Returning member after a long absence, how would you rate the overall health of this forum?

This is what my ignore list looks like



Why? Because I'm actually interested in debate.

You on the other hand won't debate. You resort to ad hominem and when that fails, cover your ears and hum loudly like a child. Which, as I said, is what has lead political discussion the world over to the dumpster fire that is currently is.

Being "Cathy Newman'd" is a term I literally just coined because, just like that train wreck interview with Jordan Peterson all you are doing is deliberately mis categorising an argument, being constantly corrected and now playing the victim card.

Bravo to you then for not having anyone on your ignore list but again .. I'm not you , and im not going to tolerate the behaviour of some users I'll rather just not see there post ever again. But hey you do you , don't force your method of account management down my throat because your getting bothered with how another human uses their free will.

Like really , not everything is politics and I'm not going to continue to listen to your micro insertions of what you think is going on. Don't like someone or what they preach block em I don't give a fuck why do you. You seem to care more about that then anything else.

Get over yourself
 
Your going off on a tangent because I blocked someone , I think you are very much triggered lol

I make a comment on the idea of using an ignore function and a follow up with the reason.

You immediately flip your shit.

Try again.

Being "Cathy Newman'd" is a term I literally just coined because, just like that train wreck interview with Jordan Peterson all you are doing is deliberately mis categorising an argument, being constantly corrected and now playing the victim card.

Self awareness, try it sometime.
 
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I make a comment on the idea of using an ignore function and a follow up with the reason.

You immediately flip your shit.

Try again.



Self awareness, try it sometime.

Who started this all stupid conversation because they felt offended and had their feeling hurt because I blocked someone . Not me that's you b.

Like is this really what you want to be getting into an internet argument over because I blocked someone .. isit really worth your time
 
Who started this all stupid conversation because they felt offended and had their feeling hurt because I blocked someone . Not me that's you b.

Makes comment on the existence of block functions >? feeling offended?

Are you seriously lacking the most basic levels of self awareness to completely miss the fact that you are getting Cathy Newman'd? Seriously, sit down for like 3 seconds and read your own posts.

Like is this really what you want to be getting into an internet argument over because I blocked someone .. isit really worth your time

Currently off work due to ankle surgery and simultaneously playing elite dangerous and listening to videos about the games news. But y'know, just spending all my time and energy on this conversation :rolleyes:
 
Makes comment on the existence of block functions >? feeling offended?

Are you seriously lacking the most basic levels of self awareness to completely miss the fact that you are getting Cathy Newman'd? Seriously, sit down for like 3 seconds and read your own posts.



Currently off work due to ankle surgery and simultaneously playing elite dangerous and listening to videos about the games news. But y'know, just spending all my time and energy on this conversation :rolleyes:

I have read my own post , the ignore feature is there for a reason if you don't want it being their then advocate for its removal it's not a big deal 1 user in a sea of thousands I doubt I will see much of a difference. Again the user I blocked I have no intentions of every conversing with them .. when eugenics and "Negroid Skulls" start getting out on show I don't really care who you are I'm done with you. Call it Cathy Newmaned or whatever you want but that shit does not sit well with me at all.

So I'll express my freedoms of choice and block it
 
when eugenics and "Negroid Skulls" start getting out on show I don't really care who you are I'm done with you.

The user in question had no advocacy of eugenics and are you really going to deny the basic science of different races having different bone and skull structures? Do you also deny the science on gender differences? Perhaps climate change? Or is it just selective science denial?
 
The user in question had no advocacy of eugenics and are you really going to deny the basic science of different races having different bone and skull structures? Do you also deny the science on gender differences? Perhaps climate change? Or is it just selective science denial?

Apples and oranges.. I'm not getting into that argument.

I've told you my reasons you don't have to like em but it's a reality that's happening user has been blocked and will stay blocked.
 
Can you two fellow users please redelegate this to a PM? Reading what is the equivalent of "you said a mean thing to me" in multiple posts is not worth the amount of text dedicated to it.

Please lets get back to our regularly schelduled roster.
 
OT is half of the site.
If you want to know the state of this forum, these posts are perfectly valid.

