It's not a mystery to me, it is nonsense. And it will continue to be nonsense until someone can convey it in a way that is, to me, not nonsensical.
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Religious folks, if Satan was to repent and ask God for forgiveness would he be let into heaven?
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It's not a mystery to me, it is nonsense. And it will continue to be nonsense until someone can convey it in a way that is, to me, not nonsensical.
Okay.
It would be beneficial if you quoted whoever you're talking to.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
dude why should i talk to someone who thinks anything i say is nonsense? what a waste of time that would be.
imagine someone jumping into a Batman thread telling everyone they are morons and Batman isn't real.
this is you.
pick up a book. people have written thousands and thousands of books of commentary on this issue. you want us to sum it up for you in a forum post on a videogame message board? hah INTELLECTUALLY LAZY YOU ARE
imagine someone jumping into a Batman thread telling everyone they are morons and Batman isn't real.
this is you.
pick up a book. people have written thousands and thousands of books of commentary on this issue. you want us to sum it up for you in a forum post on a videogame message board? hah INTELLECTUALLY LAZY YOU ARE
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manfestival
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relax man
That was what I tried to do.
It would help me, if you explained what makes it nonsensical to you.
I'm perfectly calm, what gave you a different impression ?
First of all, thank you for being civil
I get that saying it is nonsense might seem like I'm trying to be provocative, but it's not really the intention. I just have a problem with accepting faith as something that, well, makes sense. I see no reason to believe, nothing has made me believe, so, well, I don't. So it is, to me, nonsense. To believe that is. I don't get it.
And very often, what it comes down to is someone tells me to read something from the bible, and I ask why. Why should I? There's as little chance of that sparking faith in me as reading Edda will make me believe in norse gods.
I think the stories are often great and powerful, and I view stories from other religions and mythologies the same way. I like them, I just don't believe they're real. Even if they might carry wisdom.
And I don't like this idea of god being somehow perfect, because the bible tells many stories of how he does things I really object to. Mythologies on the other hand generally make no attempt to hide that their gods are selfish bastards most of the time.
I didn't intend to get intl a long conversation here. I just threw in my cents about it, and you don't have to respond to this, I might not have time to respond back either. I just felt like clarifying a little.
BigBooper
Member
Faith doesn't "make sense" by definition.I'm perfectly calm, what gave you a different impression ?
First of all, thank you for being civil
I get that saying it is nonsense might seem like I'm trying to be provocative, but it's not really the intention. I just have a problem with accepting faith as something that, well, makes sense. I see no reason to believe, nothing has made me believe, so, well, I don't. So it is, to me, nonsense. To believe that is. I don't get it.
And very often, what it comes down to is someone tells me to read something from the bible, and I ask why. Why should I? There's as little chance of that sparking faith in me as reading Edda will make me believe in norse gods.
I think the stories are often great and powerful, and I view stories from other religions and mythologies the same way. I like them, I just don't believe they're real. Even if they might carry wisdom.
And I don't like this idea of god being somehow perfect, because the bible tells many stories of how he does things I really object to. Mythologies on the other hand generally make no attempt to hide that their gods are selfish bastards most of the time.
I didn't intend to get intl a long conversation here. I just threw in my cents about it, and you don't have to respond to this, I might not have time to respond back either. I just felt like clarifying a little.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Hell doesn't exist. Satan rules on the earthly plane.
Those who were unrepentant in life just die. They cease to exist. Jesus said the dead know nothing. All who believe will be resurrected because Jah will remember they who believed.
Those who were unrepentant in life just die. They cease to exist. Jesus said the dead know nothing. All who believe will be resurrected because Jah will remember they who believed.
Sorcerer
Member
If god Repents all those old Mafia guys who were shitty people up until there dying day for them just asking why would he deny his Angels the same?
manfestival
Member
Your posts.
Sorcerer
Member
Freewill. God needs to test for our devotion. Going back to Adam and Eve. God Gave them Paradise, but he also put temptation clearly in their path. All was thrown away for a mere apple or whatever symbolism you want to imbibe into that apple. Strange to think the snake (Satan) lived among Adam and Eve in Paradise or could at least freely enter Paradise.
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Ornlu
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I feel like I've answered this about 10 times in this thread already, but to try and say the same thing in a different way:
If you wrote a book detailing how exactly a lawyer who has been suspended or disbarred may get their license back, why should anyone assume that the process applies to plumbers? I know it's a dumb analogy, but that's because I think it's kind of a dumb question.
Humans and angels are not the same thing. Humans and animals are not the same thing. Humans and machines are not the same thing.
Sorcerer
Member
Your point of view is interesting. Humans are ignorant and should be forgiven, but Angels are top tier and should know better. I respect your point of view. An Angel's betrayal is the ultimate betrayal to God.
