Fighting games, shoot em ups, first person shooters, platformers, rhythm games, racing games. I need it the lag to be as low as possible!
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Retro AV Club Thread 2: Classic Gaming Done Right!
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linko9
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Any action-based game really. 2d games with platforming especially. Super Metroid, SMW, Megaman games; play these a bunch and you will very soon be able to notice 1 or 2 frame of input delay.
socksfelloff
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GAF I come back to you from a longggg ban and I bring you some 240Porn! While I was gone I finally acquired a FV310!
my number came up! ordered OSSC today
Same here!
YesManKablam
Member
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, it is the cable itself. It turns out that while going Displayport -> DVI is perfectly fine, DVI -> Displayport is a no go in general.
socksfelloff
Member
Good to know! Thanks for the follow up.
I've made a thread over on shmups with a bunch of impressions of cheap component to VGA/Hdmi transcoders. This was my latest purchase, the Wiistar YPBPR to HDMI.
Wiistar YPBPR to HDMI
-USB powered
-£16/$20
Good picture but unfortunately has black crush. Didn't test with the problematic Wii signal to check sync.
Mayflash comparison, you can see detail being lost:
Wiistar YPBPR to HDMI
-USB powered
-£16/$20
Good picture but unfortunately has black crush. Didn't test with the problematic Wii signal to check sync.
Mayflash comparison, you can see detail being lost:
That's a shame, really.I've made a thread over on shmups with a bunch of impressions of cheap component to VGA/Hdmi transcoders. This was my latest purchase, the Wiistar YPBPR to HDMI.
Wiistar YPBPR to HDMI
-USB powered
-£16/$20
Good picture but unfortunately has black crush. Didn't test with the problematic Wii signal to check sync.
Mayflash comparison, you can see detail being lost:
I have sent it back and got a refund so not a problem thankfully!
davidwhangchoi
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I've seen Timu's 1CC vids, he's pretty damn good at some of those hard games, I figure he would be sensitive to lag. I used to be petty local champ at Street fighter II CE at my local arcade. I didn't know about lag till I tried one of those 60 in 1 coin up emulator recently. Really frustrating. After that, I started to appreciate Original hardware and stuff about less lag.
I can play with 16-32ms of lag, but I don't enjoy it as much. Especially in a game like Super Mario Bros where the controls feel so good with a CRT. Input lag destroys the beauty of that game.
my number came up! ordered OSSC today
+1 just pulled the trigger, probably didn't need it but playing with new toys is way too much fun. I actually let my first chance lapse but they emailed me a week ago with another invitation.
YesManKablam
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I got my email on Wednesday, had the unit on Thursday.
Don't have a proper DVI to HDMI adapter though, so I can't comment on how nice it is.
YesManKablam
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I believe there's a hacked version of a an old AMD video card that allows you to do that, and I believe that someone here has one. I don't think it's possible on a laptop however.
Yes, I'm very sensitive to lag a lot, there's no way I can play Contra with lag. Less is always better.
BTW I'll be getting a new 1CC run up in a few days, it's one of those World Heroes games.
Yeah that feeling in NES Remix when you can't do the flawless series of brick smashes, pjumps and hops in stage 1-1... sucks.
Zanac with 40ms lag on HDTV/Hi-Def NES? Whatever amount of lag my Android handheld had (60-100ms)? was enough to make me get repeat Game Overs. Sat at the CRT with NESRGB Fami, no problem beating it on the first try. That roughly 0ms lag makes a huge difference sometimes... although I think around 20 would've been doable too.
I thought to post/ask this here, since it's kinda AV related, even if not strictly to the usual hardware.
Basically, I had the chance to play with a New Nintendo 3DS XL - top screen IPS, touch screen TN - and try a few SEGA 3D Classics on it. After spending some time with 3D Galaxy Force II, I noticed the very same thing that happened on my IPS LG monitor, after using bob-deinterlaced 480i Saturn/PS2 games on it (it's all explained here)... The very same temporary burn-in and 'after-flicker' effect, on the 3DS as well.
