MS stans need to start going with that statistic right now!Hey, stop lying
SportsFan581
Member
There is probably a bit of obligation here as well, I think they sold the one version that promised DLC content.
People just jumped on the negative bandwagon with this one. The story and the setting were fun, not every game has to be the greatest one ever made.
clarky
Gold Member
Behave. The game was completely broken on launch with a miriad of technical issues and fundamental design flaws (always online, no matchmaking,GAAS elements left over etc etc), that are likely unfixable.
Its a shit game, no amount of polish will fix this turd. Its a 5/10 at best as it stands right now. No bandwagon in sight.
Havoc2049
Member
I finished the game and thought it was OK, but not the type of game I would want to come back to and keep playing. They should have charged a lower price, polished up the first town more, along with 60fps and released the game in chapters, with the second town being the second chapter.