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Republicans vote to move ahead on Obamacare repeal
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Good luck!
Morrigan Stark
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It's an expression, indicating that the people who do have a chance to do something about it, should. It's not "you" as in "anyone reading this right now at this moment".
It is frankly bizarre that you would take that post personally. I sure as hell didn't?
Tal Shiar Agent
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There are actually a fair number of left-wing militias in the US, they just have the sense to not make a scene like the right-wing militias do so they don't get noticed.
"'I'll be accused of Sorkin-izing McCain. But his floor speech seemed clear he wants to end McConnell's process & return to regular order."
lmao this guy can fuck off. He's aware that he'll be accused of Sorkin-izing McCain because that's exactly what the fuck he's doing.
People with nothing to lose anymore have nothing to lose.
That is usually the springboard for violence.
If this Republican idea becomes law, I do not see an environment where shootings happen just to civilians on a daily basis as they are in America at the moment; a new arena will be considered.
The GOP being a party of death to help enable all of this is one of the darker points of irony. They only care about fetuses, not the flesh of life after the womb.
"It's on you."
No, it's not, it's on my Senators and the people that voted for them. It's on them.
Shadow Puppetry
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I'm a bit surprised McCain was against it, but it's too late.
randomengine
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Any progressive gains the Republicans take from us will just be replaced by something better when Democrats get back in power.
Make the healthcare system worse, their reward will be single-payer and universal coverage.
Make the healthcare system worse, their reward will be single-payer and universal coverage.
You deserve everything you (won't) get from Trump.
Not yet, but we're a step closer
brianmcdoogle
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That is indeed what I meant.
JetBlackPanda
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Type 1 Diabetic here with a health plan via my workplace how fucked am I going to be?
I can't keep up anymore.
I can't keep up anymore.
SenorArdilla
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McCain has no spine.
Pop-O-Matic
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Psychoward
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Not if gerrymandering gets even worse and the supreme court gets another 1 or 2 conservative justices.
Phoenix RISING
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If 200 people said they hated Superman 64, and you liked it, what is the point of saying so unless you WANT 200 angry posters to tell you how wrong you are?
So yes. Assume there are still racists and sexists on the site too.
Yekshemesh
Member
Fuck McCain, I'm going to take a nice big shot of tequila when him and McConnel chokes it.
Imperfected
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As a serious note, speaking from my counter-insurgency experience, this is basically the worst possible situation.
The hardest threats to identify and track are individuals with no strong affiliation. It's easy to throw everyone in the Black Panther Party or who lives on a compound in Montana in a registry and put up red flags when they start buying guns and ammo or items that can be broken down into chemical components for improvised explosives. It's easy to intercept traffic between organized groups of malcontents and react appropriately.
It's very, very hard to figure out which cancer patient has suddenly become suicidal due to viewing themselves as a financial liability to their family and is going to express that outwardly rather than privately. It's very, very hard to tell when a father who loses his son has borne a lifelong vendetta that runs contrary to his previous associations and affiliations.
And, to be perfectly blunt, it isn't practical to prevent these kinds of attacks, even with increased security. We've had (many) presidents take bullets from lone, deranged gunmen, and the level of security that can be offered to members of Congress when they're away from DC isn't even a laughable fraction of that. They're creating a threat they can't actually see coming and can't really stop.
The fact they're doing this while the intelligence community is being hamstrung by partisan in-fighting and an intentional obstructive/oppositional administration does not help.
Best case scenario is that your premiums go up. That amount depends on what insurance company your workplace goes through.
McCain voted yes, he wasn't against it.
*UNKNOWN*
Like seriously, there's a good chance that nothing passes even with this. Not to mention there's no bill out right now so no one knows what's gonna be voted on later. I doubt that anything that gets rid of the pre-existing conditions mandate gets through so you personally probably won't be affected since you have an employer plan.
It's complex but at the very least your costs will go through the roof. Also you might be uninsurable if you try to switch plans due to pre-existing conditions.
