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[Skyn3t]

Wow, Me American made a long post about how extreme right GAF now is and how ultimately the site is going to collapse. Well, things are quite here, especially for the gaming site, which is a main focus here, but I strongly believe that GAF will gather its strength in time. Some say that forums are over and Reddit, Twitter etc took over. My response? "Nah". The forum format is the best way to share and comment on news/different topics, without having to dig through memes and shit. As a contradiction I find Era's gaming side full of life, a great place to keep up to date with gaming, but pro trans, minority, whatever narrative that leaks even into gaming threads is heavily off-putting for me. No, I'm not alt right, don't give a shit about politics, just have my own moral compass, which isn't to fond of tolerance in intolerance and double standards. If GAF really doesn't get from its knees, I'll just use Era as my RSS reader. If it allows to follow forums like GAF now dose.

People are rather sceptic about the future of GAF and it would be nice if EviLore shared some of his plans to improve the situation. Apart of sending these emails Mr American mentioned.

Peace.

EDIT

American banned, wow, that was quick. Just hope that not for speaking his mind.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

The acceptance of casual islamophobia is a shame.

Looks like the acid attack thread that was on the front page just moments ago was so rancid with its islamophobia from so many different members that the entire thread was deleted.

The thread about rising attacks on muslims in the UK has a first reply that insinuates that it doesn't matter and a second reply that basically whatabouts into insinuating all acid stacks are done by muslims. Both replies have the most likes in the whole thread. Rest of the thread is not much better.

Also I've noticed that threads about, say a member of a racist right wing hate group doing something bad will get shit up real quick and die just as quick.

Threads in the other direction have much more "concern".

Edit: seems that thread is back now

 

[138]

I committed account suicide on ERA.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The acceptance of casual islamophobia is a shame.

Looks like the acid attack thread that was on the front page just moments ago was so rancid with its islamophobia from so many different members that entire thread was deleted.

Also I've noticed that threads about, say a member of a racist right wing hate group doing something bad will get shit up real quick and die just as quick.

Threads in the other direction have much more "concern".

You mean this thread?

 

[Skyn3t]

Islamophobia? Nope. Acknowledging that inside that religion are some very dangerous individuals and groups? Just common sense.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

The acceptance of casual islamophobia is a shame.

Looks like the acid attack thread that was on the front page just moments ago was so rancid with its islamophobia from so many different members that entire thread was deleted.

Also I've noticed that threads about, say a member of a racist right wing hate group doing something bad will get shit up real quick and die just as quick.

Threads in the other direction have much more "concern".

This is completely unfair, and I've seen it enough around the forum from other users that I think it needs to be called out:

Sorry, but you are not the forum's unofficial "tone police". I see constant comments amounting too "lol this place is soooo in favor of Trump. Alt-right much!?!" with no further explanation. It's just a crude conversation-ender thrown into threads like a smelly grenade. If people are attacking other users, they get moderated. If people are saying blatantly bigoted stuff, they get moderated.

You don't get to play judge and jury because you feel that the forum didn't respond harshly enough to the issues that you find important. Nope. That's insane. Delusional. It's not appropriate behavior. You want to disagree with someone? Cool. You want to pass judgment because you feel the forum's tone and attention isn't quite aligned the right way? Hahah nope.

 

[AfricanKing]

You mean this thread?

Nah .. this thread

 

[EviLore]

Wow, Me American made a long post about how extreme right GAF now is and how ultimately the site is going to collapse. Well, things are quite here, especially for the gaming site, which is a main focus here, but I strongly believe that GAF will gather its strength in time. Some say that forums are over and Reddit, Twitter etc took over. My response? "Nah". The forum format is the best way to share and comment on news/different topics, without having to dig through memes and shit. As a contradiction I find Era's gaming side full of life, a great place to keep up to date with gaming, but pro trans, minority, whatever narrative that leaks even into gaming threads is heavily off-putting for me. No, I'm not alt right, don't give a shit about politics, just have my own moral compass, which isn't to fond of tolerance in intolerance and double standards. If GAF really doesn't get from its knees, I'll just use Era as my RSS reader. If it allows to follow forums like GAF now dose.

People are rather sceptic about the future of GAF and it would be nice if EviLore shared some of his plans to improve the situation. Apart of sending these emails Mr American mentioned.