Claims have been made that the site is trending toward bigotry [perhaps incorrectly labeled as 'right-leaning' (though, again, it is typically a right-leaning focal-point) but the teams aren't really the issue], and these posts are clear evidence of that fact.

Before the exodus, this site was painfully-left. Reverting to tolerance of racism isn't the correct response, though. Posts like these prove how things that would ordinarily be laughed at are becoming normalized.
I've already posted various examples of discrimination in this thread (though I admit I initially used the word "racism" when I should have included more types of hatred) but these particular posts are about as good of an example as can be.


What I find more concerning about bigotry is that it also indicates how criticism should be made. If you are on the same boat yet have your own individual opinions and criticism, you are treated even worse than beeing on the opposite side.
Better voice your own opinion and learn from your mistakes,rather than follow an all knowing authority.
 
Did I really just spend a page reading one user brow beating another for using the ignore function? Good lord.

Wait, am I drive by shitposting now??
 
There's absolutely nothing wrong with using the ignore feature. It's not about winning or losing arguments, it's about filtering out nonsense you don't care to see. A lot of us are here for gaming discussion and just come to OT for movie/tv show threads and random fun threads. If someone is posting primarily heated, political rhetoric from either side they're going on ignore as I don't care to see that shit. I'm 40 this year, set in my views, politically active in real life and over arguing with randoms online. I'm not going to have my mind changed nor change any of these extremeists minds, so why bother?

Just make a politics/news sub forum already and let those people go to town all they want while the rest of us have fun discussing our hobbies. I'm giving this place another week as some better non-political discussions have been happening lately. But it needs to pick up or I'll take a break and check back in a few months.
 
Did I really just spend a page reading one user brow beating another for using the ignore function? Good lord.

Wait, am I drive by shitposting now??

browbeat
1. intimidate (someone), typically into doing something, with stern or abusive words.

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It's not about winning or losing arguments, it's about filtering out nonsense you don't care to see. A lot of us are here for gaming discussion and just come to OT for movie/tv show threads and random fun threads. If someone is posting primarily heated, political rhetoric from either side they're going on ignore as I don't care to see that shit.

Good for you, and any of that applies here.... how? (fun note: Remember being Apolitical in and of itself is being political :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:)

2 users having a discussion. One can't debate on any meaningful level. blocks replies from dissenting user. Claims is not interested in echochambers.
 
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I've been visiting this place -- by "this place" I mean the Gaming side specifically -- more often. Think the powers that be should keep extra vigilant to ensure this place's ground doesn't fall out beneath its feet by putting in extra effort to the gaming section. IMO, it comprises the underpinning of the community. Everything else flows naturally from it.
 
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I've been visiting this place -- by "this place" I mean the Gaming side specifically -- more often. Think the powers that be should keep extra vigilant to ensure this place's ground doesn't fall out beneath its feet by putting in extra effort to the gaming section. IMO, it comprises the underpinning of the community. Everything else flows naturally from it.

Agreed. I said earlier that the staff should probably put in some work posting gaming news, posting OTs for big new releases since the community is lagging a bit in doing those things. I'd relax the rules on OTs too (if they haven't already). There's probably not enough people here willing to make the fancy, image-heavy first post OTs as most of those people jumped ship. End of the day those first posts aren't all that important, it's having active threads to chat about new releases while playing them that's important and generates traffic.

It's kind of an "If you build it, they will come" thing. Most people want to come and participate in threads rather than make threads. If the news posts and OTs are there, I bet they'll generate posts and get daily traffic up. I'm going to try to be a bit more active in posting stuff to help out, but it would probably be wise for EviLore to put some staff on posting some news, making OTs if no one has volunteered for a big game and so on to get the ball rolling again.
 
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Is someone really mad about folks taking advantage of the features integrated into the website?

Yall, be careful about engaging with folks who will argue with you about everything.

Did I really just spend a page reading one user brow beating another for using the ignore function? Good lord.

You beat me to it!!!
 
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braveone was never a moderate and even he would not call him a moderate. Braveone example was banned and warned several times because of the threat of violence as one example.

