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[Erethian]

Tank controls are fine when the enemies are designed with them in mind.

Which is why almost all RE monsters attack with a specific side of their body, and it's all about finding the angles that let you run right past them. The Nemesis fights were wierdly satisfying in this sense, and once you figured it out you could feasibly take him down with only a handgun.

 

[DodgyGeezerFella]

Code Veronica is a shit Resident Evil because of these lot -

God damned Japanesey wierd as shit awkward game.

 

[kyo_daikun]

Still think RE2 is the best. Music, multiple scenarios, settings, action sequences... shit is the pinnacle of the series for me.

Remake has the best atmosphere though, and is by far the scariest installment.

Im happy to agree with this, 4 was good but Resi 2 will always have a special place in my heart, just wish Capcom would do a remake for it.

 

[Eyeh4wk]

Also the original Resident Evil is worth playing just for the hilarious dialogue, humm... Jill sandwich, granted it didn't improve in the sequels.

 

[MechaX]

Code Veronica is a shit Resident Evil because of these lot -

*Alfred - Steve * Wesker*

God damned Japanesey wierd as shit awkward game.

Say what you will about Steve and Wesker, but Alfred has a special place in my memory for giving me and my friends laughing material for literally years. Wesker only accomplished that in the Dreamcast version.

 

[Man God]

Are all these crazy REmake haters leftovers from the SDF?

REmake is the gold standard of all remade games and is easily the best version.

 

[KenOD]

I demand a re-release of Outbreak. People will actually be able to play it online with current systems, and they should!

I don't want tank controls for future games however. I never liked them even when they were new and everyone decided every survival "horror" game needed them. RE5 Gold's Mansion style of controls and visuals, work it a bit so it's slightly slower, and REmake's monsters, that would be right for me in terms of reboot of the franchise or "return to".

I also want more Resident Evil 4, not 5, but that could be a spin-off series or just another game that uses it's engine.

 

[Seven Force]

Eff the haters, I love Code Veronica in all of it's cheesy, over the top glory.

 

[plagiarize]

pulls up a chair.

Sup?

i know it's not much, certainly not compared to what the big man himself has (and there's a couple of things not in the this picture, like PC versions of 4 and 5, as well as Deadly Silence) but it's the only section of my game shelf that is dedicated to one thing and one thing only.

the best series.

RE4 remains the greatest game ever made... and no series comes close in my eyes. it was my favourite series before 4 came out, and 4 pushed it into another level.

looking forwards to getting to know some of you guys a little bit better

did i ever tell you about the time i went blind playing Resident Evil 5? or the time i pulled an all nighter playing Resident Evil 2 that ended with repeated vomiting and losing an entire day?

fond places in my memory... all of those

 

[Dacon]

tank controls and fixed cameras are better for horror, you can let the cameras have a bit of give for better view while still maintaining the direction

No, they aren't. There is nothing innately better about one or the other.

One CAN be better than the other given its execution. It's all about creativity and good game design.

SH:H for all my hate of it has some legitimately scary/tense moments that I thought were pretty well done.

 

[mikeeb13]

No, they aren't. There is nothing innately better about one or the other.

One CAN be better than the other given its execution. It's all about creativity and good game design.

agree

 

[Magnus]

Before anyone bitches about the story, it would be advisable to go to http://projectumbrella.net for a while, if the story is even in your interest.

We've been making the story coherent for a few years now. Turns out if you want to understand the story, you simply cannot rely on the localized English versions. The translation work on them is pathetic, with many of the essential files being cut down, mistranslated, censored and simply having things made-up completely. The "cheesy" dialogue is also a result of the pitiful localization work.

There are no "plot holes" in the series, or even retcons. Only mistranslations, and other stuff which is just the result of people misunderstanding or placing too much importance in pre-rendered backgrounds or something silly (like the barricades in the RPD in BH3, which are destroyed by Zombies). CAPCOM have also already explained the fates of Sherry, Steve and other characters. The problem is, they have only offered the explanations in Japanese material. They generally release nothing worthwhile or pertinent to the plot in the West.

P.S. Fuck the "Resident Evil Wikia". It needs shut down.



They already explained it. She is in the protective custody of the U.S. Government. Wesker had access to her through spies in the department responsible for her. Also, the first Wesker's Report is generally not really canon. Also, she has her own stand-alone story set in an alternative universe.