Peace.

EDIT

American banned, wow, that was quick. Just hope that not for speaking his mind.

He was trying to butter me up with long format PMs in attempts to get me to affirm things that weren't true, presumably that he thought I was withholding scandalous details for PR reasons (I'm not). Reeked of opportunism and deception. He just came off a short unrelated ban for personal attacks against another user and looks like he had his fill of pretense. Bye bye.

Skyn3t We're working on tons of stuff right now, and I've told you some of those things, yeah? I'd rather show the results than talk is all.

 

[Deleted member 12837]

The tech upgrade has been great. The new software the forum runs on is much nicer, lots of new features, etc. The mod team has also improved, I think. While I don't always agree with their decisions, I'm glad that they seem to err on the side of being more "hands-off" vs. taking a more censorship-based approach. There's also a bit more transparency now.

The community definitely took a huge hit, though. Pretty much every thread that I subscribed to pre-split is completely dead here now. I rarely posted in or browsed random OT threads back then -- almost all of my time was spent in specific threads (FitGAF. The Japan travel thread. Fancy Poster GAF. NBA GAF. etc) The communities have moved themselves entirely over to Era. They might start back up here, but it's going to be slow and take a while.

Stick around and start posting a bit. Give it a month or so and see for yourself what you think. It's always good to have more folks around that were members before the schism.

 

[Liberty4all]

Forum certainly needs more activity. Also, while I love that there is much more open discussion now, there's definitely a movement to make this forum here more in line with the_donald and kotaku in action.

I would love this forum to become an open place to discuss opinions on both moderate sites of the spectrum, but there's certainly some way to go to get there, as extremists from both sides of the spectrum are trying to make their opinions the most prominent.

I post avidly on the Donald... Gaf is nothing like them.

The Donald is an echo chamber and proud of it. Created as a spot to celebrate Trump. Anti Trump is insta ban... They are very clear on that unlike /r/politics which is a joke of a propaganda subreddit.

IMHO all that's changed in GAF is that formerly banned opinions are now welcome to be discussed. As most lefties initially went to Resetera, GAF OT had definitely had a more right wing slant as folks from the right were free to post here again. But unlike Resetera which essentially bans WrongThink, GAF welcomes left wing posters to post their ideas and engage with the right.

And you know what? Overall is creating some pretty damn good discussions. While I trend hard right politically, I appreciate some of our left wing posters defending their views and challenging mine. We may not agree on everything but it's this tempered discourse that will pull all of us more to the middle.

At the very least it represents what freedom of speech and political ideals really means.

The is no "right side of history" here in our OT, only political opinions debated over civil discourse. Our mods will equally ban anyone attacking person instead of ideas... As it should be.

The moderation here now is night and day from before and to Evillores credit, he's trying to repair the damage done from years of moderator partisanship. Admittedly it took gafs implosion for this to happen but overall he's going to be a better person for it, and GAF will be a better forum.

The direction GAF is going now is everything I dreamed could one day happen. I'm pleased to see management is dedicated to going back to what the site was always about, and I'll support what's been my forum home for years.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Nah .. this thread

He confused me by calling it the acid attack thread. Then saying it was no longer on the front page and deleted.

Ah well.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

This is completely unfair, and I've seen it enough around the forum from other users that I think it needs to be called out:

Sorry, but you are not the forum's unofficial "tone police". I see constant comments amounting too "lol this place is soooo in favor of Trump. Alt-right much!?!" with no further explanation. It's just a crude conversation-ender thrown into threads like a smelly grenade. If people are attacking other users, they get moderated. If people are saying blatantly bigoted stuff, they get moderated.

You don't get to play judge and jury because you feel that the forum didn't respond harshly enough to the issues that you find important. Nope. That's insane. Delusional. It's not appropriate behavior. You want to disagree with someone? Cool. You want to pass judgment because you feel the forum's tone and attention isn't quite aligned the right way? Hahah nope.

This thread is asking about how people feel about the forums.

I said I don't like the casual islamophobia I see.

I also made an observation about how threads are treated based on their subject.

Sorry it was so upsetting for you to read or that you took it personally.

 

[Airola]

Threads titled "Elizabeth Warren Supporter Does Something Bad!!!" is eye-roll worthy propaganda and punditry, lol.

