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Report: Sony overhauling PlayStation Plus with new tiers and streaming
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
It's only the future if you compare it to the traditional model of the past. The real GamePass threat is the one game monster, the metaverse, the more appealing Minecraft, Fortnite, League of Legends etc...
I've leaned PlayStation most of my life. Still do.
I've given Microsoft ~$700 dollars the last 9 months due to GamePass + Series X.
I've given Sony $0 dollars the last 9 months.
I've spent 95 percent of my gaming time the last 9 months playing Fortnite on my PS4.
Microsoft, and soon Sony, have to be concerned about that because individual games are getting both deeper (3,000+ hours) and wider (appeals to a wider variety of player).
Because Sony wants to get more subscriber income without losing much of the game sale profits.
PS+ doesn't need more subscribers than GamePass to make sense. Sony likes selling games at or near release.
Calling 911 Melts Beams
Banned
i subscribe to jason schrierer platinum on kickstopper. it entitles me to four twitter outrages and six clickbaits per month, but does not include news about blizzard employees being creepy
ReBurn
Gold Member
Pretty much all of what you've mentioned is supported by gamers. They continue to pre-order and buy games at full price without waiting to see if they're crap or not and they willingly funnel billions of dollars into MTX. People want to be sold stuff piecemeal and broken. Corps are giving the people what they want.Both Sony and MS can shove their sub services deep in the their corpo A$$E$.
The gaming industry is getting worst by the day. From normalizing broken games during release, greedy monotizarion schemes, to wanting to remove any type of ownership. All of this is thanks to YOU lazy, smug corpo worshiping gamers out there for bending over to your lord and saviour Phil ”I’m a true gamer” Jimbo.
Chukhopops
Member
Let’s remain curious but if confirmed that will make for a very nice thread.
tusharngf
Member
Kudos to JIM ryan. He got everything right from the start. Sony is in SAFE HAND. They have the numbers,subscribers, blockbuster games and fastest selling hardware. Remember guys future is all about service based revenue just like netflix. You collect money every month no matter what and keep it going. Netflix has 200 million subscribers. Imagine if sony or microsoft replicates the same in gaming field.
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MatrixReloaded101
Member
Having a subscription service that gives access to PS1/PS2/PSP/PS3 and PS Plus games seems like a no brainer to me.
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GHG
Gold Member
The delusion and ignorance is strong with this one.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Papa bless. I hope Sony puts up a good fight. Everyone wins with this btw.
nikolino840
Member
I hope just for seeing journos triggered about years of GP is bad for the industries and after writing "is a smart move"
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Press Sneak Cuck said:
If PS1, PS2, PS3 and PSP games are tied to streaming, then no thank you. I can see PS3 being streamed since that's how it is on PS Now, but I don't see why the others should be
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Agent X
Member
Same here! They had done little with PS2 games on PS4 (and PS Now, by extension), and virtually nothing with PS1 and PSP aside from a few ported/emulated games. I hope this represents a renewed effort to bring a significantly larger number of these systems' games to current PS4/PS5 users.
That's close to what I think could happen, although I believe tier 3 needs some other perks in addition to PS1/PS2/PSP games. While those games are attractive to a certain group of people like me, I don't think they're a big enough enticement to the masses to carry a more expensive tier by themselves.
Sony might be better off just putting PS1/PS2/PSP games into PS Now (tier 2), and give something like "day one" releases of certain games on tier 3.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Doesn't sound like they are killing their streaming service though.
GHG
Gold Member
The whole industry goes to shit if everything goes in this direction.
If you think the number of subpar, undercooked and flat out unfinished games is something now then prepare your butt.
It would crash the industry.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Unfortunately, it doesn't include PS3 games if this is accurate.
twilo99
Member
There will be so many U turns we might get a little traffic jam.
rickybooby87
Member
Interesting development for sure. At the end of the day, we’ll be able to publicly see exactly how this service affects the bottom dollar in quarterly financial reports, unlike other players.
Dr Bass
Member
They won't. Gaming doesn't have those kinds of numbers. And Netflix still loses money.
