King Dazzar
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Remedy says it's happy with how Alan Wake is running on consoles
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Games that have Native support will automatically detect the DualSense and change everything to match.
Haptics/Audio/Adaptive Triggers will all work.
From this tweet we can safely assume this game has Native DualSense support.
SmokedMeat
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If the developer’s Tweeting that it’s going to be good, then there’s nothing to worry about.
MikeM
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Yes.
No.
“It does not affect me, so it does not exist.”
I can fully attest to the fact that 30fps on OLED looks terrible in any camera panning movement. 60fps minimum or bust on OLED. I don’t buy 30/40fps games anymore because I don’t like to torture my eyeballs.
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Enjoy playing like 4 games for the rest of the gen then. 30fps is going nowhere. Because its the best balance of both worlds. 60fps looks like garbage on console, no matter the display.
King Dazzar
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King Dazzar
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Thats exactly what I was wondering earlier. Would be a shame to have great core visuals then not do any HDR to truly have it shine. No HDR is a show stopper generally for me these days.
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Show me one 60fps game that looks better than its 30fps counterpart on console and I will grant you goldAh, now I see why you won your tag!
Show me one game that has both fidelity and perfomance mode, that has performance mode set as the default mode.
Show me one game that captures marketing material footage in the performance mode.
Show me any sane person that thinks this is "juddery".
You guys are nuts.
MikeM
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Saying there are only four games on console with 60fps or higher modes further proves just how uninformed you are.
I also generally game on PC attached to my OLED, so i’m even further insured against the old plague that is 30fps.
30fps will eventually die. AMD’s frame insertion tech calls for 60fps minimum. Any dev looking to use that properly will need to up their base framerates. Writing is on the wall.
Its well earned.Ah, now I see why you won your tag!
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Alan Wake II, PS5 gameplay, 30fps fidelity mode.
"So juddery! Unplayable! I cant aim!"
Im sick of this crap, you folks are killing dev ambition, and the push for graphical enhancements with your constant 60fps bootlicking. Quit it.
"So juddery! Unplayable! I cant aim!"
Im sick of this crap, you folks are killing dev ambition, and the push for graphical enhancements with your constant 60fps bootlicking. Quit it.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
MikeM
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Looks better is relative. In a still image, a 30fps game will look better than a 60fps game because more frametime is being diverted to things like extra pixels, foliage quality, draw distance, etc.Show me one 60fps game that looks better than its 30fps counterpart on console and I will grant you gold
Show me one game that has both fidelity and perfomance mode, that has performance mode set as the default mode.
Show me one game that captures marketing material footage in the performance mode.
Show me any sane person that thinks this is "juddery".
You guys are nuts.
60fps makes some compromises in the quality to bring about better motion handling and input latency by generating frames faster.
You like 30fps? Do you. Its not for everyone and sure has hell as its own compromises that I can’t stand.
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King Dazzar
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Its fine to like 30fps and be content with it. I was laughing more at the disdain for 60fps and saying made up facts to support your preference. Most games have a 60fps option, not 4 in the future. Its not a balance, when its running at the lowest frame rate doesn't make sense. 40fps would be a balanced mode, hence why its called that in settings. You also lose me when you refer to image quality, yet negate motion resolution and how images look in motion. Its all part of the package consideration for me and many others.Show me one 60fps game that looks better than its 30fps counterpart on console and I will grant you gold
Show me one game that has both fidelity and perfomance mode, that has performance mode set as the default mode.
Show me one game that captures marketing material footage in the performance mode.
Show me any sane person that thinks this is "juddery".
You guys are nuts.
Thankfully, we usually get options - which is great, so that personal preferences can be chosen. Thats how it should be. If Remedy dont provide a decent 60fps option, then its fair for people to call them out on it. Fingers crossed both modes are great, so everyone can choose what they like.
StereoVsn
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40fps is still tolerable with 120hz, IMO, as it’s quite a bit less latency if you look at how that works out vs 30 fps.
Still, 60fps would be significantly better and 30 gps is generally terrible.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
This is 4 months old reupload of reupload.
And no idea what platform is this from...
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This was from the first set of previews. Back in the summer. That footage was running on PS5. Confirmed by devs and people playing it
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rofif
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ok. The more recent footage I found from last month or so, looks more stable.
It has dualsense prompts so maybe its from ps5
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https://wccftech.com/alan-wake-2/
Trailer also PS5 version. Quality mode. 30fps. And yet apparently its unplayable to these people... because 30fps lol
the only PC footage we've seen has been the latest preview and the Nvidia RT/PT tech ads
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
no. 30fps is fine if done well. Like ff16.
Or like bloodborne. Despite some framepacing stutter, the game got better controls response than some 60fps games
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The 60 FPS (we don't even know how good it is at 60 FPS yet) very likely cuts back a lot of the visual flare to reach that target, along with a much lower resolution.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Yes.