I would say that type of threads were here before the exodus, and they have stayed here after the exodus. It's just that the point of view has certainly had a change, but it's not as if propaganda and clickbaits and politically motivated spin threads have suddenly now appeared here.

It's been nearly 24 hours and nobody has made a thread about the mass-shooting in Toronto. Why? Because it looks bad for people who are in favor of private citizens owning guns, and gun ownership is more precious to conservatives than abortion.

No-one has made a thread about a stabbing attack on a bus in Germany either even though it would have all the things your stereotypical conservatives would love to point out - from not using guns and still causing harm to immigration. Yet no one has made a thread about it here. Why?

 

[Dr. Claus]

This forum likes to project the image that it is now somehow an infinitely better place because all the crazy 'leftists' have moved over to ResetERA. But don't be fooled.

ResetERA is indeed a hell hole of extreme left viewpoints but it does not reflect the reality of society at large. Actually talk to left-wing inclined people in the real world and, not talking shit online, and you'll realise they are generally varied viewpoints of differing passion and intensity. Resetera is a fringe element, a caricature of the left, where only one type of viewpoint is allowed. It's best as a place to be either ignored, or go to the gaming side to find the occasional breaking news, for which it is excellent.

NeoGAF, however is the mirror image of ResetERA. Just as ERA is extreme left, NeoGAF edges further and further to the right and extreme right. You can see that any time you pop into Off-topic. Just take a quick glance at the numerous Trump threads and how there is overwhelming love for the lunatic. When both the left-wing and right-wing media condemns Trump, and even his own passionate supporters at Fox News have started turning their backs on him and are criticising him for sucking Putin's dick on the world stage, a large number of members find it in their hearts to show their love and for them Trump can do no wrong.

Quite simply, NeoGAF is a lighter version of /r/the_donald.

It has become a right wing, homophobic, transphobic racist forum with a hatred/dislike of feminism and indeed women itself. You'll notice the absolute lack of any females posting here. It is the complete opposite of how it was last year and is a mirror image of ResetERA.

What NeoGAF was, it will never be again. Ever. That is simple reality. Evilore can send as many e-mails as he like begging for banned members to return, and at best he'll get a trickle returning. Look at the average number of members that are signed in on the main page on any given day. Always around an average of ~150.

People nowadays have too many different avenues to talk about their favourite games, the number one choices being a combination of Reddit, Discord, Twitch, Youtube and Twitter along with individual gaming forums. NeoGAF's name is forever tarnished. Do a Google Search for NeoGAF and look at the first page of results. In todays current political climate, it's simply not the place for people to come and make home because of what happened in October.

God knows what direction the management here plan to take, but the current members here are pretty transparent with their hateful views. The official reason for this is that NeoGAF is now more tolerant and open to discussions and opposing viewpoints.

The unofficial and true reason is... the left wing memberswill never return and, hey, you have to get this page views somehow. May as well embrace the right. Because the gaming media, the websites that used to reference NeoGAF as a source for their articles, have completely and utterly rejected NeoGAF now (and indeed frequently reference ResetERA as I learnt recently).

I know American is banned, but I would like to point out that this is hilariously false. Neogaf is by no means right/far-right. The claims that there homophobic/transphobic/racist forum that hates feminism and women in general? Hilariously off-base. There are indeed more right-leaning users as they are no longer immediately banned like under the previous administration - but the suggestion that the entire site is so is just asinine.

The only issue is that we have people like American (and a number of notables that most members of the forum could probably figure out on their own), that want so desperately to believe that everything right of them is "far-right". Anything that offends them or doesn't sit right with them is some sort of "-phobic, -ist" post - which they use to disingenuously label the entire forum.

I keep shopping this post, but you've more or less revised my assessment of GAF in May, and indeed, not much has changed.

Particularly concerning is as you have said: there is a notable absence of women on this forum.

And even if they are here, they are likely reticent to identify themselves. @<+)O Robido O(+> spoke on their identity, and someone straight up told them that they didn't give a damn because "**** identity politics."

I mean, you're going to struggle with attracting folks who do not identify with the incel movement if the only real rule is to "not directly insult each other."

Threads titled "Elizabeth Warren Supporter Does Something Bad!!!" is eye-roll worthy propaganda and punditry, lol.

