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[Papa]

The thread was about american society, in USA.

I don't see how that precludes historical examples from outside the USA from being relevant to the conversation.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

Is that the only time you go into Gaming because that seems like some top tier cherrypicking. There are plenty of threads talking about games and yet you pick the one that has politics in it. Couple that with giving AngularSaxophone as an example for the whole board and you've got a nice narrative going for you.

Either way this gives me a good excuse to talk about something I've been noticing since I came here. I've seen a lot of users that only post in political OT threads and nothing else for the most part. Obviously I don't have a problem with it (I'm also guilty of going way too much into political threads) but it just seems weird to me that people would come to a gaming-themed forum and only talk politics. I've frequented a lot of boards/forums with a gaming theme and while they usually have an OT section, the main focus are the games.
Again, I don't mind it, I just find it odd. Maybe it's part of the board's culture and I'm just new.

How many examples do I need to provide to meet your criteria of "cherrypicking"? Gimmie a number.

I talk about video games like, almost all the time. But I'm not talking shop with folks who want to defend PewDiePie after he used the n-word on stream.

You can consider that example a bonus.

I click on gaming side every day, but there is rarely news that appeals to me.

 

[Airola]

That said, how do we know he wasn't joking? He wouldn't be the first to make a joke about men turning gay due to women nagging.

Yeah well people have more or less seriously joked about women becoming lesbians because of men so yeah it could be a joke.
But based on interactions with Sax here I think he is quite serious with his more controversial and weird views and he certainly isn't ashamed to say what he believes. I don't mean only things that could be seen as offensive but other stuff too (conspiracies etc.)

 

[Papa]

Yeah well people have more or less seriously joked about women becoming lesbians because of men so yeah it could be a joke.
But based on interactions with Sax here I think he is quite serious with his more controversial and weird views and he certainly isn't ashamed to say what he believes. I don't mean only things that could be seen as offensive but other stuff too (conspiracies etc.)

I don't think he was joking either, but until he confirms he wasn't, I give him the benefit of the doubt. It's also not the end of the world if he wasn't joking because his view is definitely in the minority here. Chucking a hissy fit over a bit of wrongthink and using a single example to paint the rest of us as homophobes is so disingenuous.

 

[bitbydeath]

I talk about video games like, almost all the time. But I'm not talking shop with folks who want to defend PewDiePie after he used the n-word on stream.

Why not just use the ignore button for those you don't want to personally speak with?
I mean it might get lonely if you get very pedantic about every little thing but if it helps your mindset then you have that privilege.

 

[Papa]

How many examples do I need to provide to meet your criteria of "cherrypicking"? Gimmie a number.

I talk about video games like, almost all the time. But I'm not talking shop with folks who want to defend PewDiePie after he used the n-word on stream.

You can consider that example a bonus.

I click on gaming side every day, but there is rarely news that appeals to me.

I'm not suggesting you should leave, but if you're so unhappy here, why stay? Genuine question, because I don't understand why you would hang around somewhere that makes you miserable. It's masochistic to an extent.

Edit: Pretty sure I'm one of the people that made Phoenix's block list. Hilarious.

 

[TrainedRage]

I've got to admit it's getting better, it's getting better all the time.

I'm serious.

 

[Helios]

How many examples do I need to provide to meet your criteria of "cherrypicking"? Gimmie a number.

Maybe once the number becomes more than 2? Currently there are 2 "political" threads on the first page of Gaming(both of them about gaming journalism) and none on page 2 and 3.
I also love that you go into Gaming, ignore everything else and look at a thread that has gaming journalism in the title and than get mad people are discussing gaming journalism.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

Maybe once the number becomes more than 2? Currently there are 2 "political" threads on the first page of Gaming(both of them about gaming journalism) and none on page 2 and 3.
I also love that you go into Gaming, ignore everything else and look at a thread that has gaming journalism in the title and than get mad people are discussing gaming journalism.

So is the number three? I just want to be clear.

To be clear, I said that there was little in gaming that interests me. I went into the gaming journalism thread because my dream job has always been to write for magazines like EGM, GamePro, etc--the publications I grew up reading.

I didn't get mad at what I saw there, as I had been accustomed to seeing that negativity in OT. That stuff is toxic, and it pours over into other areas of the site.

IDK how many pages you're configured for, but that Robin Gaming thread is on my page 2.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

So is the number three? I just want to be clear.

