AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
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NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
I haven't gotten around to watching the new episodes yet, but were those TOR leaks true so far?
Burger
Member
What leaks?
Tams
Member
Not giving Amazon the viewing numbers for utter shite like that, especially shite that is a mockery of a masterpiece of the English language and mythos.
Also, I have better things to do.
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
SPY REPORT: Rings of Power Season 2 expands on Sauron in huge new ways
Fans are fired up over potential story leaks for The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power season 2 on Prime Video
www.theonering.net
ManaByte
Member
SPY REPORT: Rings of Power Season 2 expands on Sauron in huge new ways
Fans are fired up over potential story leaks for The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power season 2 on Prime Video
Nope
This is true but the third is just in the first episode in a flashback at the beginning.
Bullshit
This season is the Dwarven rings. It seems like they debate making the rings for men but it doesn’t look like that or the One happen in these episodes.
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NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
Thank god. Some of those were super dumb
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
You'd literally have to pay me to watch this. I bailed out after the first episode of season 1. Time is precious.
SidViscous
Member
I remembered this being awful but watched S02E01 anyway (or is It a double episode?) and quite enjoyed it, the vistas and music are on point, main negative is it feels like I've watched this all before, they really draw some plot points out despite it being painfully obvious what's going to happen, even watching the preview for the rest of the season had zero surprises or intrigue, the show runners really have no imagination.
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Oberstein
Member
Well, okay, it's complicated to talk about this series because it attracts epidermal reactions. Sometimes overly so, dare I say. On the other hand, yes, there are some almost anti-Tolkien things, but this is clearly modern fiction. You have to take them as such, otherwise you go mad.
Visually, it's a splendor. Honestly, that was already the case in the first season (with the exception of a few unfortunate cases of armor), but this is even better. The money just oozes off the screen. The sets are sumptuous, the Grey Havens are drop-dead gorgeous, several shots are splendid, and so on.
The writing has improved (not everywhere, though, alas) and the pacing (though again, not perfect) is a little better.
A few points
Well, the thing is, this series is above all visual. It doesn't really tell much of anything. So yes, it's better in many ways, but for the moment it's in the same vein as the previous season, better in many ways, but not enough to make it exceptional. I don't think there will be many more viewers than before. We'll see if Amazon can afford it over 5 seasons...
Visually, it's a splendor. Honestly, that was already the case in the first season (with the exception of a few unfortunate cases of armor), but this is even better. The money just oozes off the screen. The sets are sumptuous, the Grey Havens are drop-dead gorgeous, several shots are splendid, and so on.
The writing has improved (not everywhere, though, alas) and the pacing (though again, not perfect) is a little better.
A few points
- The intro sequence is both astonishing and bizarre... In season 1, Sauron was already armed, but here he's being killed outright by orcs. Okay, there are a few references in Tolkien's writings to the orcs not giving a damn about him (not all of them), but killing him is a pretty big deal.
- Galadriel chasing after Elrond's purse made me explode with laughter. A woman desperate for a man's dough, I can relate to that, okay, it was the rings.
- The Rhûn arc is boring as hell. Nothing good, everything bad.
- The Annatar revelation is... well done, honestly, nothing to complain about. It's well-constructed to get to that point, hats off to the actor.
- Cirdan is also perfect, brilliant and has an incredible aura on screen.
- Nori and her lesbian friend are horribly boring.
- The actor who plays Isildur is severely lacking in charisma, which is a pity because they're trying to make something of him, even if, once again, it's a filler.
- The dwarves' arc is passable, without more for the moment. Nothing extremely bad or great either.
- And, ah yes, baby orcs... for fuck's sake. They take the idea of softening the evil aspect too far... because that's how they're supposed to be!
- Galadriel chasing after Elrond's purse made me explode with laughter. A woman desperate for a man's dough, I can relate to that, okay, it was the rings.
- The Rhûn arc is boring as hell. Nothing good, everything bad.
- The Annatar revelation is... well done, honestly, nothing to complain about. It's well-constructed to get to that point, hats off to the actor.
- Cirdan is also perfect, brilliant and has an incredible aura on screen.
- Nori and her lesbian friend are horribly boring.
- The actor who plays Isildur is severely lacking in charisma, which is a pity because they're trying to make something of him, even if, once again, it's a filler.