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Ornlu
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I apologize if it comes across that I'm trying to defend the actions of, or speak for God. That's not my intention at all. I was merely trying to say that using Scripture meant specifically for mankind on Earth, and trying to apply the message therein toward entities like what Angels are depicted as doesn't make a lot of sense.
Faith or believing without seeing is what redeems. A human in hell knows based on being damned therefore they can't have faith and can't be redeemed. An angel is in a similar position, they already know and therefore can't be redeemed.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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That's kind cool.
Singular7
Member
If you're referencing my post, that wasn't my point: rather, the Greco-Roman influence has led to a lot of confusion.
Quoting the Bible fixes all these problems, because it refutes the Greco-Roman (back to Egyptian) influences:
- there is no "hell", that is Egypt->Rome
- mankind inherits the earth, they don't "go to heaven" when they die, that is Egypt->Rome - Matthew 5:5
- the final resting place of the dead, in Christianity, is "non-existence", "non-consciousness" - see Ecclesiastes 9:5
- there is a general resurrection of the vast majority of mankind (good and bad) to earth for a 1000 year period, after the final blow to this "system" and the global war Jesus talked about - read Rev 20
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johntown
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Hell does exist and since you supposedly quoting Jesus, Jesus spoke of Hell many times. People don't just cease to exist. Everyone has a soul, everyone will be judged according to what they have done on the Earth.
To answer the OP question we have to look at this differently. Satan has already been judged by God. The time has already passed for him to be forgiven or ask for forgiveness. It would be similar to someone asking God for forgiveness after they die. The time to ask for forgiveness has passed it is too late. What we don't know and cannot be answered is if Satan ever had a chance to seek forgiveness before he was judged.
Singular7
Member
Jesus never used the word "hell". He used "Gehenna" in the Greek (yes, some Bibles render that as 'hell'), which was the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem.
He was speaking metaphorically about annihilation, non-existence, not some other dimension of fire where Satan lives
See Revelation 20:
"And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. " - Revelation 20:14
The end of death. The metaphorical 'lake of fire' MEANS the second death. So the real question is "what is the second death"?
Answer:
We're all born once, and we all die once.
But there is a second death, after the resurrection of the "righteous and unrighteous" (Acts 24:15) and a 1000 year period of peace on earth with Christ as King, a "second death" for those who follow Satan when he is "released for a short time". (Revelation 20:3)
There is a second birth too! Jesus spoke about "being born again" as a son of God.
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Well, you can't win all the time. Better luck next time.
manfestival
Member
Agreed, better luck to you next time. Relax, it's not that serious.
Ornlu
Banned
I you wanna go down with this ship, who am I to stop you?
TrainedRage
Banned
"lucifer was a lost angel, like; Los Angeles"
johntown
Banned
Yes the literal translated greek means that but you are missing the point entirely and taking one snippet completely out of context. If you quote any of the scripture where he mentions hell it is obvious he is not talking about a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem. That is only used to give the people a reference of what a terrible place it would be. Luke 16-19 is certainly not referring to a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem.Jesus never used the word "hell". He used "Gehenna" in the Greek (yes, some Bibles render that as 'hell'), which was the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem.
He was speaking metaphorically about annihilation, non-existence, not some other dimension of fire where Satan lives
See Revelation 20:
"And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. " - Revelation 20:14
The end of death. The metaphorical 'lake of fire' MEANS the second death. So the real question is "what is the second death"?
Answer:
We're all born once, and we all die once.
But there is a second death, after the resurrection of the "righteous and unrighteous" (Acts 24:15) and a 1000 year period of peace on earth with Christ as King, a "second death" for those who follow Satan when he is "released for a short time". (Revelation 20:3)
There is a second birth too! Jesus spoke about "being born again" as a son of God.
You are 100% wrong about non-existence in reference to the Bible. Maybe some other cult or religion sure but not Christianity and the Bible. Mark 9: 47 - 48 clearly states people are cast into hell where worms don't die and the "fire" never goes out.
Again you taking snippets completely out of context but your ideas are pretty out there so I am not sure how to respond.
I'm not really sure where you got this information but it is far from any mainstream accepted view or belief.
Singular7
Member
Assuming you're talking about the "rich man" whose father is Abraham in Luke 16:
That is a metaphor about the end of the Jewish system, and the beginning of the kingdom Jesus is going to build with the converted Jews and the Gentiles.
That is why the "rich man" (Israel) appeals to Abraham, who then responds with "Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ "
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Read that section again, it has nothing to do with "hell" - right before that parable "The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus"
Then Jesus stated the parable about Abraham basically rejecting the Pharisees via the "rich man" compared to "Lazarus".