This rumor is surely, surely, bogus. At least in terms of it being a "game pass" competitor, he even straight up says the big games aren't coming to this new PS+. It sounds like a merging of PS Now into PS+, and then raising the price for that tier. That's it. Simplify the branding. Maybe offer more old games on that tier as well. Games that aren't selling anymore.
But again, this is just PS+ and PS Now as it stands now.
Wrong. The business does not win.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
If they're smart, it will always be sold as optional.
Sounds cheesy, but one of the things MS does well to convince me to embrace the sub is at the same time also investing in game preservation, backwards compatibility, offering sales to purchase titles leaving Gamepass so you can own it, etc. Cloud is always presented as a secondary option to installing. It builds a little goodwill and trust.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Of course it does, those are the most wanted games, and the key to actually adding value for subscribers. Imagine Netflix with no new shows, just old ones that have already been on TV, it fails.
ReBurn
Gold Member
They're real people. They don't need to be in quotes. There's more of them and in aggregate and they spend more money on gaming in aggregate than the niche group of collectors. That's why they're being catered to with subscription services. For people who don't care about ownership and just want to play games a smorgasbord of modern games is exactly what they want. Sorry to say, but collectors are going to be screwed in the digital future.
You think the people who play and discard the annual FIFA games are the ones who solidify your point on long term game ownership?
you think a large portion of the FIFA/Madden/COD crowd don’t play other games?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
NickFire
Member
Nope. Ignore the click bait. This is PS Now repackaged. This is not a day 1 release offering.
Anyone taking a bow over this needs to read the actual text of what they are planning to offer.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
It didn't take a genius to predict this was coming. They'll start out however they start out, but sooner rather than later, there will start to be newer PS5 game perks for this service. There has been no stronger proving of Game Pass's benefits for strong first party releases than recent weeks.
Portugeezer
Member
So... It's current PS Now.
tmlDan
Member
Do people know that PS Now/Gaikai was out before gamepass? why are they saying that they are following Xbox.
technically they began the trend, xbox altered it and pushed marketing hard for a similar service and now Sony is rebranding theirs with a larger push after seeing how successful it could be.
This is the beauty of competition and business strategies, not who copied who.
I feel like a lot of people predicted or expected this to be a thing, they can even add a tier including crunchyroll/funimation
technically they began the trend, xbox altered it and pushed marketing hard for a similar service and now Sony is rebranding theirs with a larger push after seeing how successful it could be.
This is the beauty of competition and business strategies, not who copied who.
I feel like a lot of people predicted or expected this to be a thing, they can even add a tier including crunchyroll/funimation
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Topher
Identifies as young
But Netflix "shows" are not the equivalent to AAA games. That would be the big movie releases that are not day one on any online service except during a pandemic.
Especially since Jim Ryan explicitly said something was coming.....
Sony's Jim Ryan Hints at Xbox Game Pass Competitor for PS5
'There is actually news to come, but just not today.'
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Kenshin775
Member
Half measure if there is no new content.
This is actually going to increase Gamepass subs. This will bring more awareness to the netflix like subscription model for games. Now even more people will talk about how crappy Sony's sub is compared to Gamepass in online and real world discussions
MS has probably been planning for this moment that Sony responds. I bet MS have been locking down "Subscription Exclusive content" deals from third parties for the last few yrs. In other words games that can be bought at full price on both consoles but Gamepass will be the only sub that you can play it on.
In the future when a big game drops people will want to know which subscription service its on. I dont think Sony understands that. MS will spend large sums of money to make sure they get the best new content deals. They are all in.
This is actually going to increase Gamepass subs. This will bring more awareness to the netflix like subscription model for games. Now even more people will talk about how crappy Sony's sub is compared to Gamepass in online and real world discussions
MS has probably been planning for this moment that Sony responds. I bet MS have been locking down "Subscription Exclusive content" deals from third parties for the last few yrs. In other words games that can be bought at full price on both consoles but Gamepass will be the only sub that you can play it on.
In the future when a big game drops people will want to know which subscription service its on. I dont think Sony understands that. MS will spend large sums of money to make sure they get the best new content deals. They are all in.