- The dwarves' arc is passable, without more for the moment. Nothing extremely bad or great either.
- And, ah yes, baby orcs... for fuck's sake. They take the idea of softening the evil aspect too far... because that's how they're supposed to be!
Well, the thing is, this series is above all visual. It doesn't really tell much of anything. So yes, it's better in many ways, but for the moment it's in the same vein as the previous season, better in many ways, but not enough to make it exceptional. I don't think there will be many more viewers than before. We'll see if Amazon can afford it over 5 seasons...
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NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
I'll buy you GAF Gold
ManaByte
Member
The beginning was a flashback to how he got into his S1 form.
And yes, Cirdan is amazing. Not disappointed with Annatar either.
balls of snow
Member
Just realised I never finished the last episode of season 1. All that budget and still cant hire decent writers. Yeah yeah I know hotD s2 was not firing on all cylinders but the moment I put it on to the end credits of an episode, my phone stays far away from my eyes and hands.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
The biggest problem is that only 37% of viewers watch the series to the end. Those people won't come back for season 2.
I was done with RoP after watching two episodes, I'm out too.
Only 37% Of Viewers Finished Amazon's 'Rings Of Power,' Which Is Very Bad
Despite a billion dollar spend, the report says that just 37% of viewers finished Amazon's Rings of Power.
www.forbes.com
Insane Metal
Member
Will see, but I'm afraid of how it goes... and I enjoyed the first season (never read the books).
SirKicksalot
Member
That's how they breed in the lore but the Shagrat and Gorbag section shows they're not capable of strong attachment. Those two have some of the best dialogue and characterization in the books but shits hits the fan when they find Frodo.
Trogdor1123
Member
Sorry but what exactly are we holy shitting here?
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Orcs are evil. They don't have families. At least in the way Tolkien wrote them. This show obviously doesn't give a shit what Tolkien wrote.
Trogdor1123
Member
I see, definitely agree but let’s see how they actually enact it.
Orcs are definitely evil but my reading of the stuff was that there was no family bonds but that the young were “raised” still. Isn’t that what made the Uruk hai so foreign to even the orcs?
nightmare-slain
Gold Member
I’ve started watching it. only saw about half of the first episode and fell asleep. No, not because of the show lol. I had been awake for 46 hours.
Anyway, I must be one of the very few people who liked the first season. The hobbit scenes were boring though I’m glad they ditched them all except for Nori to focus on her and “Gandalf”.
I’m excited to watch it once I feel more awake. I’ve read the books and saw the movies but I’m just taking the show as it is without worrying about how faithful it is.
Anyway, I must be one of the very few people who liked the first season. The hobbit scenes were boring though I’m glad they ditched them all except for Nori to focus on her and “Gandalf”.
I’m excited to watch it once I feel more awake. I’ve read the books and saw the movies but I’m just taking the show as it is without worrying about how faithful it is.
Revolutionary
Member
Orcs are implied to have families but you can't really portray them in a sympathetic way because they're supposed to be innately evil, which is probably why Tolkien shied away from featuring them in the books.
Portraying them in this "daddy orc has to go off to war and leave mommy and baby orc" way is very stupid... which is quite on-brand for Rings of Power. Wouldn't be surprised if they're going for the "orcs are actually a misunderstood race" angle.
Portraying them in this "daddy orc has to go off to war and leave mommy and baby orc" way is very stupid... which is quite on-brand for Rings of Power. Wouldn't be surprised if they're going for the "orcs are actually a misunderstood race" angle.
ManaByte
Member
I don't care what anyone says, there's really nothing in this that's as offensive as shit they did in The Hobbit movies. When Gandalf goes to the High Fels and checks out Agmar's grave and they show a flashback of them burying him (WHICH NEVER HAPPENED BECAUSE THE MOTHERFUCKER NEVER DIED, HE BECAME A WRAITH AND THERE WAS NO BODY TO BURY) I want to throw my TV out the window. Then you have the WB execs going to Peter Jackson and saying "Hey, we really liked the Aragorn/Arwen romance in the LOTR movies; put one of those in the Hobbit", so they invented Tauriel and had her fall in love with a Dwarf ("Why does it hurt?", "Because it's real"...BARF).