If you attack people on a personal level it is your own fault if you get banned here


Nope was banned for doing what most people in this thread this. I gave my opinion and got banned for it . Note said I was lying about this forum on a daily bases .. which was not the case as it was the first time I'd been that critical .. did not even break the TOS just pissed off a mod
 
Nope was banned for doing what most people in this thread this. I gave my opinion and got banned for it . Note said I was lying about this forum on a daily bases .. which was not the case as it was the first time I'd been that critical .. did not even break the TOS just pissed off a mod

Can you link the post in question, or was it edited? I don't quite get what you meant saying you were lying about this forum.

Either way, welcome back.
 
Well, in an attempt to steer the conversation back to the intended topic, I'll share my two cents. I've only been around a few days, so take it fwiw. I'm an old GAF member, recently returned.

It is smaller, and there is less discussion, that's obvious. I prefer it that way, though. It is more right-sized now (and growing). The old GAF had so many people, it was very hard to have a conversation. A lot of threads moved so fast that if you posted something, it was buried pages deep by the time you returned a couple hours later. It was too busy and too noisy, like trying to talk in a loud, crowded stadium. So to me, this is a change for the better. There are plenty of posters, but it's not overwhelming. I feel like I can have a conversation and get to know people now.

There is also a quality of optimism or good cheer about the changes. New members are arriving all the time, many of them because they are disenchanted with the PC atmosphere of Resetera. Many people find the freedom of speech over here refreshing.

Speaking of which, the change from SJW speech police to open, free conversation is very noticeable. Things have really changed here in that regard. Only time will tell whether those changes will hold, but I have faith they will. You don't have to worry about posting something because it might potentially offend some subgroup of people. You don't have to worry about getting banned because you express an opinion that is not in line with SJW/feminist/PC dogma. You don't have to worry about being accused of sexism, racism, whateverism, because you said something that a moderator got their panties in a twist about. You don't have to censor and police your own speech for fear of getting banned. I'm not saying you can go hog wild and start advocating violence or something like that, but you have a ton more latitude than you did before.

I'd say it seems pretty healthy to me. It's still recovering, but it's doing well.
 
Well, in an attempt to steer the conversation back to the intended topic, I'll share my two cents. I've only been around a few days, so take it fwiw. I'm an old GAF member, recently returned.

It is smaller, and there is less discussion, that's obvious. I prefer it that way, though. It is more right-sized now (and growing). The old GAF had so many people, it was very hard to have a conversation. A lot of threads moved so fast that if you posted something, it was buried pages deep by the time you returned a couple hours later. It was too busy and too noisy, like trying to talk in a loud, crowded stadium. So to me, this is a change for the better. There are plenty of posters, but it's not overwhelming. I feel like I can have a conversation and get to know people now.

There is also a quality of optimism or good cheer about the changes. New members are arriving all the time, many of them because they are disenchanted with the PC atmosphere of Resetera. Many people find the freedom of speech over here refreshing.

Speaking of which, the change from SJW speech police to open, free conversation is very noticeable. Things have really changed here in that regard. Only time will tell whether those changes will hold, but I have faith they will. You don't have to worry about posting something because it might potentially offend some subgroup of people. You don't have to worry about getting banned because you express an opinion that is not in line with SJW/feminist/PC dogma. You don't have to worry about being accused of sexism, racism, whateverism, because you said something that a moderator got their panties in a twist about. You don't have to censor and police your own speech for fear of getting banned. I'm not saying you can go hog wild and start advocating violence or something like that, but you have a ton more latitude than you did before.

I'd say it seems pretty healthy to me. It's still recovering, but it's doing well.

No matter how thorough these folks tend to write their posts, I still get a BINGO when they drop "SJW/Feminist/Political Correctness/Censorship"


I agree that old GAF sucked when it was so big, by the time you saw a thread, the first two pages were full of reactions that might not even be long enough to count as a sentence, and by then, you were talking into the void.

But because we agree on something I'm still gonna make it clear that if you come on here thinking you won't be accused of sexism/racism "whateverism" that you have been misinformed, because some of us are still here to call you out if you decide to be vile, thinking that passes as "discussion."
 
