Ah, "both sides are the same" can be used anywhere by the ignorant
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Reuters: US officials say deadly Yemen operation approved without sufficient intel
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Ah, "both sides are the same" can be used anywhere by the ignorant
SyenceLabb
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Well. He has a point, you know.
On surface level, for sure. But you'd have to ignore the contextual information of each event to claim that they're both the same.
LegendofJoe
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There aren't that many female terrorists. I highly doubt she would have joined AQ down the road. Now if her family was innocent and killed by accident while she survived? The odds of that happening go up dramatically. There's no such thing as acceptable civilian casualties.
TheOfficeMut
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This tangerine does everything without sufficient intel
lect.
jellies_two
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I feel now the arrest Hillary trump todo item has been shuffled down his list because it requires "subversion of the rule of law" to be done first.
He is making it more and more clear he is gonna hit on every campaign promise.'of which lock her up was one of the biggest.
sugarhigh4242
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I'm not going to do a "where were you..." thing, but C'MON. If you're horrified by this, then understand that it's BIPARTISAN. If you don't want your government tag-teaming Yemen with a bunch of fucking zealot Saudis jackals, we need to build independent organizations for resistance. You cannot solve this problem by voting.
jellies_two
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What I am horrified by is the pentagon has thrown their commander in chief under the bus.
That's the only way these embarrassing details have been widely spread..
He screwed up so badly nobody else is being a fall guy for it.
That's the horror, that this idiot is able to make military decisions and have them carried out over the better instincts of smarter people.
Yes that's how things are setup doesn't make it any better to know if this lunatic says jump off a cliff them nobody can talk him out of it.
sugarhigh4242
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Saudi kings have been getting their rocks off in Yemen, massacring Houthis with US support for almost 2 years. If you think it's scary that the pentagon can't say no to Trump, what about Obama not being able to say no to these public-beheading fucks?
This is a national disgrace that long pre-dates Trump. I'm not saying you can't criticize it now if you didn't criticize it under Obama, but understand the magnitude of the problem. Trump didn't create it, he's just making it worse.
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The Autumn Wind
No one is arguing the situation in Yemen. This thread is about this specific raid which leaks say was carried out with insufficient intel and rushed into by Trump after Obama had refused to authorize for the same reason. The results speak for themselves.
sugarhigh4242
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Sorry if this is a strawman, but if you think the operations in Yemen are generally being carried out with "sufficient intel", I don't know what to tell you. This war is a fucking shit show.
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The Autumn Wind
I wouldn't expect any less from you.
sugarhigh4242
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Probably one of those days at the White House.
"Obama shot Bin Laden didn't he?"
"Uhm, sir, not technically n~"
"I also wanna shoot a Bin Laden, a big Bin Laden, huge one."
"Sir, Bin Laden is dead."
"Then find me a better Bin Laden! Someone who isn't a looser okay?! Who doesn't die like a looser! And then shoot him. And then put my name on him so people know I shot him."
"Obama shot Bin Laden didn't he?"
"Uhm, sir, not technically n~"
"I also wanna shoot a Bin Laden, a big Bin Laden, huge one."
"Sir, Bin Laden is dead."
"Then find me a better Bin Laden! Someone who isn't a looser okay?! Who doesn't die like a looser! And then shoot him. And then put my name on him so people know I shot him."
Wouldn't that be Trump himself?
kame-sennin
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Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30...emen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/
WeAreStarStuff
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I really hope Trump didn't talk about his crowd size when talking to the dead soldier's family.
kame-sennin
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Obama killed one of the victim's father and 15 year-old brother. But I'm sure Hillary would have spared the rest of the family.
Well, that would have been a far easier fight for you if there weren't 20 other issues popping up to fight right now that COULD have been avoided by voting.
Guess who decided that voting against the other 20 in November didn't matter?
Edit: you know what? I shouldn't. There is a bipartisan issue on killing civilians, and I'm being a dick.
You are not going to change your mind on voting, and picking this fight again over dead kids is wrong.
Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30...emen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/
Fuck.....
orthodoxy1095
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I mean, I guess this is just a plain counterterrorism op, sure. But it did happen contextually within Yemen where there is an active war situation and terrorism crisis that we have been engaged in since Obama and Bush's administrations respectively.
