Resistance graphics now > E3 demo. (This is the thread of the month. Click this)
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firefoxsux
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kaching said:
data makes for games right?
ok no derail but i must make clear in this topic is not my br debate. it is finish imo.
i just post a reminder because i think is old like ps3 giant crabs 599$ world sales % etc.
i have no choice to extend the debate because i have got misunderstood for what they thought i said but i did not say it. never trivalize bd never damage control.
now me ol' chap is off to tea break and biscuits. chow gentlemen.
forgeforsaken
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Audio can be compressed at over 10 to 1, mp3s are about 12 to 1 I think. So it all depends on what the data is and if it's compressed or not.kaching said:
As to damage control, the linked MTV article has this quote
which sounds a lot like PR push spin as it's not even Blu-Ray v. DVD but rather Blu-Ray v. HD DVD. Are there xbox/sony fans doing their own spin of the news, sure, but that oginal quote is also definately Sony PR.
mckmas8808
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Doom_Bringer said:
It was a joke. Look at his tag.
monkeymagic
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forgeforsaken said:
I'll take 5.1 LPCM over MP3 or DD/DTS.
forgeforsaken
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Ajax said:
I don't know, why do they feel that need? They're the ones that brought up HD DVD not me.
Ajax said:
I didn't say it did or didn't need the space. I said there is a difference between using the space and needing the space, we won't know which Resistance falls into until we see what the game data is.
velvet_nitemare
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Ajax said:
Oblivion...
velvet_nitemare said:
Oblivion what? Anybody can make a DVD9 game that emulates the amplitude of the entire earth if he uses the same models and textures over and over again in the game. Problem isn't the amplitude of the games but the variety of enviroments and number of different models/textures/audio files.
i'm not going to pretend to be a developer. I don't know all the ins and outs of compression, but i'll tell you this, there are quite a few titles shipping on DVDs this holiday that impress me more than the "22gb" Resistance that "requires" Blu Ray. So that leads me to believe that Blu Ray isn't a factor in making a great game or a great looking game.Ajax said:
velvet_nitemare
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Ajax said:
fix your goddamn sarcasm detection apparatus
SolidSnakex
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velvet_nitemare said:
You never know when people bring up Oblivion in threads like this.
forgeforsaken said:
It's not a matter of needing the space. The extra space is there and at least one developer is using it to their benefit, it completely destroys the argument that no game will ever use that much space because at least one game is using 22GB which is ALOT. I wouldn't be surprised if other developers will have games that use more than the amount of space on a DVD9.
Well, that certainly clears things up! Why don't we just take the dev at face value that they need the space until you can actually prove otherwise.forgeforsaken said:
If you're trying to insinuate that they don't actually need the 22 gig of space because they're are using it as PR for the advantages of BD over HD-DVD, that's a circular argument. If the game does in fact legitimately use 22 gig of space, there's no reason why they shouldn't use that as PR to bolster their case for BD.
You know, I was originally thinking that Resistence looked pretty generic but after seeing that video it's starting to shape up nicer than I expected. The framerate looks solid (is it 60fps or 30? It's hard to tell when the video quality blows) and there are a couple of neat nauces (like shaking guys off you) that will change the experience just enough to make it worth a play through. Plus the setting (alternate reality set just after WWII) is kind of cool.
Also the fact that they are using 22GB, at this point in time, means next to nothing as it could be an hour's worth of HD/1080p CG or Making-Of footage. We won't know until it ships (although pre-rendered cinematics will be a HUGE turn-off for me... I've said it before and I'll say it again, I hate those bloody things - take me right out of the experience and kill the immersion).
Is that build locked at 30fps? If anything Resistence is at least doing that right... I know they originally said 60, but for some reason I think they took it down a notch (or 30).
Also the fact that they are using 22GB, at this point in time, means next to nothing as it could be an hour's worth of HD/1080p CG or Making-Of footage. We won't know until it ships (although pre-rendered cinematics will be a HUGE turn-off for me... I've said it before and I'll say it again, I hate those bloody things - take me right out of the experience and kill the immersion).
CliffyB said:You know I'm reading this shit while waiting on a new build.
Is that build locked at 30fps? If anything Resistence is at least doing that right... I know they originally said 60, but for some reason I think they took it down a notch (or 30).
velvet_nitemare
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Ajax said:
point taken...
and what happens when MGS4,GT5,FFXIII and DMC4 are above 9GB?will great games finally need them or will the japanese still suck at compression techs?
velvet_nitemare
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Ajax said:
for it to be heavily compressed and still be 22gigs would be something else methinks
This thread can no longer be considered the thread of the month.
This 22gb Resistance news should have been its own thread. Oh, and funny that Cliffy showed up. Surely his team more than many others could have used the extra space that BluRay could have provided.
Maybe he will tell us if they experienced any difficulties in fitting GoW on a DVD9?
Cliff?
