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Retro AV Club Thread 2: Classic Gaming Done Right!

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Mega

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Friend of Sonic said:
I have the PVM 20l5 which does 31khz. But then I read somewhere that the picture can have problems-- do you think that's true?
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What problems? 20L5 does both 15 and 30. You could also try running Windows at 480p (if at all possible without the low-res-supporting driver and video card). Then use a scanline overlay to essentially create a 240p picture. I haven't done this myself but I've seen someone else do it with a VGA monitor and it looked great.

I would try the Emudriver method. Google the instructions and buy a supported video card (it'll be an old and really cheap card).
 
gingerbeardman

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Took my two faulty PVM to the local old TV repair guy. Let's see what he says. I think they're both just bad capacitors, but he'll be able to find out more.
 
Kawika

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gingerbeardman said:
Took my two faulty PVM to the local old TV repair guy. Let's see what he says. I think they're both just bad capacitors, but he'll be able to find out more.
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Where do you live? If you live near Southern California there are actual PVM repair techs still in the wild. PM if you are and I can give you the number for the guy that I use. The guy typically charges about $150 to fix, recap (if required), calibrate and recharge the crt if possible.
 
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Peltz

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Kawika said:
Where do you live? If you live near Southern California there are actual PVM repair techs still in the wild. PM if you are and I can give you the number for the guy that I use. The guy typically charges about $150 to fix, recap (if required), calibrate and recharge the crt if possible.
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Wow. It's amazing that those services are still available.

Shin Johnpv said:
Behar Bros officially announced the Akura DC HDMI Box

No word on pricing yet but pre-orders should start mid-January.

https://youtu.be/C1TfWrrlgJc

https://www.flickr.com/photos/48137857@N06/31662305045/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/48137857@N06/31662304125/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/48137857@N06/31516146212/
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Amazing stuff. This will definitely have better image quality than the Toro + Framemeister combo.

It took a long ass time, but the Dreamcast to HDMI scene is finally good this year now that devices like this and the OSSC exist. After VGA started dying off HDTV's, getting good IQ from a Dreamcast was like being in the dark ages for the last 7 years or so.

I'll likely still prefer playing DC on my PVM with a SCART cable (even at 480i), but I'm still probably going to pick this box up just out of principle and to future-proof one of my favorite systems. I'm curious as to how it will handle something that is 240p native like Bangai-O though.
 
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dubc35

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Peltz said:
Wow. It's amazing that those services are still available
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Available...in Southern California (land of the movie/TV industry where these where these were used back in the day).

Whenever I'm visiting the in laws down there I check out craigslist. Several on there now. A 14L5 listed as barely used that comes CIB, wow!

Ok, so who is this? You're probably in here.
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Mega

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Feel like I've seen that picture before. Is that someone on shmups? Maybe the listing is just borrowing the photo.
 
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theSlacker

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Mega said:
Feel like I've seen that picture before. Is that someone on shmups? Maybe the listing is just borrowing the photo.
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Yeah I thought the same thing. I feel like I have felt jelly from seeing the same thing before, but really any picture with any of those monitors in good condition would do it for me.
 
bodine1231

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Ok I just got my SNES csync cables in for my RGB SNES Mini from retro console accessories on eBay and some weird shit is happening with it and my Framemeister. Every 10-15 sec the screen will hitch and the picture will split into different colors for a milisecond and appear back to normal.

I'm thinking it has to be a Sync setting on the Framemeister because it doesn't do this on my PVM. I've tried messing with different sync settings on the XRGB but can't get it to go away.

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Brhoom

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The Switch might have VR thread got me thinknig:

Can the screen be 2560×1440 and have the games be 720 with an integer scale of x2?

Would that even work?
 
Hawk269

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televator

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So it's a stand alone analog to digital converter for the DC. Wonder how it will compare to the OSSC. BTW, does the OSSC properly handle the DC's 720x480 frame?
 
bodine1231

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Looks like I've nailed it down to being the "game mode" on my KS8000 TV causing the problem that I pictured. There was a firmware update released today and I think it screwed something up. I played through a whole level in Mario World without getting the flicker,when I enabled game mode and played it again I got the flicker multiple times.

Problem is,playing without game mode is impossible,the lag is very very noticeable.

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televator

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Peltz said:
Framemeister is a slightly overpriced in my humble opinion.
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I don't think it is at all. It's a niche device being sold to a niche group of people within an already niche broader AV enthusiast sector, when comparable scaler devices that appeal to the broader sector tend to cost double what the FM costs. The FM includes more hardware and thus supports more complex features. The FM has been priced reasonably considering all factors and so is the OSSC.
 
