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Belgand said:
I certainly hope this is "awesome indie bands that I know well but are not mainstream" as opposed to the far more likely "MTV made us put out this crap and it's all a marketing stunt for the store and for the shite music they're being paid to promote".
If they're as good as Lazy Eye of any of the Locksley songs, that'd be great. If they're more like, say, thenewno2, that'd be a little disappointing.

I guess you can't be realistic and expect Iron Maiden, the Doors, etc. I hope they get out Holiday in Cambodia as soon as possible.
 
AMUSIX said:
Also, I'll still not understand the people who look at the upcoming DLC and go "welp, nothing for me!" Why not wait to see the charts? Why not wait to see how fun any of the songs are? Or how well they work in the medium?
"But I don't listen to Motley Crue!" Looking at just the stuff on disk in the GH and RB games I can find dozens of tracks that I love playing by bands I would otherwise never listen to. Heck, I can find a bunch of songs that I DO like listening to that just aren't fun to play.

Well to defend my kind (although I'm kind of in the middle), I'll rarely buy songs from bands I don't like or don't know (though I did buy that Angels & Airwaves song which was bleh and the Locksley songs which were rad).

There's a few reasons behind this. If I'm playing with others, it helps so much if they're familiar with the songs, getting them to learn disc ones can be hard enough! Secondly, vocals. I can usually get away with playing fake guitar or fake drums to a song I'm not into, but you won't get me to do vocals. If nobody else will? that song just won't get play in multiplayer.

At the same time, for most of the songs I buy I still check out the charts beforehand. I won't buy a song that I dig if the charts aren't at least decent. Unless I LOOVEEE the songs, but so far they've all paid off :D
 
Archie said:

Thanks, I try. Plus, well, I do bitch a lot. Even if I'm not Costanza.

xbhaskarx said:
Yeah I've just never been a drinker, I haven't been into the straight edge scene for many years though.
What about you?

I never had any interest in it for a wide variety of reasons and adopted it as a handy label back as a freshman in high school when I got more involved in the local ska and punk scenes. I'm still with it now at 27 and I suspect I'll likely stay that way. I fundamentally don't understand the desire to have anything alter my consciousness or behavior in any way. At the same time my girlfriend can be rather shy, uptight, and inhibited so I could see where it could be useful (she doesn't drink either though), but I think the solution to that is to try and change those aspects personally rather than rely on something external.
 
Belgand said:
I rarely find that enjoy a song if I don't like the song. No matter what the chart is like. That said I was playing "CrushCrushCrush" yesterday and while I am still strongly opposed to Paramore it had a somewhat fun chart and wasn't entirely loathsome.

Nu-metal is the worst of this: terrible songs that are amazingly unfun and often challenging enough to just plain hurt my hands. They are pretty much the worst things to put in the game.

I think even those who dislike Paramore should be able to recognize that CrushCrushCrush is a fun song.

Yeah, nu-metal is the worst.
 
xbhaskarx said:
I think even those who dislike Paramore should be able to recognize that CrushCrushCrush is a fun song.

I still find that it's definitely not a good song and there are parts of it I really dislike, but there are also parts that I find tolerable and a few bits that are kinda fun. The charting is challenging in just the right sort of "doable, but not simplistic" manner that I tend to like.

Duck said:
If they're as good as Lazy Eye of any of the Locksley songs, that'd be great. If they're more like, say, thenewno2, that'd be a little disappointing.

See, Silversun Pickups are pretty big. Locksley, however, are absolutely nobody who MTV pushed on us. I'm hoping for a lot more of the former and a lot less of the latter. Maybe some Apollo Sunshine or Tokyo Police Club (meh, "Your English Is Good" is probably one of their few good songs, they're very inconsistent and probably not well-suited to the game) or something on that level. If they gave us Battles... well, they won't, but it would be awesome and fit into the potential of this.
 
Belgand said:
I never had any interest in it for a wide variety of reasons and adopted it as a handy label back as a freshman in high school when I got more involved in the local ska and punk scenes. I'm still with it now at 27 and I suspect I'll likely stay that way.

Yeah same here, but as a sophomore and punk / hardcore, not ska.
What part of the country are you in?
 