It's been nearly 24 hours and nobody has made a thread about the mass-shooting in Toronto. Why? Because it looks bad for people who are in favor of private citizens owning guns, and gun ownership is more precious to conservatives than abortion.

You literally post more of the click-bait/agenda driven posts than most members on this site, Phoenix.

 

[Skyn3t]

Politics, politics, politics, yawn. Is that really what counts? On a gaming forum?

 

[Arkos]

I'm not sure, but I'm here to find out and try to be a positive part of it. I wish I was some kind of subject matter expert, as someone else mentioned it really is valuable having those sorts of people around, especially as our forum is geared towards technical things. But I'll do what I can. I think if enough non-crazy stick around and participate the forum can recover.

 

[diablos991]

I keep shopping this post, but you've more or less revised my assessment of GAF in May, and indeed, not much has changed.

Particularly concerning is as you have said: there is a notable absence of women on this forum.

And even if they are here, they are likely reticent to identify themselves. @<+)O Robido O(+> spoke on their identity, and someone straight up told them that they didn't give a damn because "**** identity politics."

I mean, you're going to struggle with attracting folks who do not identify with the incel movement if the only real rule is to "not directly insult each other."

Threads titled "Elizabeth Warren Supporter Does Something Bad!!!" is eye-roll worthy propaganda and punditry, lol.

It's been nearly 24 hours and nobody has made a thread about the mass-shooting in Toronto. Why? Because it looks bad for people who are in favor of private citizens owning guns, and gun ownership is more precious to conservatives than abortion.

This is like a person complaining about which president we have when they didn't vote in the first place.

If you want the thread then make it. It would take less time than your post did.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

This thread is asking about how people feel about the forums.

I said I don't like the casual islamophobia I see.

I also made an observation about how threads are treated based on their subject.

Sorry it was so upsetting for you to read or that you took it personally.

I'm aware of what you said, but thank you for re-stating it with no additional information.

What I'm pointing out is that you haven't offered any discussion or argument, merely accusation. "buncha islamophobes in here" is not adding anything meaningful, and then when you justify that by saying "I didn't see nearly as much attention paid to this other atrocity. Heh, what a bunch of hypocrites" which is literally leveraging a tragedy to make a political point. You don't find that distasteful in the least?

I didn't so much "take it personally" as I was being addressed by you under the label of "casual Islamophobia". Should I not take that seriously, or were you just slinging around negative buzzwords?

 

[guggnichso]

I post avidly on the Donald... Gaf is nothing like them.

The Donald is an echo chamber and proud of it. Created as a spot to celebrate Trump. Anti Trump is insta ban... They are very clear on that unlike /r/politics which is a joke of a propaganda subreddit.

IMHO all that's changed in GAF is that formerly banned opinions are now welcome to be discussed. As most lefties initially went to Resetera, GAF OT had definitely had a more right wing slant as folks from the right were free to post here again. But unlike Resetera which essentially bans WrongThink, GAF welcomes left wing posters to post their ideas and engage with the right.

And you know what? Overall is creating some pretty damn good discussions. While I trend hard right politically, I appreciate some of our left wing posters defending their views and challenging mine. We may not agree on everything but it's this tempered discourse that will pull all of us more to the middle.

At the very least it represents what freedom of speech and political ideals really means.

The is no "right side of history" here in our OT, only political opinions debated over civil discourse. Our mods will equally ban anyone attacking person instead of ideas... As it should be.

The moderation here now is night and day from before and to Evillores credit, he's trying to repair the damage done from years of moderator partisanship. Admittedly it took gafs implosion for this to happen but overall he's going to be a better person for it, and GAF will be a better forum.

The direction GAF is going now is everything I dreamed could one day happen. I'm pleased to see management is dedicated to going back to what the site was always about, and I'll support what's been my forum home for years.

Well, the comparison with the donald from me was made from an observation that quite some topics were posted with very sensationalist headlines and in part in all caps (in the likes of "Green pundit SMASHES purple bastards ASININE opinion. LOCK purple bastards UP!"). That's of course just a demonstration of what I mean.

Also, as a german, a lot of "Hard Right" stuff that is currently peddled in the U.S. seems just really fucking weird to me, because well... ah, let's not put this thread off it's reels. There will be other opportunities to discuss if you want to have an honest discussion. Cheers!