To be clear, I said that there was little in gaming that interests me. I went into the gaming journalism thread because my dream job has always been to write for magazines like EGM, GamePro, etc--the publications I grew up reading.

I didn't get mad at what I saw there, as I had been accustomed to seeing that negativity in OT. That stuff is toxic, and it pours over into other areas of the site.

IDK how many pages you're configured for, but that Robin Gaming thread is on my page 2.

Why not just use the ignore button for those you don't want to personally speak with?
I mean it might get lonely if you get very pedantic about every little thing but if it helps your mindset then you have that privilege.

Been doing that.

And it doesn't get lonely that way, but makes browsing here tolerable. What makes it lonely is that when so many of the people I like get banned.

 

[B_Signal]

Maybe once the number becomes more than 2? Currently there are 2 "political" threads on the first page of Gaming(both of them about gaming journalism) and none on page 2 and 3.
I also love that you go into Gaming, ignore everything else and look at a thread that has gaming journalism in the title and than get mad people are discussing gaming journalism.

There's more than that. The threads don't start out as political, but the internet is the internet

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/is-g...or-a-living-relict-of-the-past.1464029/page-2
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/quality-video-game-news-sources.1463763/page-3
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/gami...pendent-jurnalism-or-a-waste-of-time.1463806/
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/king...k-about-development-incl-controversy.1464039/
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/gog-...alism-tombstone.1463885/page-6#post-253354596

page 2 has this https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-naughty-dog-agenda-robingaming.1463523/page-20
and after that I've stopped looking, but I remember the Wolfenstein 2 Switch thread taking a turn for a bit too

 

[Airola]

I don't think he was joking either, but until he confirms he wasn't, I give him the benefit of the doubt. It's also not the end of the world if he wasn't joking because his view is definitely in the minority here. Chucking a hissy fit over a bit of wrongthink and using a single example to paint the rest of us as homophobes is so disingenuous.

And he didn't say all gays were gays because of that. While it could be that he is using some fake-ass anecdotical evidence to get his possibly prejudiced view to be heard, I don't think it's impossible either that he was telling the truth about some gays saying that is the reason for them. That's what his post at face value was: that he has talked to gays who have implied that at least to them it is like that. Then he tried to rationalize it by his own view that men want submissive women and that could be the reason for men to turn to other men when women are getting too strong and or too complicated. That's it when read at face value, but of course he could've been disingenuous there too and at the very least sociopolitically motivated.

EDIT:
And it also could be that what he said was true but that the gay guys were joking about it themselves and he didn't get the joke.

 

[bitbydeath]

Been doing that.

And it doesn't get lonely that way, but makes browsing here tolerable. What makes it lonely is that when so many of the people I like get banned.

Sorry to hear mate, if you think they were unfairly banned you should raise it with EvilLore.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

I'm not suggesting you should leave, but if you're so unhappy here, why stay? Genuine question, because I don't understand why you would hang around somewhere that makes you miserable. It's masochistic to an extent.

To be fair, the site is still very much in the process of trying to bounce back from the mass exodus. It's good that people are sticking around and helping shape what it evolves into. This place skewed very political and very to the right in the intital months after that and is starting to become more balanced as more people return, new people sign up etc.

It would be nice to see it turn into being a games first site again when is all said and done, rather than politics first like the other site and just with a more centrist or right leaning slant IMO. It's hard to find well moderated gaming forums these days as most are either politically dominated, or are full of fanboys/kids/trolls with most post being console flame wars.

 

[Straight Edge]

There is a deep divide between the left and right in OT. Eventually one or the other is going to leave.

 

[LegendOfKage]

I understand revisiting bans and whatnot but not so much turning the place into a standing room for r/the_donald. But I guess if Tyler wanted to keep this place alive after what happened it was the only receptive demographic he could turn to.

No one is turning to any demographic. You're welcome to disagree with anyone here. What you're witnessing is what fair moderation without political bias looks like. Not that moderators don't have very specific opinions on various political and social issues, but they seem to be doing a good job of not letting it influence their moderation.

I don't like Donald Trump. I can say that, and not have to worry about getting banned. I can also go into detail about why I don't like Donald Trump, explain exactly how bad I think Donald Trump is, and not have to worry about getting banned because I don't hate Donald Trump enough.