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Shin Johnpv

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televator said:
I don't think it is at all. It's a niche device being sold to a niche group of people within an already niche broader AV enthusiast sector, when comparable scaler devices that appeal to the broader sector tend to cost double what the FM costs. The FM includes more hardware and thus supports more complex features. The FM has been priced reasonably considering all factors and so is the OSSC.
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Yeah I would fully agree with this. Specially when you factor in things like how many more inputs the FM handles, and that it does audio over HDMI, it's really not over priced at all. Once I actually got my FM I realized it was worth way more than I had paid for it.
 
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Man, I am just going to have to order a FM. I use a PVM and have no retro setup on my plasma TV in the living room whatsoever, but ... I might someday and I think I will regret not getting this device that is the best ever made for this purpose once it's no longer in production. And I guess if I never use it, it will always be in demand by this audience and thus always have resale value. Just tough to justify spending that money right after Xmas on something that I really won't be using right away ... ugh.
 
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PumpkinSpice

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RadarScope1 said:
Man, I am just going to have to order a FM. I use a PVM and have no retro setup on my plasma TV in the living room whatsoever, but ... I might someday and I think I will regret not getting this device that is the best ever made for this purpose once it's no longer in production. And I guess if I never use it, it will always be in demand by this audience and thus always have resale value. Just tough to justify spending that money right after Xmas on something that I really won't be using right away ... ugh.
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If you don't plan on using it right away, wait until the next XRGB is comes out.

I think long run the resale price of the FM is going to be upper bounded by the OSSC price (or less once chinese clones come out) plus whatever premium is associated with it, and then also the price of it's successor. It's not going to be crazy expensive.
 
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cyborgnumberblue

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RadarScope1 said:
Man, I am just going to have to order a FM. I use a PVM and have no retro setup on my plasma TV in the living room whatsoever, but ... I might someday and I think I will regret not getting this device that is the best ever made for this purpose once it's no longer in production. And I guess if I never use it, it will always be in demand by this audience and thus always have resale value. Just tough to justify spending that money right after Xmas on something that I really won't be using right away ... ugh.
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Well, at this point doesn't it make sense for the next iteration that Micomsoft makes?
 
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SheepyGuy said:
If you don't plan on using it right away, wait until the next XRGB is comes out.

I think long run the resale price of the FM is going to be upper bounded by the OSSC price once chinese clones come out plus whatever premium is associated with it, and then also the price of it's successor. It's not going to be crazy expensive.
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cyborgnumberblue said:
Well, at this point doesn't it make sense for the next iteration that Micomsoft makes?
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Well, I agree it would make sense to wait, but ... for what? Are we sure they're working on it? Aren't we just assuming? What if it's somehow not quite as good? OSSC is great, too, but it sounds like it's best for monitors right now. I will probably end up waiting just because I can't sink the money into it right now after the holidays. If I had the money I would probably pull the trigger, though.
 
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mattynunchucks

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Shin Johnpv said:
Yeah I would fully agree with this. Specially when you factor in things like how many more inputs the FM handles, and that it does audio over HDMI, it's really not over priced at all. Once I actually got my FM I realized it was worth way more than I had paid for it.
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I thought I was foolish when I ordered my framemeister, but the moment I hooked up my SNES (From 1991, so basically a launch unit, i.e. looks good, but not anything spectacular) and followed a guide to getting it just right I felt like I got away with something for only spending what I paid for the FM. I then saw my roommate playing Genesis using composite and was trying to figure out how I played games like that for so long.
 
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Psxdad

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televator said:
I don't think it is at all. It's a niche device being sold to a niche group of people within an already niche broader AV enthusiast sector, when comparable scaler devices that appeal to the broader sector tend to cost double what the FM costs. The FM includes more hardware and thus supports more complex features. The FM has been priced reasonably considering all factors and so is the OSSC.
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My concern is I have the KS8000 in my game room. It only has HDMI inputs and no 3.5mm jack. Is the framemeister my only option or does the OSSC support digital audio? Or is there another option to get audio into my TV if it doesn't ?
 
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mattynunchucks said:
I thought I was foolish when I ordered my framemeister, but the moment I hooked up my SNES (From 1991, so basically a launch unit, i.e. looks good, but not anything spectacular) and followed a guide to getting it just right I felt like I got away with something for only spending what I paid for the FM. I then saw my roommate playing Genesis using composite and was trying to figure out how I played games like that for so long.
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Eh, the Genny is a special case with it's shit tier composite output. SNES composite really isn't that bad
 
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Psxdad said:
My concern is I have the KS8000 in my game room. It only has HDMI inputs and no 3.5mm jack. Is the framemeister my only option or does the OSSC support digital audio? Or is there another option to get audio into my TV if it doesn't ?
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I believe they are working on a daughter board to allow audio over HDMI with the OSSC, but no idea on when that will be available or how much.