NickFire
Member
You started off strong with that first sentence. I expected so much better from the rest of the ad.
Captain Toad
Banned
As someone who feels the need to play every major game I want, but no desire to waste time on games I don't, I HATE this future.
Right now, it's $15 a month for GamePass. Next, another $15 for Sony games. Nintendo could eventually follow suit.
Sure, that's only about $50 a month, but that's NOT all Xbox, PlayStation and Nintendo games - it's mostly first-party and bargin bin selection of old third-party games. Hell, probably not even that as every publisher will begin to lock their games behind their own monthly paywalls.
It will get to the point where it's no longer feasible to just play the games we want. We'll need to choose which subscriptions to pay monthly fees for and hope the games we really want to play are on that service. I will not be surprised when games are ONLY available to monthly subscribers, just like certain shows, movies, etc are only available if you have the correct subscription service.
If something sounds too good... There's a reason these companies want to go the subscription route and it isn't to SAVE you money...
Right now, it's $15 a month for GamePass. Next, another $15 for Sony games. Nintendo could eventually follow suit.
Sure, that's only about $50 a month, but that's NOT all Xbox, PlayStation and Nintendo games - it's mostly first-party and bargin bin selection of old third-party games. Hell, probably not even that as every publisher will begin to lock their games behind their own monthly paywalls.
It will get to the point where it's no longer feasible to just play the games we want. We'll need to choose which subscriptions to pay monthly fees for and hope the games we really want to play are on that service. I will not be surprised when games are ONLY available to monthly subscribers, just like certain shows, movies, etc are only available if you have the correct subscription service.
If something sounds too good... There's a reason these companies want to go the subscription route and it isn't to SAVE you money...
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MatrixReloaded101
Member
Because it would make zero sense for them to do that.
PS5 games are $70 and they are still selling well. Having first party games released day one in a sub service like game pass would kill their sales completely.
Both Sony and Nintendo are known for having high quality first party titles so they have no reason to go that route like Xbox does.
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Dr Bass
Member
Nope.
Let MS show some real numbers first. Nothing is going to change in the overall scheme of things post Horizon 5, you're talking complete nonsense with zero supporting evidence.
Sony does not want to take in less revenue to offer more games to players. Neither does Nintendo.
This isn't going to happen. It doesn't take a genius to see that.
Btw I think the headline is a bit misleading since this is not a take on Gamepass but it's more a way of rebranding and repackaging existing services in a way that is more attractive and makes more sense for current consumers.
Plus as it is right now makes little sense, the free monthly games are usually shit and it's only necessary to play online.
They should just cut the price on the basic online multiplayer access alone and offer a worthy selection of games in a higher tier.
Plus as it is right now makes little sense, the free monthly games are usually shit and it's only necessary to play online.
They should just cut the price on the basic online multiplayer access alone and offer a worthy selection of games in a higher tier.
sircaw
Banned
it has to have more strings to its bow, it's going to be interesting what they do with it.
The key factor will be price, IMO ps plus is amazing value.
TonyK
Member
So it's nothing compared to Gamepass. Gamepass means one thing: first party AAA games accessible day one. Anything that doesn't implies that is PSNOW or PS+ shit.
By the way, I'm a Playstation user, I don't have a Xbox. But comparing the vomitive Sony services with Gamepass it's offensive even for a Playstation fan like me.
Let’s not revise history yet. Games as a service games came well before Subscription services.
This feels like needless doom-and-gloom. On Gamepass this year alone we’ve seen multiple gems that can’t be described as ‘unfinished’ and have their quality levels completely unaffected by the subscription service.
Darlingcognito
Member
Another genius level PlayStation invention.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Netflix booked $1.4 billion in profit according to their most recent quarterly earnings statement and made $4.5 billion in the first 9 months of 2021. If you're building an argument off of Netflix you're doing it wrong.
Ezquimacore
Banned
sounds like trash already. every service out there sounds like trash compared to what gamepass offers.
The absolute state of cope.
tmlDan
Member
Generally shows/movies cost less than triple A games and Netflix needed 214 million subs to make a profit.
your point isn't very strong either.