I can also say crazy hateful things like "I think it's a mistake to pretend women were allowed to fight in WWII in large numbers and on the front lines" or "I don't think white people should ever use the N word, but I also think it would be best if black people decided to stop using it as well," and not worry about getting banned.

If you honestly think THIS was a time when NeoGAF was a better place, I don't know what to tell you. Just because something is more popular doesn't make it better.

 

[DCharlie]

:O WTH DChalie is back?

Damn, this is some GoT type of plot twist, well, except members come back to life here.

Crazy times my friend - crazy times. Wait until i start doing podcasts again :O (joke... not a joke?)

 

[Phoenix RISING]

Sorry to hear mate, if you think they were unfairly banned you should raise it with EvilLore.

Those folks got banned after #showergate, well after all the account suicides. The kind of ban where your last post get deleted, so the average user doesn't get closure. They gone.

And he didn't say all gays were gays because of that. While it could be that he is using some fake-ass anecdotical evidence to get his possibly prejudiced view to be heard, I don't think it's impossible either that he was telling the truth about some gays saying that is the reason for them. That's what his post at face value was: that he has talked to gays who have implied that at least to them it is like that. Then he tried to rationalize it by his own view that men want submissive women and that could be the reason for men to turn to other men when women are getting too strong and or too complicated. That's it when read at face value, but of course he could've been disingenuous there too and at the very least sociopolitically motivated.

EDIT:
And it also could be that what he said was true but that the gay guys were joking about it themselves and he didn't get the joke.

I ain't got time for semantic gymnastics. He said what he said.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

There is a deep divide between the left and right in OT. Eventually one or the other is going to leave.

It will be a real shame if that happens. The ideal outcome is the moderators manage to do a good job of allowing debates while getting rid of extremists on both sides who resort to personal attacks and what not and can't discuss things civilly. That's a damn tall order, I know. But from what I've gathered in my brief time back that seems to be the goal and it's an admirable one.

 

[Airola]

I ain't got time for semantic gymnastics. He said what he said.

Fair enough.

 

[bitbydeath]

Those folks got banned after #showergate, well after all the account suicides. The kind of ban where your last post get deleted, so the average user doesn't get closure. They gone.

If you remember the account names it could still be worth EviLore looking into.

 

[appaws]

I understand revisiting bans and whatnot but not so much turning the place into a standing room for r/the_donald. But I guess if Tyler wanted to keep this place alive after what happened it was the only receptive demographic he could turn to.

The recent political compass seems to indicate that this is not true. The difference is that there are a small group of posters from the right, myself included, who are now not afraid to post in topics the way we were before.

 

[It's Jeff]

There is a deep divide between the left and right in OT. Eventually one or the other is going to leave.

You know, I thought it would be just that for a second. Moderation stepped in and said to cool it with the personal attacks - and that happened shortly after. It fosters adult conversation. Here, you guys settle your differences, we're just going to referee in case somebody's hitting below the belt.

Believe what you want, don't insult others in the presentation of those ideas, and don't dehumanize other people in the process (albeit, some people may have been crossing this line a bit).

Measure growth - the trending number of posts is the metric that matters.

 

[Arkage]

I also stated I have absolutely zero reason to trust why whites being a minority in their own countries is ever a good thing, as time has shown time and time again.

TIL Africa is actually a white person continent that is being overtaken by violent black invaders. Your first link is actually an edited, inaccurate quote. His entire quote in context:

There's no crime I've committed. I've never slapped a white person, I've never called for their slaughter. I've never called for their killing, at least for now. I can't guarantee the future. I'm saying to you, not under my leadership will we call for the slaughter of white people. I don't know whose coming after me. I will not speak for them. They are alarmists, they are crybabies, they are attention seekers, no one is going to slaughter them. The farm attacks [are] just an act of crime; it's not a genocide on white people. We are concerned. Even in the farms there where black workers are killed, should we now be alarmist and say there is genocide of black farm workers? No, it's a crime.

While still inflammatory, the full context is much different than your edited, poached quote you're copy-pasting in service of racist partisan politics. Are you going to start talking about how colonialism and apartheid was actually good for black people too? The racial violence that was inflicted upon black people during white colonialism and apartheid certainly makes their current perspective on racial violence understandable, even if still unethical.