 

[Airola]

Particularly concerning is as you have said: there is a notable absence of women on this forum.

This seems to be true, I just noticed it myself. I think there were some women in a few threads (at least in an abortion thread, shockingly lol) but at least one of them has stopped writing.
Obviously I can't tell who are women and who are not. Men don't generally advertise their gender either though. So I wouldn't really know. But it feels there are way less women now, that's for sure.
But it really is a shame and a sad thing if most of the women have completely left the place and it's even more sad if there aren't women willing to register in this forum either.

 

[EviLore]

Please don't ask our women members to "out" themselves. We have plenty of women here. They mostly choose to withhold that information because internet, and because it can interfere with having a productive discussion.

You're assuming women aren't here because they're not going around posting photos of themselves or starting posts with "AS A FEMALE, I...." except that's not the environment we're going for.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

I'm aware of what you said, but thank you for re-stating it with no additional information.

What I'm pointing out is that you haven't offered any discussion or argument, merely accusation. "buncha islamophobes in here" is not adding anything meaningful, and then when you justify that by saying "I didn't see nearly as much attention paid to this other atrocity. Heh, what a bunch of hypocrites" which is literally leveraging a tragedy to make a political point. You don't find that distasteful in the least?

I didn't so much "take it personally" as I was being addressed by you under the label of "casual Islamophobia". Should I not take that seriously, or were you just slinging around negative buzzwords?

Sorry mate.

I was just stating what I've recently seen on the forum.

I felt the casual islamophobia I saw was a shame.

 

[Skyn3t]

You're assuming women aren't here because they're not going around posting photos of themselves or starting posts with "AS A FEMALE, I...." except that's not the environment we're going for.

Isn't female a derogatory term?

 

[EviLore]

Isn't female a derogatory term?

Only if you're retarded.

 

[Skyn3t]

Well, didn't expect that, but the response is spot on!

 

[DasPenguin]

Islamophobia? Nope. Acknowledging that inside that religion are some very dangerous individuals and groups? Just common sense.

Would you care to acknowledge why there has been such increase in radicalism after 2004 or so? Maybe some supporters of some other religion might have something to do with it?

War on drugs, war on terror. Doesn't matter. The end result is always ten times worse than the expected outcome.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

for the most part everyone seems cool. its funny though how some view most here as 'alt right' or whatever which is far from true and i would even consider most of my views to come from a liberal standpoint

 

[Liberty4all]

I keep shopping this post, but you've more or less revised my assessment of GAF in May, and indeed, not much has changed.

Particularly concerning is as you have said: there is a notable absence of women on this forum.

And even if they are here, they are likely reticent to identify themselves. @<+)O Robido O(+> spoke on their identity, and someone straight up told them that they didn't give a damn because "**** identity politics."

I mean, you're going to struggle with attracting folks who do not identify with the incel movement if the only real rule is to "not directly insult each other."

Threads titled "Elizabeth Warren Supporter Does Something Bad!!!" is eye-roll worthy propaganda and punditry, lol.

It's been nearly 24 hours and nobody has made a thread about the mass-shooting in Toronto. Why? Because it looks bad for people who are in favor of private citizens owning guns, and gun ownership is more precious to conservatives than abortion.

Actually the Toronto incident -- that guy would have been put down quickly if it happened in an open carry state.

I should add they found explosives at Chester subway Station nearby (this has been practically reported nowhere) -

Is very likely this incident is terrorism related (IMHO). Time will tell I guess. The gunman was Faisal Hussein

 

[guggnichso]

Actually the Toronto incident -- that guy would have been put down quickly if it happened in an open carry state.

I should add they found explosives at Chester subway Station nearby (this has been practically reported nowhere) -

Is very likely this incident is terrorism related (IMHO). Time will tell I guess. The gunman was Faisal Hussein

I think that should be put in it's own thread. Also keep in mind that in the first 48 hours of media coverage of any "breaking" event, mistakes and false information runs rampant.

 

[Skyn3t]

Would you care to acknowledge why there has been such increase in radicalism after 2004 or so? Maybe some supporters of some other religion might have something to do with it?

War on drugs, war on terror. Doesn't matter. The end result is always ten times worse than the expected outcome.