This is an extremely important concept to understand when interpreting the Bible, from Jesus:
"This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand." - Matthew 13:13
This idea repeats over and over:
"so that the Scriptures might be fulfilled: ‘When they see what I do, they will learn nothing. When they hear what I say, they will not understand. Otherwise, they will turn to me and be forgiven.’”" - Mark 4:12
If you recall, in the Old Testament, many of the prophecies about the messiah were couched in the idea that Israel would reject him, and not "understand", even though they would hear.
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I'm not religious, though I am spiritual.
Anyway, as a hypothetical if Satan were to repent, which he wouldn't by the way if you know the story, he would not be forgiven and once his part is played he will perish. Why? Because he already crossed the line, the point of no redemption when he tried to destroy the bloodline in which Jesus Christ would be born by seducing and coming to know Eve. But, two children were born thus the seed line of Satan in Cain, the first murderer, and the seed line in which Jesus Christ would be born was Abel, but Adam and Eve did have more children after Abel so through them and the other people who did not intermix with the fallen angels. If Satan succeeded, which he never would have and never will, everyone would be doomed to die like him. Death of the soul. Satan is the only one, Son of Perdition, already judged to death by God, and the fallen angels who left their habitation to sleep with the earthly women, well their fate is sealed in doing so as well. Of course, hell does not exist yet. So for now, they are imprisoned and being watched by Archangel Michael.
Originally his name is Lucifer, but he has many names he goes by now. Satan, dragon, King of Tyre, serpent, devil, morning star, rock, Son of Perdition, Abaddon, Apollyon, Anti-Christ, etc.
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Prophecy against the King of Tyre (Ezekiel 28 Strong's KJV)
1The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
2Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart [is] lifted up, and thou hast said, I [am] a God, I sit [in] the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou [art] a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
3Behold, thou [art] wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5By thy great wisdom [and] by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
6Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
7Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.
8They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of [them that are] slain in the midst of the seas.
9Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I [am] God? but thou [shalt be] a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.
10Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken [it], saith the Lord GOD.
A Lament over the King of Tyre (Ezekiel 28 Strong's KJV)
11Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more.
Anyway, as a hypothetical if Satan were to repent, which he wouldn't by the way if you know the story, he would not be forgiven and once his part is played he will perish. Why? Because he already crossed the line, the point of no redemption when he tried to destroy the bloodline in which Jesus Christ would be born by seducing and coming to know Eve. But, two children were born thus the seed line of Satan in Cain, the first murderer, and the seed line in which Jesus Christ would be born was Abel, but Adam and Eve did have more children after Abel so through them and the other people who did not intermix with the fallen angels. If Satan succeeded, which he never would have and never will, everyone would be doomed to die like him. Death of the soul. Satan is the only one, Son of Perdition, already judged to death by God, and the fallen angels who left their habitation to sleep with the earthly women, well their fate is sealed in doing so as well. Of course, hell does not exist yet. So for now, they are imprisoned and being watched by Archangel Michael.
Originally his name is Lucifer, but he has many names he goes by now. Satan, dragon, King of Tyre, serpent, devil, morning star, rock, Son of Perdition, Abaddon, Apollyon, Anti-Christ, etc.
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Prophecy against the King of Tyre (Ezekiel 28 Strong's KJV)
1The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
2Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart [is] lifted up, and thou hast said, I [am] a God, I sit [in] the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou [art] a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
3Behold, thou [art] wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5By thy great wisdom [and] by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
6Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
7Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.
8They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of [them that are] slain in the midst of the seas.
9Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I [am] God? but thou [shalt be] a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.
10Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken [it], saith the Lord GOD.
A Lament over the King of Tyre (Ezekiel 28 Strong's KJV)
11Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more.
Airola
Member
Hell is hell for Satan too.
He's not going to get any enjoyment out of it, not even in getting to feel to be the master of it.
He's going to be in just as big of a misery as everyone else in there.
No-one rules hell. It can't be ruled over. No-one is its master. Everyone will only experience it.
Tesseract
Banned
fair enough
The Incarnation
Member
Not sure where people have got this weird idea of Satan from.
If you actually read the Bible for yourself, it clearly states that Satan is the heart of man.
Proverbs 19:21
There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand.
Jeremiah 18:12
And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart.
Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Genesis 6:5
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
The same wicked and deceitful imagination that makes you believe Satan is actually something else outside of yourself. People keep believing in that cunningly devised fable though.
1 Timothy 4:7
But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
Matthew 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
2 Corinthians 2:11
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
1 John 3:20
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
2 Thessalonians And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
The same Mystery that Jesus knew was in all men, who can know it?
John 2:24-25 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.
That Jesus overcame in the wilderness. Yes, those temptations of his own heart.
John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
And if the Kingdom of Heaven is within, then Satan is within, taking that Kingdom with violence.
Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Hence why he needs to be cast out of the mind, that it has made its seat.
