Rep. Robin Hayes (R-NC): Saddam did have a hand in 9/11
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APF said:
People can think however they want and vote however they want, but when they behave in such a irrational and idiotic manner then I will damned if I show them any respect. You can believe the Sun revolves around the Earth and vote for candidates who espouse that view in their politics, but don't expect me to take you seriously.
I remember laughing at some muslims in the middle east who kept believing that somehow Jews were behind 9-11 despite all facts to the contrary, somehow I thought Americans would never fall for shit like that. I was wrong, this is exactly the same shit and I am a little ashamed that so many Americans can be so ignorant and gullible at the same time.
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APF said:
:lol Yeah, lemme vote for the lying asshole even though I know he's lying because I'm offended that people would talk "down" to me. My best interests? BAH! You talked bad about me!
"What, you sayin' I'm ignant? Well, I'll show you!!"
It's like the rinse cycle over and over and over and over....
My point was, very few people will vote for the "Americans are monkeys, who cares what they think" party (obvious snarky comments aside). Why expect to gain political power if you resent America and detest Americans? If you really "stop caring what most Americans think," then you resign yourself to isolation and maintaining the status quo.
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xsarien said:
No you didn't liar.
bob_arctor
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APF said:
And my point is people are stupid the way a lump of coal's black. There's nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious. Also, who is the "Americans are monkeys, who cares what they think" party? Democrats? GAF isn't a party last time I checked. Please find me these Democrats that stopped caring what most Americans think. Did Kerry resent and detest Americans? Is that why he lost? Apparently, many people will vote for the "Americans are monkeys, let's lie out our asses but be nice" party.
Stop being defensive and start learning to read. Unless you're aiming to prove your point--that what people think is irrelevant, because people are stupid--using yourself as a primary example. In that case, mission accomplished.bob_arctor said:
If you think people are stupid by nature, and you don't care what Americans think, then don't lament the fact that politicians aren't representing you or your ideas; you are purposefully removing yourself from the political process (and in a greater sense, from society).
bob_arctor
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APF said:
People being stupid doesn't make them irrelevant. It just makes them stupid. Bush is relevant, very much so, yet he's an idiot. Any jackass w/ a voting arm is relevant. Also, I don't lament the fact that politicians aren't "representing my ideas", I'm lamenting the fact that people are willfully ignorant, over and over, in the face of all the bullshit thrown their way by this administration.
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android said:
John McCain is such a fucking tool. It was disgusting seeing him kiss Bush's ass last election after the smear campaign Bush ran on McCain in 2000. He's still spewing out the Iraqi bullshit in favor of Bush. All for a chance to run for president in 2008. McCain will whore himself out to get where he wants. How can you trust anything he says? I wouldn't vote for the guy if my life depended on it.
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Uh, duh, he's a politician. Good luck on voting for nobody, ever.
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There's probably politicians who don't overtly "whore" themselves out as McCain did. Not only that, the "whoring" goes against his supposed independent image.Nintendo Ate My Children said:
Excess Poo Flakes
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If billary is the democratic candidate I'm voting libertarian
AssMan said:
"Neocon" gets tossed around a lot, but it's a label that needs to be applied carefully. The basic premise - feel free to use Google to find more on the subject - is the subscription to the philosophy of using American power and force to spread U.S. style democracy, rather than spread it by example and let people reform their governments on their own. There are obvious jingoistic themes that go right along with that; you can't rally the people behind a military movement unless there's a lot of flag waving, after all.
As for McCain? I doubt he honestly believes in this way of doing things. He's most likely lost his political spine; the GOP heads probably dangled the Presidential nomination in front of him, with the stipulation that he march in lockstep a bit more often. It's quite possibly the only way to explain his defense of the President on so many occasions, a stronger politician would've gone Independent.
AssMan said:
I think most of the political pundits don't really group McCain as a "neocon"; he's more of a moderate Republican, at least I think to most, but he's definitely been catering to this administration more than usual of late, which skews him more to the right than he probably was previously. The biggest gripe I think most people have against him is just that he's lost any spine he once had; he spends a lot of time during the interview circuit on TV and he just caves in and defends the administration far too much, even on issues where I think most people feel he should speak out against the administration more. He's become too complacent and that's placing himself towards becoming increasingly irrelevant, but even so, his tendency to kind of drag his feet in agreeing with the administration and the fact that a lot of the more right wing extremist measures don't originate from him probably saves him from the "neocon" title. Incognito, Mandark, or someone more attuned with his past will probably be able to clarify more on McCain in particular.
As far as the Republicans go, I just don't see much promise there. There are notably few moderate Republicans around at this point, so it's a toss up in my eyes if there's anyone I expect to have any sense of backing whatsoever from me in '08. The new issue of the Economist is suggesting Mark Warner, the governor of Virginia, team up with Joe Biden, the Senator from Connecticut, as a Democratic alternative to Hillary Clinton; the premise being that they are a complementary pair that would particularly help the Dems win the South and provide a strong critique against the administration. I'm not real sold on that assessment, as I think Biden is essentially the Democrats' McCain at this point.
Regarding the original topic at hand, well, it's safe to say that Hayes is an idiot, and that there are a metric ton of idiotic Republicans in the House that spew this nonsense. Duncan Hunter's attempts to dress up the Guatanamo abuses by showcasing the menu being another very recent occurance of that.
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