Do you have a receiver? You could send the video to the tv and the audio to the receiver.
 
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cyborgnumberblue

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Psxdad said:
My concern is I have the KS8000 in my game room. It only has HDMI inputs and no 3.5mm jack. Is the framemeister my only option or does the OSSC support digital audio? Or is there another option to get audio into my TV if it doesn't ?
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I've had no luck getting video to display on my KS8000 via the OSSC, but never really expected to.
 
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Chinner

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BVM is on its last legs. Need help.

Recently the blue on the unit has become really messed up. I removed the cover panel and I notified the screw thet is used to operate its levels have been undone.

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Would soldering back to board make it work againn? If not, well, I guess it's out.
 
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PumpkinSpice

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Chinner said:
BVM is on its last legs. Need help.

Recently the blue on the unit has become really messed up. I removed the cover panel and I notified the screw thet is used to operate its levels have been undone.



Would soldering back to board make it work ahakn? If not, well, I guess it's out.
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Yeah that would probably help. You might need to use wires to attach that back on unless you have a way to solder reflow.

How did that even happen?
 
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Chinner

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SheepyGuy said:
Yeah that would probably help. You might need to use wires to attach that back on unless you have a way to solder reflow.

How did that even happen?
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It's my fault. I was trying to adjust the levels, and it just went. Was trying to be be delicate too. Pretty annoying.

Some of the other switches have always been unresponsive too, like brightness but not enough to impact the experience.

I'll have a think. It'd be a shame to get rid of it and PVM/BVM units are so rare around here. Maybe a local TV repairman could save it. Otherwise, may just get a normal consumer level CRT. I live in the UK so scart is everywhere at least.
 
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Hey crt users. I'm on the lookout for a new crt, and my area has pretty lousy selection in cl and thrift shops. I'm just wondering, what are some consumer lines/models that are well regarded?
I know someone who wants to get rid of his. Did some reasearch and it kind of looks like a Panasonic Gaoo. Are those any good?
 
IrishNinja

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Pizarro said:
Hey crt users. I'm on the lookout for a new crt, and my area has pretty lousy selection in cl and thrift shops. I'm just wondering, what are some consumer lines/models that are well regarded?
I know someone who wants to get rid of his. Did some reasearch and it kind of looks like a Panasonic Gaoo. Are those any good?
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can't speak on the Gaoo, but having found a late model trinotron with component (makes RGB much easier), i'm never going back! colors look fantastic.
 
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Khaz

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Yep, inputs are more important than the brand. Find a good looking SD CRT with Component and you'll have access to greatness with a cheap encoder box.
 
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Peltz

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Pizarro said:
Hey crt users. I'm on the lookout for a new crt, and my area has pretty lousy selection in cl and thrift shops. I'm just wondering, what are some consumer lines/models that are well regarded?
I know someone who wants to get rid of his. Did some reasearch and it kind of looks like a Panasonic Gaoo. Are those any good?
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As others mentioned, it's not so much the brand or line of CRTs that you need to worry about. It's more important to see if it has component and/or SCART (or at the very least, S-Video) and that it is in good condition without any really bad geometry issues.
 
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bodine1231 said:
Looks like I've nailed it down to being the "game mode" on my KS8000 TV causing the problem that I pictured. There was a firmware update released today and I think it screwed something up. I played through a whole level in Mario World without getting the flicker,when I enabled game mode and played it again I got the flicker multiple times.

Problem is,playing without game mode is impossible,the lag is very very noticeable.
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This worries me. I have a UK Samsung 8000 (US 9000) and I'm close to pulling the trigger on Framemeister.

I have PS2/GC/Wii/Xbox/Megadrive/Master System/N64 - Presumably Framemeister is my best option if I want to play on the Sammy?
 
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CrashPrime

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Has anyone has done testing on a CRT with the Wii port of RetroArch?

CRT + 240p on the Wii seem like the best case scenario for the lowest theoretical inputlag results (hopefully better than KMS and Win10) without being a full FPGA situation on a modern TV or original hardware on a CRT.

It seems like an inexpensive alternative vs. going for a full cable package + original hardware + xrgb-mini + everdrives/original software.

In fact, I was thinking of writing a guide for the whole process, but if input lag is awful there is no point.
 
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Chinner

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What's the situation with Framemeisters at the moment? Considering getting one... Is there another wave before they're discontinued?
 
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Peltz

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CrashPrime said:
Has anyone has done testing on a CRT with the Wii port of RetroArch?

CRT + 240p on the Wii seem like the best case scenario for the lowest theoretical inputlag results (hopefully better than KMS and Win10) without being a full FPGA situation on a modern TV or original hardware on a CRT.
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I have not done this personally, but I've heard nothing but good things.
 
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