No matter how thorough these folks tend to write their posts, I still get a BINGO when they drop "SJW/Feminist/Political Correctness/Censorship"


I agree that old GAF sucked when it was so big, by the time you saw a thread, the first two pages were full of reactions that might not even be long enough to count as a sentence, and by then, you were talking into the void.

But because we agree on something I'm still gonna make it clear that if you come on here thinking you won't be accused of sexism/racism "whateverism" that you have been misinformed, because some of us are still here to call you out if you decide to be vile, thinking that passes as "discussion."

You mention these "bingo" items far more than most users do. You're not the tone police. Give it a rest.
 
OT is half of the site.
If you want to know the state of this forum, these posts are perfectly valid.

Claims have been made that the site is trending toward bigotry [perhaps incorrectly labeled as 'right-leaning' (though, again, it is typically a right-leaning focal-point) but the teams aren't really the issue], and these posts are clear evidence of that fact.

Before the exodus, this site was painfully-left. Reverting to tolerance of racism isn't the correct response, though. Posts like these prove how things that would ordinarily be laughed at are becoming normalized.
I've already posted various examples of discrimination in this thread (though I admit I initially used the word "racism" when I should have included more types of hatred) but these particular posts are about as good of an example as can be.

Excellent post.

"Painfully-left" is a good way to put it. Religion was customarily shat upon at every turn, including Islam, which, those of us in the States have a peculiar relationship with considering what happened with 9/11 and its aftermath. There was indeed an Islamophobic backlash here, which persists to this day (MUSLIM BAN). However, many GAFers "weaponized" Islam against Christian evangelicals not because they were religious themselves, just to "stick it to" those they assumed to be (hyper?) conservative.

And then in the next thread, circle-jerk about Neil DeGrasse Tyson memes, or Stephen Hawking, and talk about how a world without religion would be a better place.

The elimination of this behavior in Neo-NeoGaf is a great boon. When people celebrate being able to talk about things, yes, let's for example, discuss the how people practice their faith in the public sphere. That is a welcome change.

Folks feeling like it's open season for practicing their bigotry, is not.
 
Well, in an attempt to steer the conversation back to the intended topic, I'll share my two cents. I've only been around a few days, so take it fwiw. I'm an old GAF member, recently returned.

It is smaller, and there is less discussion, that's obvious. I prefer it that way, though. It is more right-sized now (and growing). The old GAF had so many people, it was very hard to have a conversation. A lot of threads moved so fast that if you posted something, it was buried pages deep by the time you returned a couple hours later. It was too busy and too noisy, like trying to talk in a loud, crowded stadium. So to me, this is a change for the better. There are plenty of posters, but it's not overwhelming. I feel like I can have a conversation and get to know people now.

There is also a quality of optimism or good cheer about the changes. New members are arriving all the time, many of them because they are disenchanted with the PC atmosphere of Resetera. Many people find the freedom of speech over here refreshing.

Speaking of which, the change from SJW speech police to open, free conversation is very noticeable. Things have really changed here in that regard. Only time will tell whether those changes will hold, but I have faith they will. You don't have to worry about posting something because it might potentially offend some subgroup of people. You don't have to worry about getting banned because you express an opinion that is not in line with SJW/feminist/PC dogma. You don't have to worry about being accused of sexism, racism, whateverism, because you said something that a moderator got their panties in a twist about. You don't have to censor and police your own speech for fear of getting banned. I'm not saying you can go hog wild and start advocating violence or something like that, but you have a ton more latitude than you did before.

I'd say it seems pretty healthy to me. It's still recovering, but it's doing well.

It is doing pretty well, I agree. Yes you will get called out (see below) for "microaggressions" and "dogwhistles". Maybe some "whataboutisms" when you try to make a comparison. Thankfully the mods here recognize that most of the time these accusations are baseless and you won't get banned.

No matter how thorough these folks tend to write their posts, I still get a BINGO when they drop "SJW/Feminist/Political Correctness/Censorship"


I agree that old GAF sucked when it was so big, by the time you saw a thread, the first two pages were full of reactions that might not even be long enough to count as a sentence, and by then, you were talking into the void.

But because we agree on something I'm still gonna make it clear that if you come on here thinking you won't be accused of sexism/racism "whateverism" that you have been misinformed, because some of us are still here to call you out if you decide to be vile, thinking that passes as "discussion."