Belgand said:
Oh and I just noticed the x's. Way to go. We need more people on the edge around here. Still not as bad as (apparently) SA where it sounds like people think the only point of the game is to play it while drunk. I'll never understand why people would want to drink and play RB. I mean, it'll screw you up won't it?

I've been 'Edge my whole life (32 years now). Got the ink back in 2002.
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My thinking is pretty much along your lines. Just never really had an interest in the other side, and figured I could have enough fun without adding in artificial sweeteners. Means more money for DLC as well.
 
xbhaskarx said:
Could some Motley Crue fan please provide the rest of us with song recommendations and youtube videos?
AMUSIX said:
Holy shit...ok, screw you people hating on Crue...they've provided one of the most fun songs to play in the game. And Saints works so well mostly because it's closest to their work on Dr. Feelgood.

You may go 'meh' now, but I guarantee the charts will be a blast. Everyone points to Kickstart My Heart as a reason to get the album...and it's good, but it won't be the best track to play. For that, I'd say Sticky Sweet, Rattlesnake Shake and the title track will be the most fun.

added: also try Don't Go Away Mad (Just Go Away)

Oh, and Time for Change will probably suck.


edit: Plus, we finally have proper music to play for the strippers to dance to. Seriously, not a single song in Rock Band is suitable for pole dancing. And if you have to ask 'what strippers?' then I contend that you are handling your Rock Band parties wrong.
:D
 
xbhaskarx said:
Yeah same here, but as a sophomore and punk / hardcore, not ska.
What part of the country are you in?

Not just ska, but ska and punk/hardcore separately. None of that generally horrible poppy ska-punk crap that ruined most of the third-wave.

I grew up in Kansas City, but I live in San Francisco now because Kansas is a terrible, terrible place.

AMUSIX said:
Plus, we finally have proper music to play for the strippers to dance to. Seriously, not a single song in Rock Band is suitable for pole dancing. And if you have to ask 'what strippers?' then I contend that you are handling your Rock Band parties wrong.

I was once at a strip club with friends and a girl danced to Soul Asylum's "Runaway Train". This is quite possibly the worst song to strip to. Not only is it too slow, but it just reminds me of the video and well... runaway kids are really the wrong image to have with strippers.

Frankly I think AC/DC will help with this. They tend to make great music to strip to. I find "Hell's Bells" to be particularly suitable as it starts off slow with a nice, solid rhythm and then starts picking up at just about the right time.
 
Finally had a chance to play this week's songs.

Pretty Fly's crowd is fucking ABYSMAL. Seriously. It's border-line NOISE.

But Cream and Bastards Rise is my favorite song on drums. EVER!!!
 
M3wThr33 said:
Finally had a chance to play this week's songs.

Pretty Fly's crowd is fucking ABYSMAL. Seriously. It's border-line NOISE.

But Cream and Bastards Rise is my favorite song on drums. EVER!!!

cream and bastards rise is amazing on drums. sooo gooood.
 
Duck said:
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90409

Some podcast interviewed hmxsean and according to several people who've painstakingly listened to the whole thing, the 20 free songs are going to be from (paraphrasing here) "newer bands most people haven't heard of."

Best news out of the whole thing to me. I love indie stuff. And to prove it, here's 20 suitable bands I'd hope are on the list. See how many you know!

CDOASS
!!!
¡Forward, Russia!
The Radio Dept.
Maritime
Someone Still Loves You Boris Yeltsin
John Vanderslice
Suburban Kids With Biblical Names
Silver Jews
+/-
Chin Up Chin Up
Classic Tragic Hero
Say Hi
MK Ultra
Middle Distance Runner
Evils That Never Came
Takka Takka
Flight Crash Companion
No More Kings
Bombay Bicycle Club

I'm a complete indie whore. Sorry for the masturbatory list.
 
AMUSIX said:

Thanks.

Belgand said:
Not just ska, but ska and punk/hardcore separately. None of that generally horrible poppy ska-punk crap that ruined most of the third-wave.

I grew up in Kansas City, but I live in San Francisco now because Kansas is a terrible, terrible place.

I went to high school in MA but I've been in norcal since then. Were you in SF by the mid or late 90s? We may have gone to some of the same shows...

XShagrath said:
I've been 'Edge my whole life (32 years now).

Are either of you vegetarian or vegan?
 