I was told blacks had all their wealth taken away by the KKK. Which is obvious bullshit, since that would place the KKK on the same level as communist governments who confiscated people's wealth for years.

https://www.citymetric.com/skylines...n-american-landowners-create-central-park-893
https://daily.jstor.org/the-devastation-of-black-wall-street/
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/15/opinion/how-segregation-destroys-black-wealth.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/02/the-origins-of-the-racial-wage-gap/461892/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-property-criminals-forfeitures-a7846441.html

The KKK is only one part of a multifaceted, historically racist economic and political system that is called America.

There is absolutely nothing unique or historically different about blacks living in the USA that causes a group to fail compared to Whites who lived under the Soviets, or the Chinese who lived under Mao. And before you say "but other races got help!" I can post examples of blacks receiving help too but the results still being the same.

So you're just going to pretend the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, 60s civil rights killings, neighborhood destruction, the 90s on drugs criminalizing primarily poor young black men over weed that don't have the money to fight charges, being put in jail with felons only to turn into hardened criminals themselves in the process.... all of these things are not a "unique, historically different" environment? Please take some history classes.

 

[Papa]

To be fair, the site is still very much in the process of trying to bounce back from the mass exodus. It's good that people are sticking around and helping shape what it evolves into. This place skewed very political and very to the right in the intital months after that and is starting to become more balanced as more people return, new people sign up etc.

It would be nice to see it turn into being a games first site again when is all said and done, rather than politics first like the other site and just with a more centrist or right leaning slant IMO. It's hard to find well moderated gaming forums these days as most are either politically dominated, or are full of fanboys/kids/trolls with most post being console flame wars.

I don't wholly disagree but would like to point out that a shift to the right doesn't mean that the forum overall is currently on the right.

 

[Dr. Claus]

I don't wholly disagree but would like to point out that a shift to the right doesn't mean that the forum overall is currently on the right.

Agreed. Shifting to the right, from a predominantly far-left stance, still settles us neatly on the left.

 

[Papa]

I understand revisiting bans and whatnot but not so much turning the place into a standing room for r/the_donald. But I guess if Tyler wanted to keep this place alive after what happened it was the only receptive demographic he could turn to.

You make it sound like he went over to the_donald and did a recruitment drive. In reality, what you're seeing is the return of the voices that previously left the forum, whether self- or mod-imposed, due to the sheer insanity of what was going on.

 

[JordanN]

TIL Africa is actually a white person continent that is being overtaken by violent black invaders.

No, but whites in those countries were the ones who built infrastructure that made those countries succeed.

Your first link is actually an edited, inaccurate quote. His entire quote in context:

While still inflammatory, the full context is much different than your edited, poached quote you're copy-pasting in service of racist partisan politics. Are you going to start talking about how colonialism and apartheid was actually good for black people too? The racial violence that was inflicted upon black people during white colonialism and apartheid certainly makes their current perspective on racial violence understandable, even if still unethical.

So it's ok to kill white people because of stuff that happened in the past? And you wonder why I don't want to see white people become a minority.

The KKK is only one part of a multifaceted, historically racist economic and political system that is called America.

Then Africa must be even more racist then. Because the purported wealth made by Black Americans today greatly exceeds that of several African countries 10x over. We also still see African immigration to the USA for prosperity & wealth, and not vice versa.

So you're just going to pretend the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, 60s civil rights killings, neighborhood destruction, the 90s on drugs criminalizing primarily poor young black men over weed that don't have the money to fight charges, being put in jail with felons only to turn into hardened criminals themselves in the process.... all of these things are not a "unique, historically different" environment?

Because no other race has ever been enslaved, segregated or killed?

 

[Arkage]

No, but whites in those countries were the ones who built infrastructure that made those countries succeed.

So it's ok to kill white people because of stuff that happened in the past? And you wonder why I don't want to see white people become a minority.

Then Africa must be even more racist then. Because the purported wealth made by Black Americans today greatly exceeds that of several African countries 10x over. We also still see African immigration to the USA for prosperity & wealth, and not vice versa.

Because no other race has ever been enslaved, segregated or killed?

Because this seems way off topic this will be my last response on this.

1) Whites didn't build the infrastructure in "those countries" in Africa, black slaves did, which white people exploited. Hint: you can build a bunch of cool useful infrastructures and cities when you utilize a highly organized slavery system that becomes the foundation of the economy.