Specifically with Galaxy Force, the parts that caused image retention/after-flicker were those around the hud, such as the spaceship silhouette underneath 'SHIELD', which flickers constantly, during gameplay.
I just thought to drop this here and see if any of you can try and replicate the experience. Along with a couple of guys at the SHMUPS forums, I'm trying to figure out whether or not this very weird phenomenon is only due to the screen being IPS, or if there are other factors involved (PC monitors offer a plethora of options to fiddle around with, but the 3DS is pretty much a simple 'ON/OFF' kind of thing).
All that said, I played 3D Galaxy Force II for around 10 minutes - the game was set to easy, and I beat 3/4 stages, before quitting - with default screen settings, on a European New Nintendo 3DS XL with an IPS top screen and the 3D slider cranked up to the max.
Basically, I had the chance to play with a New Nintendo 3DS XL - top screen IPS, touch screen TN - and try a few SEGA 3D Classics on it. After spending some time with 3D Galaxy Force II, I noticed the very same thing that happened on my IPS LG monitor, after using bob-deinterlaced 480i Saturn/PS2 games on it (it's all explained here)... The very same temporary burn-in and 'after-flicker' effect, on the 3DS as well.
Specifically with Galaxy Force, the parts that caused image retention/after-flicker were those around the hud, such as the spaceship silhouette underneath 'SHIELD', which flickers constantly, during gameplay.
I just thought to drop this here and see if any of you can try and replicate the experience. Along with a couple of guys at the SHMUPS forums, I'm trying to figure out whether or not this very weird phenomenon is only due to the screen being IPS, or if there are other factors involved (PC monitors offer a plethora of options to fiddle around with, but the 3DS is pretty much a simple 'ON/OFF' kind of thing).
All that said, I played 3D Galaxy Force II for around 10 minutes - the game was set to easy, and I beat 3/4 stages, before quitting - with default screen settings, on a European New Nintendo 3DS XL with an IPS top screen and the 3D slider cranked up to the max.
davidwhangchoi
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^it looks Boss =)
sixteen-bit
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So clean and no-nonsense. I dig it.
YesManKablam
Member
That's just erotic
DracoBlade
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I did it. After repping a component trinitron for years, I upgraded to a PVM (for 50$!). It's an 8" PVM-8045Q which is good for me (I hope) size wise since I'll be only four feet away max with my gaming setup. Anyone have tips or impressions of this specific model? Couldn't find too much on this model in terms of reception as most go the BVM or larger 13' route. How do you guys feel about the 8' and smaller PVMs?
Will take pics (or try) when it arrives lol.
Will take pics (or try) when it arrives lol.
polyh3dron
Banned
I bet those Solaris cables are way better than the noisy cable I got from retro_gaming_accessories.. Got a NES/SNES SCART cable from there and any time the screen is white I get crazy buzzing.
I own one. It's far too small and uncomfortable for regular gaming. Four feet is actually pretty far for a small CRT. I sit no further than 3 feet away, while using 13, 17 and 19 inch CRTs. That feels perfect, not too close at all.
I've got cables from all the big dealers. Never really had any problem from any of them...even the U.K. Based one. I'm pretty surprised at the quality and presentation of these cables, though. Hooing they are good!
PumpkinSpice
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I'm not sure if it's NES specific but the recommendation from NESRGB creator Tim Worthington is to just have audio and video on separate wires, otherwise they couple and you get that buzz. If you don't have them on separate wires you'd need fully shielded cables which are more expensive.
davidwhangchoi
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i'm getting a (edit: small hum when i pause Zanac) using the snes scart cable for the RGB nes. maybe i need to do this.
i'm going to test other games to be sure first, it could be just Zanac.
DracoBlade
Member
Hmm I've been watching some demos and it seems good enough for me personally (granted I'm blind in one eye so I need to naturally be close to monitors). I guarantee I'll want a larger one in the future though, couldn't pass this up for the price!
sixteen-bit
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I was always curious about incorporating a 9 inch pvm into my desktop setup, but I'm afraid it would be too small.
