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[Particle Physicist]

Coverage of foreign policy, which is dominated by the turmoil in the Middle East, is owned and operated by Israel. You will never see honest coverage of Israel's transgressions. Israel is consistently painted as the victim, when she is, in fact, the catalyst for the carnage sweeping that region.

thats complete BS. just because the owners of some of the news corps happen to be jews, doesnt mean israel controls them.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Are you serious? I guess you must of missed that thread started by Bishoptl a few days ago, and everything else leading up to and after the U.S elections.

okay. lets try this another way. having the government feed the media false information, is very different from owning and controlling them. if you cant see the differences, then there is no point in furthering this argument.

 

[Azih]

quad we're not talking about the government controlling the damn media, we're talking about rich corporations and some ultra rich businessmen controlling it.

What makes you think the institution of government is the only powerful entity that's interested in controlling public opinion?

Edit: Er or at least I am.

 

[Instigator]

thats what gets me.. i would say that the media in europe and america is more 'free' than in other parts of the world.

So, what is your point? That the media here is somehow less evil and we should all drop on our knees and be very thankful for that? It doesn't really matter if it is or not, because decisions made in Washington, London, Berlin or Brussels affect us Westerners and most likely the rest of the world in a very big way.

The world is changing, there are some rising powers, but the West as a whole still controls most of the levers and has the most of the wealth of the world. That's why media influence matters vastly more here than it does in Karachi, Khartum or Dakar, because it affects policy, policies felt worldwide. Yeah, there are some rotten hell holes here and there, but I know I don't want to be part of one and complacency is the first step into the abyss.

Now, if you somehow view yourself as a *realist* and say the world is dog-eat-dog kind of place, then you will see nothing wrong with this and will probably think it's better us on top than them. But otherwise, you would not accept to be manipulated like this and not content yourself that your media is *not as bad as elsewhere*. You'd want accountability, you'd demand the truth, you'd demand that your democracy lives up to its ideals and not shadowly serve some elites that simply don't care about you or anyone else. You'd want a better world, starting right here which is bound to rub off elsewhere.

 

[Mejilan]

Israel did a good job with Iraq's back in the early 80s!

 

[Incognito]

fuck it..

 

[FightyF]

Ahahahaha. A message of goodwill, that's cute. Who was the "they" you're referring to who sent it? Unless it was sent by the Ayatollah Khameini the other clerics who actually rule Iran, it's meaningless. Reformers like Khatami can dress up as Lady Liberty and sashay down the streets of Tehran singing Lee Greenwood songs for all it's worth, it doesn't matter if the clerics who actually hold the power still lead crowds chanting Death to the Great Satan.

Yeah...you pretty much have no understanding of the Iranian population...but you sure do like to generalize and try to paint them all as evil Anti-Americans. The fact remains that prior to Bush's statements, Iran and the US had a relationship that was growing friendly.

And yes, I'm obviously an ignorant racist because I don't support giving nuclear warheads to fundamentalist Islamic theocracies. While we're making gross generalizations, I'm going to go ahead and assume you're a mindless twerp teenager. Keep on fighting the man, you rebel you!

Well, thanks for admitting it. Because first off, you would have to be ignorant to think that there's something wrong with their Islamic Theocracy when it comes to their foriegn policy, which has never included threats to other nations. You would have to be ignorant to think that the clerics that actually hold power want to use these missiles against the US.

Ignorance...really, the perfect word to sum up your posts.

thats what gets me.. i would say that the media in europe and america is more 'free' than in other parts of the world.

It depends on the issue. I'm sure you'll agree, when it comes to issues such as sports...the home team ALWAYS gets the spotlight and is put in a favourable manner. The same applies to World news to some extent. Plus, owners do like to force their opinions on the writers and want their papers to share that opinion.

Recently, iit was obvious that papers in America did little to question Bush's plans for invading Iraq.

wow, easy to see which side of the debate you sit on. Ethnic cleansing - that's a little more than a stretch to equate what is happening in Israel/Palestine to what happened in Nazi Germany and Yugoslavia.

Well it's easy to see that you didn't read my post.

The difference between those circumstances (which involve mass graves) to the Palestinian one is that it wasn't as systematic. But the end result WAS hundreds of thousands of displaced Palestinians by the use of military force. To deny that is to deny reality.

And yes, you're position on the Palestinians is completely one-sided and ignores the role that the rest of the Arab nations have taken in the current Palestinian plight. Let's not forget the promises of the Egyptian / Saudi Arabian /etc. governments to drive Israel into the sea shortly after it's creation and return the land back to the "rightful" muslim owners.

I've made a post regarding my position...and it's not in this thread. I was just replying to Peedi's comments. God, what's with the idiots who fail to read through posts?! I'll forgive you this time since I did it twice in one day a few days ago.

thats complete BS. just because the owners of some of the news corps happen to be jews, doesnt mean israel controls them.

That's very true. But there are some clear instances where owners can influence how the entire corporation runs. Coincidently the one I'm going to mention involved a die-hard Zionist. The former owner of CanWest/Global, Israel Asper, has recieved many complaints from his former staff that were fired or reprimanded for writing newspaper articles that seemed sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. He was notorious for his first action as owner, to remove an article from the Ottawa Citizen because it was an interview with a Palestinian Priest. He owns half the papers and TV channels in Canada, and they are getting a lot of complaints for being racist.

In that situation, it's very cut and dry and he was open about it.

In the same way, I'm sure the owners of FOX have their own agenda, primarily based on views ignorant hicks would have. Obviously nothing to do with Jews as Peedi would put it. But it's clear that there is an agenda that comes down from the top.