Nothing is black and white in this world, of course there's the other side of the coin. But the trend is that far more Muslims live in the West than non-Muslims in Islamic countries. In that case they should try to blend with the society as much as it's possible and respect the laws/traditions and customs as immigrants. And the vast majority of them seems to have no problems with that. But, when fucked to the head extremists show up, they do a lot of damage in a meticulously planned way. It's obvious that bombings, mass killings will put people on their toes towards Muslims.

 

[All Hail C-Webb]

Hello, everyone. I left gaf about the time of the great schism. Back then, the forum was pretty cancerous, and the moderation staff extremely incompetent. If anyone else from that time is still around, how is the forum now as opposed to before? Sorry for the low-effort post.

Ive been at GAF since the beginning, but also took a break after the fallout.
Activity seems to be reaching a solid level, and moderation seems to be more behind the scenes.

I though the forum had gone too far left before the blowup, and now it's swung the other way. Seen some conspiracy theory and Trump posts that read like Infowars, but that's to be expected in a transition.

If this place can get a few more strong moderate and liberal posters, I think that it'll be a fantastic place for discussion.

 

[Alfadawg]

Nah.

The funniest part about this post is that you'd get banned on reset for it!

 

[Skyn3t]

You get banned on Era for not being retarded, so it's not as hard, as it would seem

 

[Liberty4all]

Ive been at GAF since the beginning, but also took a break after the fallout.
Activity seems to be reaching a solid level, and moderation seems to be more behind the scenes.

I though the forum had gone too far left before the blowup, and now it's swung the other way. Seen some conspiracy theory and Trump posts that read like Infowars, but that's to be expected in a transition.

If this place can get a few more strong moderate and liberal posters, I think that it'll be a fantastic place for discussion.

GAF has swung further right but lefties are welcome here. Already in seeing since decent left vs right debates and that's great.

 

[DasPenguin]

Nothing is black and white in this world, of course there's the other side of the coin. But the trend is that far more Muslims live in the West than non-Muslims in Islamic countries. In that case they should try to blend with the society as much as it's possible and respect the laws/traditions and customs as immigrants. And the vast majority of them seems to have no problems with that. But, when fucked to the head extremists show up, they do a lot of damage in a meticulously planned way. It's obvious that bombings, mass killings will put people on their toes towards Muslims.

True, and radicalism should be stopped in every way possible. But if you look at the yearly terrorism body count in Europe, it hasn't changed since the 80's. Only the players have changed , for the most part.

Personally for my country I'm more worried by the generation of losers who fall outside of society, won't study and don't want to work. Those are also the people who often support alt right groups. And there's way too many of them.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The funniest part about this post is that you'd get banned on reset for it!

Good thing this place is no longer authoritarian and respects their members more (the basic foundation of an online community), no matter what race, political ideology, gender, sexuality, or creed.

 

[Liberty4all]

The funniest part about this post is that you'd get banned on reset for it!

Not funny its sad.

 

[Skyn3t]

D DasPenguin , but Finland is a very wealthy country with great social care, at least that's the stereotype in Poland. Let's switch countries, huh. Our minimal wage is less than 400 Euros. Hilariously sad.

 

[138]

Isn't female a derogatory term?

HA! That's the thread where I got banned. I basically just posted a bunch of random slurs, including "female", and then said they're just words. They only have the power we give them.

Sure, I know the nuance of language, and the power that certain slurs can have on certain people. I don't speak that way, other than if I'm on a repressive forum with a few beers in me. I knew I'd get banned, but it was worth it just to see the pearl-clutching.

I did, however, feel bad for the poster who quoted me, saying, "You know, he's not totally wrong, as clunky and offensive as his post is..." He got banned, too.

 

[Airola]

Just take a quick glance at the numerous Trump threads and how there is overwhelming love for the lunatic. When both the left-wing and right-wing media condemns Trump, and even his own passionate supporters at Fox News have started turning their backs on him and are criticising him for sucking Putin's dick on the world stage, a large number of members find it in their hearts to show their love and for them Trump can do no wrong.

Ok, American is banned so it might not be fair to comment, but I have to address a couple of things here.

1. How it is different from what it used to be? There certainly were way more Trump threads then than there is now, that's for sure. And nearly all posts were about hatred for him, no matter what he did.