I feel like 20' is the sweet spot for gaming, you can sit a few meters away on a comfy couch with friends and still see everything on the screen.
I actually don't like gaming retro games on my 40' HDTV (tried it sometimes) on my current gaming distances anyway. There's just some limits on how big Mario sprite should be.
I actually don't like gaming retro games on my 40' HDTV (tried it sometimes) on my current gaming distances anyway. There's just some limits on how big Mario sprite should be.
YesManKablam
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Apologies for the low quality shot, but I bought a DVI-HDMI adapter so I could use my OSSC. So here's SMT 1 on the PS1.
this shit looks gggggoooooooddddd
It looks gorgeous. It's with upscalers like that that you fully realize what workarounds devs used to deal with color limitations. Just look at how sharp those checkboard colors are.
the androgyne
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It does look good, but check this out. When i was deciding where to buy my cables, I found 3A Company, or rather their store on Rakuten Japan. They appear to be a big wholesaler and/or manufacturer... Here's their packaging:
Maybe Solaris has a deal on these cables and have rebranded them as their own? But then, Solaris sells those things for Y3690 while 3A company sells them for double, suggesting the opposite! http://item.rakuten.co.jp/3aonlinestore/3a-rgb21-ss-20p/
Does make me wonder about the legitimacy of Solaris' story though:
In the end i found a guy on Yahoo auctions who makes his own at cheaper price than either
socksfelloff
Member
Is he certain his scart cable is actually using RGBs? If so I'd try adjusting the sharpness to start.
It's also entirely possible he's been spoiled by modern displays and has forgotten that consumer CRTs were never all that crisp especially when it came to text.
MattyH
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he said he tried the sharpness im gonna hopefully get over there and take a look my self pretty soon
It does look good, but check this out. When i was deciding where to buy my cables, I found 3A Company, or rather their store on Rakuten Japan. They appear to be a big wholesaler and/or manufacturer... Here's their packaging:
Maybe Solaris has a deal on these cables and have rebranded them as their own? But then, Solaris sells those things for Y3690 while 3A company sells them for double, suggesting the opposite! http://item.rakuten.co.jp/3aonlinestore/3a-rgb21-ss-20p/
Does make me wonder about the legitimacy of Solaris' story though:
In the end i found a guy on Yahoo auctions who makes his own at cheaper price than either
Ha, interesting. To me all my cables seem to work fine. I tacked on this one from Solaris because it was a combo with a couple Selectys I was ordering from them and figured I would try it out. But in the mean time I have been using an official SVH-010 for my Super Fami I bought instead. I'll report back next week after my brother sends all my stuff to me. Using the 19" PVM currently. The official cable has been pretty stellar. Fwiw, I'm not sensitive to image really...seen no real difference from any of the providers...the chick on eBay, the one from the U.K. shop, or the official. Expecting similar. My BNC is my breakout for my audio.
polyh3dron
Banned
Using a SCART RGB cable coming from a console that outputs true RGB?
MattyH
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PS2 original xbox and dreamcast so far i believe
cyborgnumberblue
Member
Do those Solaris cables work with Model 2 Saturns, or only Model 1s?
Can't see any specific info regarding this on their website.
Can't see any specific info regarding this on their website.
Can someone recommend me a good but fairly priced male to male RGB Scart cable? A US based vendor is preferred. On eBay I'm not familiar with most of the sellers and the vast majority look cheap. On the other hand, Retrogamingcables has a good looking cable (gold plated etc, but no idea if it's actually good) for £23.99, which seems a bit much for what should be a real common cable over in Europe.
socksfelloff
Member
Oh so he's viewing 480i interlaced content. 480i looks like blurry booty butt cheeks expecially if it's coming from a ps2.
Shadow Hog
Member
As far as I know there's no difference.
polyh3dron
Banned
what's the best service to get a N64 modded for RGB?
retrofixes, got my N64 RGB modded from them for 60 some bucks.
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