Relevant Links

BIOHAZARD UMBRELLA CHRONICLES ~Prelude to the Fall~
BIOHAZARD 2 Official Guide Book
BIOHAZARD 3 LAST ESCAPE Official Guidebook - Complete Conquest of Nemesis
BIOHAZARD GUN SURVIVOR OFFICIAL GUIDEBOOK
BIOHAZARD CODE:Veronica Kanzenban Kaitai Shinsho
biohazard 4 Kaitai Shinsho
biohazard 4 Perfect Capture Guide
BIOHAZARD 5 Kaitai Shinsho
Chronology of Evil
BIOHAZARD Canon
BIOHAZARD archives II
INSIDE OF BIOHAZARD THE DARKSIDE CHRONICLES
Angela's Diary
biohazard 4 Incubate

Wow. Post of the motherfucking year (for me). I mean, I always suspected a couple of details were lost, as they are in most every translation project, but I didn't realize it was that bad. I love the Resident Evil series so much as is; to know there's so much more going on that we've never actually been able to read, wonderful!

 

[ULTROS!]

Code Veronica is a shit Resident Evil because of these lot -

God damned Japanesey wierd as shit awkward game.

No u, Wesker was awesome in CVX:

 

[luka]

tank controls are best controls

Before anyone bitches about the story, it would be advisable to go to http://projectumbrella.net for a while, if the story is even in your interest.

We've been making the story coherent for a few years now. Turns out if you want to understand the story, you simply cannot rely on the localized English versions. The translation work on them is pathetic, with many of the essential files being cut down, mistranslated, censored and simply having things made-up completely. The "cheesy" dialogue is also a result of the pitiful localization work.

There are no "plot holes" in the series, or even retcons. Only mistranslations, and other stuff which is just the result of people misunderstanding or placing too much importance in pre-rendered backgrounds or something silly (like the barricades in the RPD in BH3, which are destroyed by Zombies). CAPCOM have also already explained the fates of Sherry, Steve and other characters. The problem is, they have only offered the explanations in Japanese material. They generally release nothing worthwhile or pertinent to the plot in the West.

P.S. Fuck the "Resident Evil Wikia". It needs shut down.



They already explained it. She is in the protective custody of the U.S. Government. Wesker had access to her through spies in the department responsible for her. Also, the first Wesker's Report is generally not really canon. Also, she has her own stand-alone story set in an alternative universe.

Relevant Links

BIOHAZARD UMBRELLA CHRONICLES ~Prelude to the Fall~
BIOHAZARD 2 Official Guide Book
BIOHAZARD 3 LAST ESCAPE Official Guidebook - Complete Conquest of Nemesis
BIOHAZARD GUN SURVIVOR OFFICIAL GUIDEBOOK
BIOHAZARD CODE:Veronica Kanzenban Kaitai Shinsho
biohazard 4 Kaitai Shinsho
biohazard 4 Perfect Capture Guide
BIOHAZARD 5 Kaitai Shinsho
Chronology of Evil
BIOHAZARD Canon
BIOHAZARD archives II
INSIDE OF BIOHAZARD THE DARKSIDE CHRONICLES
Angela's Diary
biohazard 4 Incubate

excellent post. playing the japanese versions made the differences between the dialogue and the actual script that was in the subtitles pretty clear.

 

[Eyeh4wk]

No u, Wesker was awesome in CVX:

Duckface

 

[How About No]

Tank Controls - Yay or Nay?

Yay!...but that doesn't mean every game ever should have them.

Traditional vs. New Style Resident Evil

They are both quite great and I can not choose

But I'll pick old school but with RE4 still being one of the best games evah

Best and Worst games in the series

RE2, Survivor, duh.

Whatever happened to Sherry/Barry/Rebecca/etc.

Prostitution, alcohol, pornography, respectively.

Duckface

Yeah, well you have a dogface. THE FACE OF A DOG

 

[Hours Left]

Beefy Chris Redfield for life!

 

[How About No]

Beefy Chris Redfield for life!

*sees avatar*

I sense a pattern

 

[BattleMonkey]

Tank controls were fine for RE, but not anymore, time to move on and RE5 to me just showed it was time for change.

 

[luka]

Tank controls were fine for RE, but not anymore, time to move on and RE5 to me just showed it was time for change.

5 showed it was time for a change in producer, not controls.

 

[Hours Left]

*sees avatar*

I sense a pattern

Muscle makeovers FTW.

 

[Night_Trekker]

I love tank controls <3

 

[ULTROS!]

Who do you guys hope for the next RE?

I want to see Claire Redfield doing matrix-like action (kinda like the new Jill).

 

[Grisby]

Who do you guys hope for the next RE?

I want to see Claire Redfield doing matrix-like action (kinda like the new Jill).

Maybe a return to some more survival horror. I'd like to see 6 be an end all thing to Umbrella and all of the characters side stories.

Claire, Jill, and Chris should be the stars. Or Rebecca.

