nib95 said:
Ami argued earlier that there is no good in religion, that it is all poison. And that it is not harmless which somehow gave some entitlement to bash the hell out of my belief in it (I am not a Christian mind so half the stuff he said doesn't even relate, there is a reason I chose Islam over Christianity).
What gives me entitlement to bash religion is the fact that it's a hypothesis for creation, which requires the stern analysis of a rational and reasoned mind. Now the place you choose your God - one of the big three Abrahamic Religions - is easily disproved as false. Virtually everything in these books is either historically inaccurate, scientifically impossible or logically disastrous. But, alas, this isn't enough for religious folk today - they'll decide to pick which is metaphor, what is real, what is and is not symbolic as it fits their requirements for not seeming like nutcases on any given day.
The point is, religion DOES poison everything. Religion IS a malignant influence on society today. And incidentally, religion - at least, any thing even remotely resembling the various religions we have on this Earth today - are all easily disproven by the near endless factually incorrect statements within said books, things which would not happen if these texts were even remotely guided by a deity. And if they weren't, and they're just the work of man, why believe in them with so much bullshit?
If I wrote a book about dragons and you could not independently verify that any part of it is historically accurate, why would you follow it? You wouldn't, of course, because your rational brain tells you that's silly. Well, Islam is exactly that silly. Christianity is exactly that silly. Judaism is precisely that silly. Hinduism and Buddhism and Zoroastrianism and whatever the fuck else is out there,
is just as silly.
No matter how much you cry about it, though, it's not an attack on you. If I said FUCK Muhammad - and, by the way, it's a sentiment I fully agree with - it's an attack on a man, just a man, who led billions astray with his false teachings. It may have been good for desert goat herders, but it certainly is dangerous for society today. Religion, is the problem.
And if you personally feel attacked for an attack on your religion, once again...that's unfortunate. But religion will receive no quarter because sensitive individuals are attached to it. It needs be critiqued like any other hypothesis for creation, whether you like it or not. Unless you can give a good reason why it shouldn't be, it will always continue.
nib95 said:
To me that kind of thinking in itself is poisonous. I am religious, and as far as I can tell, religion has never compelled me to do harm on to anyone. In-fact, if I had properly followed my religion, I'd have even more reason to do less harm, more charity (I already do a fair bit), be more respectful to my parents, family, friends, fellow man etc.
If you had
properly followed your religion, you'd want to kill a lot more than you do! By pretending these versus don't exist or that everyone has the improper context somehow, it makes one seem hopelessly indoctrinated. Which, of course, you are. Do you know how many versus in the Qu'ran contain some inference toward killing infidels? And not just some sort of laughable interpretation of what the word means, I mean direct reference to non-believers requiring brutal deaths. You probably do know all about this. I know it's over a hundred, although I don't remember the exact count.
And yet you arbitrarily decide to quote some other parts of the book to try to act like Islam is peaceful and a great moral guide. That's hogwash. Just like the Bible, it's filled with grotesque acts of horror, unspeakably awful moral guideposts and, like the Bible, it requires a complete shutdown of logical faculties to try to pretend like this is the sort of thing we should be following in modern society.
The reason you "chose" Islam is as arbitrary as anyone who chose Christianity - they're both violent religions with genocidal Gods who endorse the killing of people who don't think or act like you do. As crude as you think I am, I bet you never heard me say I think all muslims should die. No, I just think their institutions need to be removed from the world. I hope all people who follow that unfortunate religion peace and prosperity and the eventual ability to be free from the corrupted influences of these malign religions.
nib95 said:
And my gripe was with Amir0x's method of delivering his opinions or dealing with opposing one's in this thread, not his beliefs (Atheism) themselves, which is why I debated as much. Essentially I found his method of debating this subject (like most) abhorrent and called him out for it.
If you did it that tactfully I'd not have said a word. Instead, for pages and pages it's, all religion is poison, it's always harmful, no good comes of it, God is a retard, an idiot, it's a bullshit laughable mockery and farce that should be mocked, people who love the Bible have their brains switched off etc etc.
Because, I'm sorry, the God of the Abrahamic holy books is a horrifying thing, a morally reprehensible individual who variously endorses infanticide, genocide, rape, racism, slavery, killing of infidels and a near endless list of other horrors. And if that isn't someone you think is "a retard" and a "laughable farce" that is worthy of derision, one realizes immediately how dangerous such an irrational belief is.
Because it allows people to think that is OK.