I LOVE Martin Freeman as Bilbo, and I love how they really made Thorin the awesome king he was supposed to be. But there's so much in those movies that absolutely infuriates me. I don't think I've watched the Five Armies EE since it was first released.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Yeah, totally on the same page with you here. Peter and the team really missed the mark, despite having such a talented and well-realised cast—they were let down by some awful writing. I haven’t been able to bring myself to rewatch the movies either, aside from the occasional YouTube clip. The White Council vs. Nazgûl battle had so much potential, but it ended up being pretty disappointing. The dialogue was cringe-worthy, and the choreography just didn’t land. The only part of that scene that really stood out for me was Galadriel’s barefoot entrance—it had a certain grace that the rest of the scene lacked.
Awesome channel by a super nice guy but I thought he had a bit of a soft touch when it came to S1. I guess he didn't want to upset the Amazon apple cart which I totally understand. So I'm curious to see again whether he's going to take off the kid gloves this time or remain firmly diplomatic.
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NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
There is a good movie in there. Some of the fan edits are quite good. Ill never watch the theatrical edit ever again.
Otherwise, Id rather watch rankin bass
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Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Thanks for reminding me about the fan-edits. I'll give one of them a shot one day. I read on Reddit that the "The Battle of the Five Edit" is probably the one to watch but I'm open to suggestions.
nightmare-slain
Gold Member
Yeah I didn’t really like The Hobbit. I don’t think it was terrible as in I think it’s an alright action adventure fantasy trilogy and if you don’t care how faithful it is to the book or you have never read it. And I agree Martin Freeman was excellent as Bilbo.
It should never have been made into three movies. Two maybe would have been fine but the hobbit is such a short book they could have just made one 3 hour movie and released a <4 hour EE.
The Hobbit movies bothered me more because it’s based on a book so they just added a bunch of rubbish filler to get 3 movies worth. Rings of Power has more freedom to do its own thing with new characters and such. That and getting to see more of Sauron makes ROP way more interesting and exciting to me than the Hobbit movies. It’s not a perfect show but I’m enjoying it a lot so far.
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NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
I havent seen it but ill look into it. My favorite is Maple. I hear good things about M4 too
FeralEcho
Member
Amazon is like: Won't somebody think of the poor opressed evil orcs?!!
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Where is that implied?
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Artoris
Gold Member
come on be a man watch at least the first episode of season twoI wasn't able to watch more than 3 ep of season 1, let alone hate watching season 2
But i'm gonna enjoy reading people in here trashing this thing.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Revolutionary
Member
I'm not pretending to be a LOTR scholar, but if we think through it logically: orcs are technically corrupted elves, and elves procreate the same way that humans do. Therefore, orc families must exist in some capacity...
This video is a bit dry but it cites Tolkien and does a better job explaining than I could:
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
You need a to assume that they corrupted and created female elves too. Still see no evidence of female orcs or goblins nor the need of them since it is ultimately the power and nature of Melkor/Morgoth to corrupt and twist matter and nature… so corrupted elves grown from the earth so to speak too).
Oberstein
Member
Yes, baby orcs are just a bad idea. No matter how you try to interpret the missing holes in Tolkien's lore, corrupted creatures like that having a family life just doesn't fit.
I'm reminded of GRR Martin, who, beyond his work on GoT, has been talking nonsense about Lotr. He was wondering about the tax system in Aragorn's kingdom, or about baby orcs: should we kill them? I mean, it's completely stupid to ask these kinds of questions in Tolkien's universe, a world where the author deliberately chose to avoid putting temples or religions because of his Catholic faith.
That said, it's 5 seconds in the 3 hours, and I hope they don't push this idea too far.
I'm reminded of GRR Martin, who, beyond his work on GoT, has been talking nonsense about Lotr. He was wondering about the tax system in Aragorn's kingdom, or about baby orcs: should we kill them? I mean, it's completely stupid to ask these kinds of questions in Tolkien's universe, a world where the author deliberately chose to avoid putting temples or religions because of his Catholic faith.
That said, it's 5 seconds in the 3 hours, and I hope they don't push this idea too far.
DKehoe
Member
Why?
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I love that channel!
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
It gives me fuel and fire and that which I desire.
Insane Metal
Member
Artoris
Gold Member
this made my dog bark
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
Nowhere in the text is it implied orcs are grown. It IS implied they fuck though (i.e. Saruman breeding Orcs with men to create Uruk Hai)