And of course, her father as well. Both citizens.
Once you start using "the greater good" as an excuse for civilian deaths, you can start doing a lot of nasty things.
Come on now. What are you adding to the conversation with this image? If it's a joke, it's not funny.
sugarhigh4242
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I'm fine with this kind of argument, fwiw.
And I'm not saying people *shouldn't* vote. I'm saying you can't get at this issue by voting. Just like you can't vote against the interests of Goldman Sachs. Either way, they're going to end up in the cabinet.
Vote for the lesser evil if you want, vote for a 3rd party that matches your politics if you want, don't vote if you want.
Regardless, we need to do *more* than voting. We need to be engaged politically all the time. We need to build new organizations of resistance and empower existing ones. Even if you're a die-hard Democratic voter, you can't limit your civic activity to once every 2 years and expect it to change anything.
And those that support him will call him the greatest with no substantive reasoning.
TheRagnCajun
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Hillary has a 30+ political career and they find one incident to criticize which is debatable. Trump has had a 2 week political career and here we are.
sugarhigh4242
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Clinton was directly involved in giving the Saudis the arms and assistance to carry out this war with the Houthis, and took between 10 and 25 M from the Kingdom for her own foundation.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals
A person who thinks there aren't legitimate criticisms of Hillary Clinton isn't a serious political observer. They're a cultist.
Triggerhappytel
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It's not right to laugh about this kind of thing, but this comment is on point.
Trump is an egotistical incompetent cowardly orange sack of sewage.
Man Called Aerodynamics
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There will be many more public screw-ups to come, possibly with severe consequences. I wonder, if his malice is not enough to make his supporters turn on him, if eventually his incompetence will be.
TheRagnCajun
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I was referring more specifically to her 'Benghazi scandal' and her judgement in that case compared to what we are seeing from Trump. It was foolish to think that Trump would have made a better decision in that circumstance, and he's proving it now...but please don't let me stop you from attacking that strawman. Both sides and all that.
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The Autumn Wind
It's literally all he does in every thread.
"But Hillary..."
The worst type of political activist.
LegendofJoe
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It shouldn't be a novel concept that we have an out of control military industrial complex. I'm hopeful that Trump jolting the EU into action will make it poltically easier for us down the road to downsize our military.
OG_Original Gamer
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LOL
sugarhigh4242
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"Hillary has a 30+ political career and they find one incident to criticize"
Trump (who i hate, if that's not clear) has made many legitimate criticisms of Clinton throughout the campaign. He criticized her support for the Iraq war (regardless of his own tortured position):
He criticized her corrupt relationship with Wall St (again regardless of his own appointments of Goldman Sachs execs):
And he criticized the influence Clinton Foundation donors had on the state dept:
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004612187/trump-criticizes-clinton-foundation.html
Trump is a fucking clown, he's a hypocrite, he's a liar, etc. But these are all legitimate criticisms. If you just want to ignore all of them, you're never going to understand why a reality television star and white nationalist is now the president of the United States.
It doesn't matter that Trump is doing the same shit because his supporters are not going to hold him accountable.
Just like Obama+Clinton liberals did not hold their idols accountable.
sugarhigh4242
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I think the bunker mentality driving Trump and his close advisors is highly likely to do the opposite. Look at North Korea's military spending relative to GDP.
SporeCrawler
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he did it for murica so its okay
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(benghazi anyone?)
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(benghazi anyone?)
Damn. So NYT got it wrong with:
kame-sennin
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Poor little girl.
And her brother. And her father. And the grandfather left behind wondering why the U.S. felt the need to wipe out two generations of his family.
Trojita
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I feel bad for the son and daughter and the grandfather that has to deal with this, but Anwar al-Awlaki was a grade a fucko.
But then again you were the person okay with rioters burning a limo with a man inside.
Lol fucking spicer said trump made the call on it.
We are living in a world where they just say whatever the fuck they want that works in their favor at any given time.
Alternative facts as we see fit. Shut it media.
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I mean, that is exactly what Trump did throughout the entirety of his campaign. Nothing seems to stick, though.
orthodoxy1095
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I find whether Anwar al-Awlaki was or was not a "grade a fucko" irrelevant in the face of the fact that he was most certainly an American citizen.
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