2) It's not OK to kill white people because of stuff that happened in the past, which is literally why I said it was unethical. And this example has next to nothing to do with America, as Latinos, Asians, and multiracial individuals are growing at a much faster rate than either Blacks or Whites, which are the two slowest growing populations. In other words, don't worry, black people aren't going to come kill you in your sleep when the white population slips below the 50% threshold.

3) Many of the populations in Africa don't have their life revolve around a capitalist/wealth collection system like we do. They live their lives in a much different way, independent of wealth metrics. This doesn't mean they're "racist"

 

[James T. Kirk]

*Reads thread title, reads last post, wonders what the fuck's been going on*

 

[DeepEnigma]

This shit is getting way off topic in here, lol.

Maybe make a thread on the current political climate in South Africa and continue there?

 

[JordanN]

*Reads thread title, reads last post, wonders what the fuck's been going on*

Well I did say I avoided going into these conversations because I knew what would be taken out of context.

But I get annoyed seeing my name plastered everywhere and people start spreading a false narrative about me.

 

[SpartanN92]

You wanna know how much better this forum is now?

I voted for Donald Trump and I would do it again.

Wow! I haven't been banned!

 

[Chairman Tickles]

lol. That was funnysad Bryan. Sad that it even made sense.

*knock knock*

Hey...it's me...Pepe. Heard you got a forum in there.

*knock knock* please let me in.

 

[The Incarnation]

Better than the other one, which is a facade of a gaming forum, an ultra leftwing version of Stormfront.

People utterly incapable of forgiveness.

Hope the woes of the world torment the fuckers.

 

[Papa]

Better than the other one, which is a facade of a gaming forum, an ultra leftwing version of Stormfront.

People utterly incapable of forgiveness.

Hope the woes of the world torment the fuckers.

That's actually a really good comparison.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Agreed. Shifting to the right, from a predominantly far-left stance, still settles us neatly on the left.

Jup. Like I said many times before is that, thing is, when you read far-left stance only for such a long time with everything being banned immediately, just reading occasional slightly-right stance openly makes you think there is a shift to the right.

Well, nope, it's not. That's how it should be. We need all opinions for proper discourse.

 

[oagboghi2]

I didn't want to call you out personally, but I mentioned this earlier in the thread.

*cringe*




After EviLore pointed out to me that gaming gets more traffic than OT, I go into the thread about gaming journalism, and they're doing the same bitching in that thread about SJWs at Kotaku and Waypoint as people do over here with "SJW left wingers."

Another person said that they wouldn't even think that deeply about the games they play if someone hadn't written an article on them. Now this user was very vague, so I resisted the urge to say something cheeky about their ability to discern deeper meanings of things. But not everyone has been formally trained like I was, to find the ideological underpinnings of even the most innocuous thing, such as a Mario game. Lots of people find that annoying, to turn something "brainless" into a philosophical quandary; nothing else, however, gives me more personal satisfaction.

There's really not much to add to what @Trey said. He pretty much wrote the Magnum Opus of the state of things.

How many thousands of dollars have you paid to obtain that level of arrogance?

I'm not suggesting you should leave, but if you're so unhappy here, why stay? Genuine question, because I don't understand why you would hang around somewhere that makes you miserable. It's masochistic to an extent.

Edit: Pretty sure I'm one of the people that made Phoenix's block list. Hilarious.

Because he looks down at other people inthe forum. That is my theory

 

[oagboghi2]

3) Many of the populations in Africa don't have their life revolve around a capitalist/wealth collection system like we do. They live their lives in a much different way, independent of wealth metrics. This doesn't mean they're "racist"

Okay I have to cut in. I've heard this lie spun a thousand different ways (I'm Nigerian) and it's annoying. Africa absolutely revolves around "wealth collection" or whatever. Our continents history is soaked with war, savagery, slavery and everything, before, during and after colonization. The "noble savage" argument is an embarrassing argument, and you should be embarrassed of yourself trying to peddle it.

 

[Papa]

How many thousands of dollars have you paid to obtain that level of arrogance?

Because he looks down at other people inthe forum. That is my theory

Oh wow, I missed that bit. The temerity required to speak down to people because you've been trained to apply your activist indoctrination to fucking Mario is mindblowing. <insert> Studies degrees are a cancer; they're nothing more than participation degrees for the participation trophy generation. I'm gobsmacked that someone could brag about overanalysing the ideological underpinnings of Mario that an unwashed peasant could never understand. And to bury himself in debt while doing it, just wow...