2. We had people then saying how no-one likes him (well, no-one except for the idiots who still somehow stay idiots and continue rooting for him) and it was pretty much used as a way to pressure people to "admit" they shouldn't like him either. At the very least no-one shouldn't make positive Trump threads because no-one likes Trump. And now you are here continuing that same tactic by saying how now both the left and the right hates him, and that the existence of positive Trump threads or even positive things said about Trump in negative threads is somehow showing how everything is shit.

Look, one of the reasons Trump threads exist and will exist for at least a couple of years is that he happens to be the president of the US. He's bound to have threads on forums where people like to talk about politics too. The president of the USA will always have people who hate him for no reason and for every reason, and there will always be people who root him/her no matter what. It's just that the constant appearances of Trump threads 99,9% trashing the guy have turned into less appearance of Trump threads with much less trashing. You can't really say that the existence of Trump overreactions is only good and acceptable when they line into your view of him.

American isn't here to answer but I'm sure there are some people here who would agree with American with everything he said. I gladly welcome any reply from them.

 

[DasPenguin]

D DasPenguin , but Finland is a very wealthy country with great social care, at least that's the stereotype in Poland. Let's switch countries, huh. Our minimal wage is less than 400 Euros. Hilariously sad.

That stereotype is mostly true, although social care has its issues. Thankfully the educational system is still pretty good (even though the government is doing everything they can to ruin it), so the morons in comment sections who hate all foreigners and support alt right groups is around 10-15 %. But even that's too high of a number. They are not hard to spot. The 4th grade level punctuation and caps lock are the typical giveaways.

 

[NewYork214]

I will say that I was just a lurker until everything happened. Less anxiety to actually post now without fear of being treated like a moronic ass hole

 

[captainraincoat]

Very happy with gaf at the moment and in particular the moderation and the quality of conversations that are being had

Definitely nowhere near the movement of the other site but that's not a bad thing

You can basically see it was certain mods which now run the other site and a large chunk of followers which caused all the shit on here...now that cancer has been removed this place has returned to a very level place and a great place to browse/read and post

I think it's only a matter of time before the good posters over on the other site realised they have been duped and start moving on or they get banned for some stupid reason.

Welcome back by the way.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

Make a thread, then. You just put in more effort complaining about the lack of a thread than would've taken to make a thread about it.

The complaint was one sentence out of several I made in a thread.

Making a (quality) thread takes much more effort than one-sentence criticism: finding a reputable source, actually reading it (not that that's a criteria for participation, but it shows when people don't), quoting selections, and actually formulating more input on the topic than "discuss."

Additionally, I try not to over-saturate the board with my threads to give other people opportunities. I'm not done with a couple quite yet.

 

[Airola]

That stereotype is mostly true, although social care has its issues.

If you included Finland being wealthy to the stereotype that was true, I'd say it's not really like that anymore and the problems with the social system today exists because of that. Finland's debt is outrageously high for small country with 5,5 million people. It's not that long ago when Sipilä admitted we have been taking debt 1 million euros every day, seven days a week, every hour 24/7 and that it's a real concern that they will run out of money if it keeps on going like that.

Thankfully the educational system is still pretty good (even though the government is doing everything they can to ruin it),

Yeah, this is still really good. And the social care and hospitals and all are still way up above compared to most others even though there are problems with them.

 

[Skyn3t]

Ok guys, but you gotta admitt Norwegian, Swedish > Finnish extreme metal scene.

 

[captainraincoat]

The points about gaf being alt right to resetards being alt left are complete shit

Just because someone does not have the same view as you does not make them the opposite and its pretty clear the moderation is tolerant of both sides here

It's good to be able to discuss both points of view as that's the only way both sides will get educated and it will stop all the hate.

The difference between the 2 sites...one site will allow you to have a different view of things...the other will ban you for not following the herd

 

[Airola]

Ok guys, but you gotta admitt Norwegian, Swedish > Finnish extreme metal scene.

Absolutely. I admit that with no regrets.

 

[norm9]

In regards to Off Topic (i don't go into gaming), it's slow. Same couple loud people with some really shitty posts, but that's in my opinion so you may feel different and like these posts. Some very click-baity titles imo, but ymmv on that too.

But yeah, a positive (or negative) is bans aren't being handed out like candy.

 

[bitbydeath]

Too much politics for my liking but at least people can talk freely.