And I get a BINGO everytime someone writes transphobia, racist, islamaphobia, etc... lol

You will probably always win this game though because I haven't been trained to find the ideological underpinnings of even the most innocuous things as you have.
 
It's a work in progress. Let me have a stab at characterising it.

Old GAF, prior to meltdowns and exodus, was very busy and extremely diverse. And by diverse I mean not racially, ethnically or sexually or anything like that, but in the range of conversation. And pretty well wherever you went on the site you'd see a few familiar avatars and feel at home - you'd recognise person X not only as a bit of a righty politically but also as someone who has side interests in Formula 1 and art history and bit bit more mathematical knowledge than is usual. We could see people in the round. Not everyone obviously, but enough to foster a strong sense of community.

Where we are now, there's far fewer of us, and we're kind of rattling around in this big old mansion with lots of rooms, many of them sparsely populated. And while that gives a lot of freedom to roam around we're missing the busy-ness. You might go in a thread now and there's nobody active there at all, just dust and cobwebs and a few notes scrawled on the walls. And while you might post and get some sort of response, you miss the actual interactivity. I do anyway.

Doesn't mean the place is dead. Far from it. But it probably does mean that for it to get better we could all do with spreading ourselves out a bit, maybe getting known outside our familiar haunts. Get known, get to know people.

What I think we could do with is a lobby - kind of like the lobby at the Central Criminal Court or the Houses of Parliament - where people pop in on their way to and from threads and just, you know, pass the time of day a bit. No actual discussions or arguments in there, just a place for people to pass through and nod and say hello, kind of like an introductions thread-lite but permanent. It might help.

Hell. Let's give it a go. I'm going to pop through the Lobby each time I visit and unvisit - let's see what happens ....
 
I don't miss the busyness of oldGAF at all. It moved way too fast for my liking.

It may have been more user-friendly if it had the current notification system back then, but without it, it was a nightmare in fast moving threads.
 
I don't miss the busyness of oldGAF at all. It moved way too fast for my liking.

It may have been more user-friendly if it had the current notification system back then, but without it, it was a nightmare in fast moving threads.

Yea, I agree.
Most posts would go unread until it was 100 pages deep and starting to slow.
 
But because we agree on something I'm still gonna make it clear that if you come on here thinking you won't be accused of sexism/racism "whateverism" that you have been misinformed, because some of us are still here to call you out if you decide to be vile, thinking that passes as "discussion."

Sounds like you're assuming in advance that I'm planning to post racist, sexist, or otherwise "vile" material, and you feel the need to warn me against it. That's a pretty egregious (and foolish) assumption on your part.

edit: To clarify, in my comments above, I was not really referring to being "called out" by other members of the forum for something they find offensive or objectionable. I'm fine with that. I've never had a problem defending what I say. What I was referring to were actions taken by the moderators at old GAF -- warnings and bans for saying something that crossed the PC/feminist/SJW line into some opinion that didn't defer to that ideological dogma.

If you, as an individual member, want to come at me for something I say that you disagree with, go right ahead; that's part of the rough and tumble of a forum. What I was referring to was the moderator-enforced PC/SJW atmosphere at old GAF. It stifled free exchange of ideas and suppressed alternative points of view. GAF is so much better without that nonsense.
 
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I am a long time member, and in my opinion, things changed for the better when all those people left for Resetera. There was so much emphasis on individual posters before, many of whom posted dozens of comments per day. Now I feel like people comment (mostly) when they are actually interested in the topic.

Case-in-point, I made a thread about adult-themed games last week. In the old NeoGAF, there would have been a bunch of additional one line posts with salacious comments and memes. This said, these types of posts had their own charm and insider humor (like when guys would post about some ridiculous attempt to date a stripper, and a bunch of people would respond with memes, etc.).

But - at least in the gaming forum where I have always made most of my posts - I feel like the overall quality of the threads has improved, and the number of one line posts and memes have dropped dramatically.
 
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Wow, and they let you come back after posting that?

Talking about how to harm mods is pretty messed up dude.

Hope you grew from this.

You might want to re-read that.