 

[Papa]

Okay I have to cut in. I've heard this lie spun a thousand different ways (I'm Nigerian) and it's annoying. Africa absolutely revolves around "wealth collection" or whatever. Our continents history is soaked with war, savagery, slavery and everything, before, during and after colonization. The "noble savage" argument is an embarrassing argument, and you should be embarrassed of yourself trying to peddle it.

Wait what? Something is messed up with your quote. I never said that; it was Arkage .

Can you fix your quote? I don't want that associated with me haha.

 

[MayauMiao]

Hello, everyone. I left gaf about the time of the great schism. Back then, the forum was pretty cancerous, and the moderation staff extremely incompetent. If anyone else from that time is still around, how is the forum now as opposed to before? Sorry for the low-effort post.

Better than ResetERA. At least I don't have to worry about getting banned if I post something that may offend someone.

 

[Ke0]

I don't usually respond to these posts but because it's now turning into a fake narrative that is disturbingly being treated as true, let me say something.

I said I despise victim-hood analogies. If part of those victimhood strategies is to place all problems within the black community on whites, then I'm clearly against this. Someone elses feelings not liking the sheer facts I've brought up in the past that indeed, black people have never once been the only oppressed group in history then that's their problem not mine. I also stated I have absolutely zero reason to trust why whites being a minority in their own countries is ever a good thing, as time has shown time and time again. And no, people haven't shown me sources that refute or contradict what I've said. If anything, more people have ignored my sources or treated them as "pseudoscience" despite research on these subjects have gone on for decades.

Mate most of your posts are you whining about white Americans being treated unfairly or having a rough go at things because of others. White victimhood is all you ever talk about, that, wanting an ethnostate, and your weird obsession with black people voicing their complaints about the country.

 

[MilkyJoe]

It's better than that purple place. Full of lunatics, so it be.

 

[strange headache]

Agreed. Shifting to the right, from a predominantly far-left stance, still settles us neatly on the left.

Indeed, the assertion that this forum has become alt-right is absolutely ridiculous. People need to take a look at the political compass topic and see for themselves. Scopa did a good job aggregating the numbers:

Current count:

Left/Libertarian 59
Right/Authoritarian 7
Left/Authoritarian 2
Right/Libertarian 19
Left/Right/Libertarian 3
Left/Right/Authoritarian 1
Dead centre 1
Left/Libertarian/Authoritarian 1
Right/Libertarian/Authoritarian 2

Total = 95 people

What this forum is witnessing are lots of moderate left leaning people finally speaking out against the far-left militants now that they are allowed to speak. Past forum moderation has been fighting hard to silence those people to make it seem as if their political radicalism is the default left position. Now that a broader spectrum of views and arguments are allowed, the forum has managed to become more politically moderate, which is a good thing.

Yes, we also have gained a few right leaning people. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that and as long as they don't fall into any kind of extremism, I'm fine sharing this forum with them. Diversity of mind is a good thing and I like reading opinions that are contrary to mine. I may oftentimes not agree with their opinions, but I'm nevertheless interested in hearing their arguments. It allows me to reflect on my own and to hone my debating skills. I don't think that people who are conservatives or right leaning are automatically evil and need to be purged. Conversely, your political affiliation with the left doesn't automatically make you a good person either.

That sort of political hate needs to stop, but most people are too busy making grand assumptions about strangers on the internet based on a couple of comments. That mindset alone generates more toxicity than any argument or heated debate ever could.

 

[Lanrutcon]

I prefer the new forum.

We got rid of a lot of crazy during the shift. Like, actual crazy.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Still too much politics on the gaming side but it's more respectful than before.

 

[captainraincoat]

Hate to drag out the old "Those damn millennials" line but i suspect much of the angst/hate around left/right is lack of life experience

I guess age brings wisdom and as im nearly 40 i have learnt that shit dont always go the way you want it to and the longer you fight it the more pain it will cause
and no amount of bitching/moaning/reasoning will change some people

As soon as you accept everyone for who they are and what they believe in ...you dont have to agree with them but life is soooooo much easier when you just flow with it

 

[Skyn3t]

Almost 40 and playing games? Fake

 

[captainraincoat]

Almost 40 and playing games? Fake

Once a gamer always a gamer......my kids are avid gamers as well...just got to get them to realise there are other games apart from fortnite and roblox