Luke 10:18
And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Genesis 6:5
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
2 Corinthians 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
To summarise;
Psalm 13:2
How long shall I take counsel in my soul, having sorrow in my heart daily? how long shall mine enemy be exalted over me?
As for hell;
Job 26:6-7 Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering. He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
We're in it, hanging in the nothingness of space, in that empty place.
Proverbs 15:11
Hell and destruction are before the Lord: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?
Luke 16:15
And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
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Sorcerer
Member
Dante's Divine Comedy made me a little nervous. According to Dante, if you spend your life being the best person you can be and God knows that the only reason you are doing is to get in God's good graces or into Heaven, guess what, you are entering a ring of hell. That book made ascending into Heaven seem completely impossible. As though one must endure every ring of Hell first before one is even considered for Heaven.
Maybe a stupid question. Did Dante write the book as a piece of fiction or did he try to pass it off as something he actually experienced? I cannot find the answer to that question.
Maybe a stupid question. Did Dante write the book as a piece of fiction or did he try to pass it off as something he actually experienced? I cannot find the answer to that question.
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Sorcerer
Member
No worries. I just assumed God might be a little bias towards his Angels, but your point is valid. They have a job to do for God, and their betrayal would anger/hurt God more than Human betrayal.
Singular7
Member
Pure fiction.
And humans don't go to heaven anyway, they are resurrected onto earth!
"God blesses those who are humble, for they will inherit the whole earth." - Matthew 5:5
"But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace " - Psalm 37:11
Dante was amalgamating pagan ideas like "hades" and "elysium" with Christian ethics.
He should have read Romans 7 and realized the struggle we all deal with before writing the Inferno
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trikster40
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Angels don’t go by the same saving grace as humans. Christ died for mankind, so repenting wouldn’t do Satan any good.
Once he made his choice, it was permanent.
Once he made his choice, it was permanent.
Astral Dog
Member
hmm, probably only God knows the answer to that question
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Helscream
Banned
Lucky you OP. Looks like the God of the Bible already answered your question.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
So according to Biblical Eschatology Satan has a scheduled date with the Lake of Fire that will last eternally.
Also here is a piece of trivia. When Satan gets cast into the Lake of Fire. His friends the Beast and False Prophet will have already be roasting there for 1000 years prior to Satan's arrival.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
So according to Biblical Eschatology Satan has a scheduled date with the Lake of Fire that will last eternally.
Also here is a piece of trivia. When Satan gets cast into the Lake of Fire. His friends the Beast and False Prophet will have already be roasting there for 1000 years prior to Satan's arrival.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
The false prophet must be a fallen Angel or a person? In all those religious TV shows and cinema you imagine someone being filled with some sorta evil spirit. Otherwise it would be someone who is supernatural appearing on earth. My mother always talked about the antichrist. She’d watch shows about chips being implanted in our skins with the mark of the beast. Then any evil politician or leader was considered the antichrist. Time to God is in a blink of an eye. A 1000 or a million years isn’t long. I don’t get why Satan gets a thousand before his turn is up. Aren’t they all burning in the same hell?
Blitzmangoman
Member
Is Satan a (fallen) angel in Christianity?
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Yes.
Norwegians are fucked..
SaniOYOYOY
Member
even if god forgive we human wont
The Incarnation
Member
In Christianity yes, in the Bible no. Which I explained quite clearly above. People love their little fantasies of their heart's imagination though.
The Incarnation
Member
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Funny how people can't see that which deceives all on the earth. Held captive in its snare.
Luke 21:34-35
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
This what happens when you take the very image of things written in that sealed book, to the learned and unlearned.
Isaiah 29:10-14
For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
People just forget that though.
Hebrews 10:1
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Because they take the very image of things, forgetting that the words of the book are sealed by similitudes.
Hosea 12:10
I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.
And of course, parables. Because all things of the flesh are parables about the spirit.
Ezekiel 20:49
Then said I, Ah Lord God! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?
And when you can see things plain upon tables, you can run spiritually with what you read in that sealed book.
Habakkuk 2:2-3
And the Lord answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.
For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
Then you can bring out those dark sayings of old.
Psalm 78:2
I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
Dark sayings, that are foolishness to the man who can't discern the scriptures with their spirit.
1 Corinthians 2:13-15
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
Nevermind, eh!
Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
And thus, people continue on, believing Satan is a fallen angel, instead of that very thing, that works within those Children of Disobedience, lost in the conversation of their own hearts, which blinds their mind.
Mark 3:22-26
And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils. And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
Minds specifically blind to the truth of Satan, after all, you can't use Satan to cast out Satan.
Ephesians 2:2-3
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
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The Incarnation
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That is exactly my point. The nature of a man is written in parables, but instead; people follow after fables.
2 Peter 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.