He was discussing a prior doxxing that happened and how bad it was, and explaining that the dangers of that go beyond just the leak of some photos. He wasn't making a threat himself. He was expressing concern over other crazy people who might abuse the leaked information to go after Era mods.

At least, that's my understanding. I didn't read the entire thread, just the context chain a few levels up. I think what he was referring to originally happened in the "let's bitch about Era" thread in Community.
 
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the same way other posters think it's acceptable to be Homophobic, Transphobic , islamaphobic etc..

The environment is being bred here

Like the old Gaf there where a group of posters that would crush discussion in a corrosive manner.. well there's a new set of posters that do the same but with an opposing view. In that respect nothing has changed.

I see you took your time off for some self inflection :rolleyes:

You are quite literally lying about lying. Fucking lyception.

Worth noting, screeching Homophobia, Transphobia , Islamaphobia at the drop of a hat with absolutely zero evidence to back it up is no longer a valid debate tactic around here.
 
I see you took your time off for some self inflection :rolleyes:

You are quite literally lying about lying. Fucking lyception.

Worth noting, screeching Homophobia, Transphobia , Islamaphobia at the drop of a hat with absolutely zero evidence to back it up is no longer a valid debate tactic around here.

He's not wrong. This forum turned into a pit filled with bigoted shit. There's still alot of it going around.

Half of you people can't even be bothered to humour the idea of transgender being an actual thing.
 
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He's not wrong. This forum turned into a pit filled with bigoted shit. There's still alot of it going around.

Half of you people can't even be bothered to humour the idea of transgender being an actual thing.

Fucking receipts then. Go on, 50% of users is a pretty big sample size to chose from. Won't be difficult for you to find.
 
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/self-identify-trans-woman-attacks-4-women-in-prison.1463847/

Let me also note, that the actual article is some trash tabloid shit. But damn if people don't take every chance to be assholes.

That's only recent.

Amazing, calling that "transphobia"... Let alone 50% transphobia.

But you know, feels over reals...

News articles like that are great actually. Shows just how far some people will take their mental gymnastics.

Omg think of the WHAMENs! But fuck, transphobia!!! Fuck who is oppressed mOAr!!!
 
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You might want to re-read that.

He was discussing a prior doxxing that happened and how bad it was, and explaining that the dangers of that go beyond just the leak of some photos. He wasn't making a threat himself. He was expressing concern over other crazy people who might abuse the leaked information to go after Era mods.

At least, that's my understanding. I didn't read the entire thread, just the context chain a few levels up. I think what he was referring to originally happened in the "let's bitch about Era" thread in Community.

OK, I only read that one post so I guess that one post wasn't very clear context wise as it looks like he is stating how others should attack ERA mods.

It was not just photos let's be honest , if someone wanted to bring actual harm to an Era mod the means to and the map had been provided. Jobs, university , namess and in some cases current address.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/self-identify-trans-woman-attacks-4-women-in-prison.1463847/

Let me also note, that the actual article is some trash tabloid shit. But damn if people don't take every chance to be assholes.

That's only recent.

You mean the OP, or did you link wrong?
 
Oh, I thought you had specific posts in mind.

There's so many though

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/self...acks-4-women-in-prison.1463847/post-253343663

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/self...acks-4-women-in-prison.1463847/post-253343727

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/self...acks-4-women-in-prison.1463847/post-253343824

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/self...acks-4-women-in-prison.1463847/post-253343889

Aww, deflection, my favourite.

God forbid someone challenges your narrative...

I'm not deflecting, but this is just gibberish:
Amazing, calling that "transphobia"... Let alone 50% transphobia.

But you know, feels over reals...

News articles like that are great actually. Shows just how far some people will take their mental gymnastics.

Omg think of the WHAMENs! But fuck, transphobia!!! Fuck who is oppressed mOAr!!!


Speaking of gibberish, the last post:

Now, if you wanted to talk about the non gender "genders" than you might have a decent argument. example - "Abimegender– A gender which is profound, deep, and infinite." this is not a fucking gender and you don't get your special pronouns or "other" bathrooms. Now sit down and realise your entire college "gender studies" education was a complete waste of time and effort and has not a single relevant application in, what the rest of us call, reality.
 
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