Essentially the model they're trying to emulate is similar to auto insurance
If you are risk free: insurance will be "cheap"
If you are risk-prone: insurance will be out of reach or insanely expensive
Shadow Puppetry
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Misread it on Politico, my bad.
Angelus Errare
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lol good luck with that.
randomengine
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Universal healthcare arrived to the UK in the wake of World War II.
Tell that to my friends who will die without their insurance and only have it because of the ACA.
Oh wait-that's right-you're one of those: "fuck you, got mine" guys.
Your naivety is infuriating.
The American way. Apparently.
LegendofJoe
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If Medicaid is gutted that might change in the near future. A lot of lives are on the line. Medicaid pays for half of all births in this country and it's the lifeline of disabled people.
Angelus Errare
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Employer sponsored insurance became a thing because of WWII and caps on salary in the US.
Not sure what that has to do with anything. Unless you're suggesting we're about to enter WW3 as a positive.
Mighty Chin
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So this is Pences 4th tie breaking vote in 6 months.
Care to guess how many Biden did in 8 years?
Care to guess how many Biden did in 8 years?
...0...
Good luck with that. The ACA was a right-leaning bill and look at how the GOP treats it as a more dangerous cancer that what's manifesting in John McCain's brain.
It's almost as if Trump is a weak and ineffectual leader.
randomengine
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As things get progressively worse, it opens the possibility for a rebound in the other direction. Look at the Gilded Age followed by the Progressive Era in the early 20th century.
Yeah, it's crazy the bullshit the Republicans are willing to push.
ACA WAS LITERALLY MITT ROMNEY'S HEALTHCARE PLAN FROM MASSACHUSETTS
REMEMBER? THAT GUY WHO YOU GUYS WANTED TO BE PRESIDENT???
Republican politicians are all aware of this, they're not stupid even if they're evil. They choose to forget this fact conveniently because the consultants tell them it's good for their brand.
randomengine
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Because it covers almost everyone and provides a benefit that can be perceived as universal coverage. It was always advertised on the left as a stepping stone to single-payer. Republicans understand that and that is why they want to kill it so badly. But in so doing, they also run the risk of ensuring the very outcome they so vehemently fear.
But it's a Democrat plan. And a black man pushed it forward. Therefore it's the worst. For the Republicans, it's a combination of racism and "we can't concede to the Democrats on anything/even more slightly leftward as it might give the Dems head-way into bringing the country left-ward and then we'd lose power!".
John Mccain has redefined elite decadence and disdain. Such hate for the poor it's almost vomit inducing.
the-pi-guy
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Firstly, healthcare gets more expensive every year. Always has. It actually slowed down since ACA.
Secondly, the ACA isn't limited to the Obamacare plans on the website.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wFUk1DX3gtA
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Interesting theory. So it might all be a show for McCain to want to put an end to how McConnell has been running things? I have zero confidence in McCain, but it sure owuld make for an interesting story if that's his plan.
Bravo!
With regard to the Obamacare repeal, we're simply f***ed now.
Also, screw you McCain. What an awful thing to do during your last dying days.
Angelus Errare
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You forgot that what immediately preceded those eras was death and famine. It was a response to "holy shit, hundreds of thousands of people are dying left and right, we gotta do something".
We have not reached the death era yet, there is no rebound without that era to act as the catalyst.
I don't know if it covers almost everyone. You have cost gaps, where depending on income, people are at thresholds where they can have a plan they can't use.
Of course, this goes back to the fact it's a right-leaning project, so that comes par for the course: anything the right proposes creates more holes than it fills. The GOP preyed on the fact people fell into this trap, which is even more sickening when you think about it as this was the health care system they wanted.
Now they want something even worse, likely to hammer home the narrative the big ebil gubment cannot do a health care system, but the moralistic free market can. Vile motherfuckers, the lot of them.
This will come just on the jobs cult front, which will bleed into healthcare as that's still largely linked to employment for most people.
Loss of jobs = loss of life by our own valuation systems. This is already unfolding with tens of millions of people drowning.
And this is before the ship sinks...
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