 

[Ithil]

God Tier:
REmake, RE2 and RE4

Great Tier:
RE3, RE1 (for hilarity reasons)

Good tier:
RE0, RECVX

Meh Tier:
RE5, RE: The Mercenaries (as a standalone)

No Thanks Tier:
RE Outbreak (I understand some people like it, just not for me), RE Gun Survivor (or whatever it was called, I hated it)



The "meh" tier is how good they are as Resident Evil games, now, as RE5 is still a fun game, it's just lacking as a RE game.

I'm a massive Resident Evil fan, it's easily in my top five all time game franchises.

 

[randomwab]

Why are both Resident Evil and Zero down as having taken place in 1996 in the OP timeline?

And what's with the lack of Outbreak/File 2. Best Resident Evil behind RE/make, 2 and 4.

 

[Ithil]

Who do you guys hope for the next RE?

I want to see Claire Redfield doing matrix-like action (kinda like the new Jill).

Barry and Rebecca return in the main storyline, along with Chris, Jill and Leon. Two playable characters again like RE1 and RE2, with major differences in the game depending on the choice.

Plot-wise, bring back up some Umbrella, since they've been absent since CV. I know the company is dead and they wasted Spencer in RE5 (after so much build-up, he should have been the main villain of a game, not just a cutscene)

Above all, it needs another gameplay overhaul, the RE4 model got stale fast thanks to RE5. I know it's a long shot to get the emphasis back on horror, but that's what I want. I'd like an urban setting, as well, like RE2 and 3, with new " basic" creatures (like zombies and ganados) to change things up.

I'm not sure what gameplay direction to take it, mind. I think a mixture of RE classic and RE modern is what's needed, the mobility from modern, in fact increased further (running and shooting, for instance) but used to more easily navigate smaller, more claustrophobic environments rather than open areas with easily gunned down enemies.

 

[Diablohead]

Tanks controls for live!

I love CV as I bought it at launch and back then it was a sight to behold on that little beauty of a dreamcast, and I like it's gameplay too. It's just as good as resi 1 and 2 to me.

 

[ULTROS!]

Why are both Resident Evil and Zero down as having taken place in 1996 in the OP timeline?

And what's with the lack of Outbreak/File 2. Best Resident Evil behind RE/make, 2 and 4.

RE0 takes place a few days (or a day) before RE1, so of course they're both the same year.

Edit: Whoops, I forgot it was 1998.

 

[cvxfreak]

Why are both Resident Evil and Zero down as having taken place in 1996 in the OP timeline?

And what's with the lack of Outbreak/File 2. Best Resident Evil behind RE/make, 2 and 4.

Sorry -- I accidentally placed an older, incorrect timeline image and replaced it with a corrected one. I had the corrected one before the OP was complete, but forgot to swap 'em out.

 

[Paracelsus]

Tank controls made Resident Evil, RE4 broke Resident Evil and made an outstanding action game. As long as you will be able to deal with it there's no problem.

 

[Dreamer RD]

Tank controls are bullshit. There was many games with it. Dino Crisis, Alone in The Dark, Enigma, Countdown Vampires etc

RE4 killed all that shit. Mikami created one of the greatest games of all time. And the worst RE is obviosuly RE5 with CVX after it.

 

[The Xtortionist]

Tank controls are bullshit. There was many games with it. Dino Crisis, Alone in The Dark, Enigma, Countdown Vampires etc

RE4 killed all that shit. Mikami created one of the greatest games of all time. And the worst RE is obviosuly RE5 with CVX after it.

RE4 had tank controls...

 

[randomwab]

Tank controls are bullshit. There was many games with it. Dino Crisis, Alone in The Dark, Enigma, Countdown Vampires etc

RE4 killed all that shit. Mikami created one of the greatest games of all time. And the worst RE is obviosuly RE5 with CVX after it.

But RE4 has tank controls....

 

[Yoshichan]

God tier: All of these three games changed the way I looked at games. All three of them.
REmake, RE2, RE4

Great tier:
RE1, RECVX, RE5

Good tier:
RE0

Bad tier:
RE3

Oh, and the gimmick REs fits no tier list.

 

[Dreamer RD]

But RE4 has tank controls....

Ok then "Neo-Tank-Controls" are better anyway. In old RE's it's very awkward, considering 2D gameplay. And early games are even without quick 180 degree turn. Moving like a robot lol.

 

[legacyzero]

Sue me for never being bothered by tank controls.

seriously. I cant imagine the old school RE's without tank controls. The frequent camera changes and such would have made it annoying without it. However, Silent Hill 2&3 manages to perfect directional controls.