One of their Devs made the HDR patch for Control in his free time.
So heres to hoping he straight implemented it into Alan Wake 2 before launch, cuz they clearly already have the codebase to do so.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Yeah I used it and it worries me that he doesn't know what he is doing.Yes.
One of their Devs made the HDR patch for Control in his free time.
So heres to hoping he straight implemented it into Alan Wake 2 before launch, cuz they clearly already have the codebase to do so.
That's too many weird sliders for hdr
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Not scared.A PC gamer scared of calibration..........
What are these stupid options?!
HDR deeper blacks?! No. HDR blacks are 0
Extra saturation? NO. What does that have to do with hdr
HDR brightnes.... ok but which one? It is just generic brightness setting that you dont touch in any game or actual peak brightness. But then form 0 to 100? NITS. WHAT ARE NITS VALUES
HDR original look?! What does that mean
The only good and proper option is hdr UI brightness.
You want to know how to make good hdr, look at hogwarts Legacy or RE gaems. You have lowest black and highest white. thats it
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King Dazzar
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If HDR isnt using system level calibration, then I'd always like, paper white (overall mid point luminance), peak highlights brightness slider and no harm in providing a black level adjustment. If it using the system level calibration, then we should ideally just need the paper white setting. Adding a UI brightness option might be good for OLED users...
TexMex
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I mean, isn't that nearly every performance mode?
Thick Thighs Save Lives
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Really hope it's a good console port since I really want to play it ASAP.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It is, but just addressing why there's no 40hz mode but there is a 60fps mode.
We don't know if the game has any overhead over the 30 to reach 40 in the first place.
The Last of Us Part 1 had a 40hz mode at launch, it was so bad they patched it out of the game entirely.
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Chuck Berry
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Well, what else are they supposed to say? That they’re disappointed by it and to wait for a sale and patches?
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
You remember Control has a sort of washed out look.
When you used the HDR patch didnt that "washed out desaturated" look vanish, it almost looks like the game is using a completely different LUT.
So if you want HDR but still want the "washed out desaturated" look you turn on HDR Original Look.
Deeper Blacks is as the name suggest, Control has near no absolute black sections, people who like using the full range might want the game to have dark areas be err.....darker or not.
Extra Saturation, as the name suggests alters how much of the color gamut you can spread too.....go to Central Research, and mess with that setting, itll become obvious what its doing.
The HDR brightness setting controls how bright the brigthess section of the screen will go based on the NITs you have set, 100 being the max NITs you set.
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UniformDeliverance
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Yeah I’m kind of mind blown by that take. Like yes. Obviously you have to cut back on fidelity to increase performance. But a lot of players value performance over fidelity, and are willing to make that exchange
Physiognomonics
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This game looks better in the 60fps mode. And the 30fps mode is juddery (compared to the 60fps mode). Even John from DF (who likes blurry moving stuff) prefers the 60fps mode.Show me one 60fps game that looks better than its 30fps counterpart on console and I will grant you gold
Show me one game that has both fidelity and perfomance mode, that has performance mode set as the default mode.
Show me one game that captures marketing material footage in the performance mode.
Show me any sane person that thinks this is "juddery".
You guys are nuts.
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Luipadre
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Its already confirmed to be remedys first HDR title. Hopefully they wont fuck it up, because elevated blacks in a game like this would be awful
saintjules
Gold Member
If they can do it better than Returnal did it, then I'm board with the features for the game.
RoadHazard
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I remember when CDPR said this.
But this will be fine in quality mode I'm sure. Performance mode I have strong doubts about, but it's not a game that really needs 60 as much as some other games.
But this will be fine in quality mode I'm sure. Performance mode I have strong doubts about, but it's not a game that really needs 60 as much as some other games.
MacReady13
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Gaming today has NEVER been better!!!!!
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lmao
no it doesn't
no it isn't that gif is not juddery. neither is the alan wake gameplay i posted in this very thread
he's not a true graphics whore.
he values performance over visuals.
Danjin44
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At end of the day we play games, we want game to feel good to play.....I know that sound crazy for "true" graphic whore such as yourself.
Dr. Acid Avatar
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Looks very similar to the RE engine. Not sure why the requirements are so damn crazy for a studio that knows their shit.
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30fps feels great and looks better. unlike you, some people place value in how their games look AND play. crazy concept, im aware.
At end of the day we play games, we want game to feel good to play.....I know that sound crazy for "true" graphic whore such as yourself.
Physiognomonics
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As I play my games 95% in motion, It looks better to me 95% of the time. It might look better on static screens and screenshots. But there is such a thing as temporal resolution. In motion the perceived resolution of the 60fps mode is objectively higher.
Zathalus
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PC version of Control now has native HDR support that was implemented by a Remedy dev. So hopefully it is in.
The HDR in Control is also really good.
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