This 22gb Resistance news should have been its own thread. Oh, and funny that Cliffy showed up. Surely his team more than many others could have used the extra space that BluRay could have provided.
Maybe he will tell us if they experienced any difficulties in fitting GoW on a DVD9?
Cliff?
velvet_nitemare
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ummm...maybe you don't understand what i'm saying?
And Sony PS3 launch games are going to suck. J/k:lol hey cliff put gears of war 2 on ps3Will he then be able to tell us how a different game from a different dev that he hasn't seen in anywhere near complete form would also be able to fit on a DVD9?snatches said:
That's a hell of a thing to put Cliffy on the spot about. Let's stick to trying to get him to make a GoW demo for the XBL Marketplace
what the hell? I replied w/ a disclaimer and then made a point.Ajax said:
You sidestep my point and reply to my disclaimer...again
(disclaimer) I don't have a ****ing clue how development works, and i never assumed anything. I don't have a clue what's on the disc.
(point) I'm just saying that whatever is taking up that space isn't making the game look any better than other titles releasing on DVDs this holiday.
BenjaminBirdie
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kaching said:Will he then be able to tell us how a different game from a different dev that he hasn't seen in anywhere near complete form would also be able to fit on a DVD9?
That's a hell of a thing to put Cliffy on the spot about. Let's stick to trying to get him to make a GoW demo for the XBL Marketplace
I doubt either one of them is going to happen. Let the man read his GAF in peace!
velvet_nitemare said:
Well they could have everything compressed except the audio. Or have the audio compressed and don't have a very good compression for the the textures. Or just have a shitload of content in the game. Thing is we don't know and certain xbox fans are desperate to show that BD isn't necessary for the game.
But considering that 22GB are 15GB more than it could fit in a 360 DVD9 disc I have to admit that they have to be using some very very very bad compression techniques if -like xbox fans imply- they could fit the game into a DVD9.
acousticvan
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Some people just become insane by saying DVD9 is better than Bluray because of compression.
First, we don't know if the content on Bluray disc has some kinds of compression or not.
Second, if the compression is the way to go then they can have compression on Bluray because the technology is cheap and easy.
Third, some of the developers (such as Itagaki) raise concerns about the space available in DVD9 even though they support compression.
Last but not least, why more space is bad?
Stop being stupid, people.
First, we don't know if the content on Bluray disc has some kinds of compression or not.
Second, if the compression is the way to go then they can have compression on Bluray because the technology is cheap and easy.
Third, some of the developers (such as Itagaki) raise concerns about the space available in DVD9 even though they support compression.
Last but not least, why more space is bad?
Stop being stupid, people.
mckmas8808
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REV 09 said:
Mulitiple spoken languages on one disc. Think what if Obvilion was shipped with 5 different languages on one disc like English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian? Wouldn't that put Oblivion over 7.5 GBs?
BenjaminBirdie
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acousticvan said:
I don't think anyone is saying one format is better than the other. (Is there?) I don't think anyone is saying more space is bad. (Is there?) I think people are just saying that one system isn't preternaturally doomed because of this issue. An approach which some people do seem to propogate.
Anyway, as more and more good news and media starts to arrive for the PS3 (this stuff seems to be the first shot across the bow) here's hoping we can all just settle down and enjoy the Yaoi photoshops.
MidgarBlowedUp
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Surreal said:
And with enough of the right input devices/hardware it would make for a really sweet multi-track recording system.
Floating Point Hardware FTW.
BenjaminBirdie
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Ajax said:
Well, what's the point of arguing that? It's not like either of them are going to go away.
acousticvan said:
The real arguement has always been been whether or not the extra space is worth the extra cost. I don't think it is, but no doubt extra space is always nice to have regardless of transfer rate.
The other part of the arguement was just how big a difference (if any) might we see in terms of gameplay experience. Again, I don't think we will...audio, video, textures, etc may be compressed, but the experience will be the same except for the one or two games that might require switching disks. Either way, it always goes back to cost and whether or not you like having it.
Wait the company that bought some of the best gaming ever is being questioned? 22gigs means that we can go from compressed to pure uncompressed digital over HDMI. No more crushed textures and wait until you see this game on a HD set. Also yo ucan go from 5.1 to 8.1 if you have the setup. We are gamers not analyst so I hope. Get with the program and be damn gald tech has come along to give us this. Lair at 1080p is going to close down some shops.
3rdman said:
It's not just compressed audio, they can have more voice tracks so you don't constantly hear the same lines repeated over and over again, when bullets hit various materials it will sound different, it all goes back to the level of immersion, whether you personally acknowledge the difference or not, there will be a difference.
hukasmokincaterpillar
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3rdman said:
I assume you're referring to multi-platform games? I wouldn't expect having to develop for the lowest common denominator to fully leverage BR's capacity. But I think its too early to assume the studios able to target the platform wont reap some substantial benefits either. Beyond sheer variety and amount of data, Im interested to see if things like redundancy and different disc streaming schemes could have some positive developments down the line.
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