 

[kevinski]

My main gripe with the RE series is its developers' insistence on limiting the level of control that you have on the action. Tank controls, thankfully, have more or less been left in the dust by the series (with the exceptions generally being re-releases), but I still feel that the series has a little further to go in terms of control freedom. While many people (especially those who prefer the tank controls for some reason) will claim that the experience is far more tense with more limited controls, I feel that it makes more sense to give players the same freedom of movement found in other series and compensating with better enemy A.I.

If enemy A.I. doesn't involve with player control, then yeah, you're gonna have a pretty dull experience on your hands. (This is why I don't like Super Castlevania IV.) As others have mentioned, as long as enemies evolve along with player control, the division between genres doesn't need to be defined by controls as it once was.

 

[AuthenticM]

In my opinion, REmake is still, to this day, the benchmark on how to properly remake a game.

 

[badcrumble]

Anyone who ranks Code: Veronica over RE3 has a fucking broken brain.

 

[Yoshichan]

Anyone who ranks Code: Veronica over RE3 has a fucking broken brain.

Funny, I think the complete opposite. RE3 was garbage. Like, really garbage.

 

[Tim-E]

Anyone who ranks Code: Veronica over RE3 has a fucking broken brain.

Code: Veronica is a much better and much more interesting game than RE3 is.

 

[randomwab]

Funny, I think the complete opposite. RE3 was garbage. Like, really garbage.

Just out of interest, why do you dislike it so much?

Truthfully, I hate CV as much as it sounds like you dislike RE3. Probably more so. I fucking loath Code Veronica. Replaying the HD rerelease was wonderful 'cause it reminded me of just why I hated it.

 

[Tadale]

Enjoyed you on 8-4, cvxfreak, though you should have defended Zero a little more. That game's not that bad!

Edit: To toss my two cents in on the RE3 debate - it may be my favorite classic RE, almost solely from the pure fear I felt being chased by Nemesis.

 

[plagiarize]

i'm pretty bemused at all the RE3 hate. i thought we'd seen past CVXs shiny graphics and come to realise that RE3 has, if anything, dated less. there's just so much more to 3 imho. it's scarier, the controls are better, the environments are some of the best...

you can actually walk up stairs without pressing a button! Jill actually has a half decent turning animation!

did we forget all of those things again?

 

[Yoshichan]

Just out of interest, why do you dislike it so much?.

I think a huge part of my hatred towards RE3 is because I dislike the actual Nemesis and the fact that it should've never been called RE3 from start. Also it's much, much more action-heavy. And it also came directly after RE2, which was perfection and I such high hopes for RE3 that it turned out much worse than I had expected. And those shitty side-characters which should've never entered the Biohazard-plot from start. And Jill is butt fucking ugly in this. Oh and no Wesker.

Mercenaries was pretty cool though. Spent a lot of time in that mode.

 

[Mr_Zombie]

Story-wise, Jill and Barry's behavior... oh man, it bothered me even more than the original now that Capcom was actually trying to play their stupidity straight.

What Capcom did with the Jill-Barry relationship in REmake was just plain awful. Remember how in RE1 you had to prove that you believed Barry? How you had to wait for him to drop the second rope after the Yawn fight, how you had to convince him that you trust him enough that you even can wander around underground tunnels with him besides you? And how all those decisions affected whether or not Barry returned to help you dealing with Wesker or (with the underground tunnels dialouge) could resulted in Barry's death?

Well Capcom said "screw it" and instead put a simple "trust him? yes/no" question in a cut-scene that made no goddamn sense. Barry pointed his magnum at Jill, at fucking point blank; and (if you give him his weapon back when Lisa appears) Jill doesn't even question him. After the fight with Lisa both of them act as if nothing happened. I mean, what the fuck? Why did they change that perfect system from the original RE1 and turned that into the stupidity in REmake?

Code Veronica is a shit Resident Evil because of these lot -

Nu-uh, Alfred is brilliant. I mean c'mon, how can you hate a man with that crazy laugh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sB2f4uBKGA

Peter Oldring did amazing work with the voice.

Although I agree that what they did with Wesker was awful. This was the point where the series jumped the shark. Reviving Wesker and giving him super powers was the stupidest thing they could have done with the series.

 

[badcrumble]

Bringing Wesker back was a huge mistake for the series, though. It was much better when it was about Umbrella instead of a generic monologuing villain.

 

[Yoshichan]

Bringing Wesker back was a huge mistake for the series, though. It was much better when it was about Umbrella instead of a generic monologuing villain.

I'd probably agree with you. But then I'd just remember when he chokes Claire. Best RE moment, scene and direction, like ever.

 

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