TheGreatDave said:
I'd never be with my girl had I not got wasted with her and tricked my way in to her knickers. Alcohol rocks!

After not having seen my current girlfriend for over a year and being only casual friends at that time she climbed on top of me and started making out with me while completely sober with absolutely no prompting from me. I was actually rather surprised by it at the time. I think I win. :D

Considering we celebrated our eighth anniversary earlier this year I consider this an important lesson to the younger generation. The proper way to build a lasting relationship is unexpected make-outs.
 
Charron said:
Best news out of the whole thing to me. I love indie stuff. And to prove it, here's 20 suitable bands I'd hope are on the list. See how many you know!

!!!
The Radio Dept.
John Vanderslice
Suburban Kids With Biblical Names
Silver Jews
+/-

That's about it for me. Although Middle Distance Runner sounds vaguely familiar (and listening to some of their stuff now... awesome). The fact that you're into The Radio Dept. however... OMG HUGGZ@!@#$!@! I thought I was just about the only one.

Still, I think it means we'll get crap bands forced on them by MTV sort of like the Locksley pack, rather than awesome indie bands that Harmonix think are cool and want to include. Or, as they've shown in the past, are mainly just local bands that they're friends with and fans of and want to give exposure.

Edit: So I was just listening to more Apollo Sunshine with a critical ear and yeah "Today is the Day" I think could totally work in RB.

xbhaskarx said:
I went to high school in MA but I've been in norcal since then. Were you in SF by the mid or late 90s? We may have gone to some of the same shows...

Are either of you vegetarian or vegan?

Nope. Moved here in December of '06. I'm still a new arrival. Still, look me up for any future shows or anything else going on in the area.

I'm not even remotely vegetarian though because although I have persistent issues with the idea of raising animals just to kill and eat them... I absolutely love eating meat. Mmmm... veal.

At the same time I've found that although I absolutely loathe and fear spiders I can't bring myself to kill them or other insects (or arachnids for the pedants out there). I'm not normally much of an empathetic person, but I certainly wouldn't want some giant being to crush me just because I happened to unknowingly be near it and be found unpleasant. I'm pretty much a complete pacifist.

fistfulofmetal said:
I never liked the term straight edge.

But I'm drug and alcohol free as well. Only 20 years old, but I don't really see myself ever changing.

My biggest issue with it is how it's been given a bad name recently by the over-zealous. I mainly just use it because it's a handy term.
 
rohlfinator said:
Maybe they should put a tip on one of the splash screens suggesting jumping from medium guitar -> hard bass -> hard guitar.

Playing bass is a really good way to get accustomed with the orange fret without having to deal with some of the faster guitar work. A few of my friends and I learned that way, and it was a lot more manageable than jumping straight into hard guitar.
I don't really have a problem with the faster charts — for me, it's the orange button and that's it. I always played medium in GH, as it left the orange button out but offered enough difficulty. In RB, I five-starred every song on my first try in medium. It was so incredibly easy and boring compared to GH (more authentic charts though, I know), that I was finally going to make it a point to move up to hard with RB2.

I'm really having a tough time so far, but it's only because of the orange button. Because I can't figure out where to keep my hand half the time, so I'm fucking up on stuff that I'd otherwise have no problem nailing. And I guess it doesn't help that I'm using a strat for the first time, either. I'm trying to adjust to that, too, which isn't exactly easy compared to how different it is from the Les.
 
ugh.

just broke my foot a few hours ago. This is going to put a serious hinderence on my drumming for the next several months. :(

I've managed to break both my feet this past year... ugh.
 
fistfulofmetal said:
I never liked the term straight edge.

But I'm drug and alcohol free as well. Only 20 years old, but I don't really see myself ever changing.
I didn't have my first drink until I was 23. I started to claim edge in 8th grade when I discovered Victory Records (lolz), but kind of quit using the label by the end of high school. After that, I still didn't drink, but just didn't want to so definitively label myself. Eventually, I just got to a point where I wanted to try alcohol; just to see how it felt, I guess. Obviously, it wasn't a social, peer-pressure thing, considering that I had gotten through my high school and college years where that sort've thing would've had the most sway.

I'm still not a big drinker, though. I just have a few beers occasionally (and by that I mean maybe a couple of times of month) with a good meal or while watching a ball game with friends. I don't think I'll ever have a desire to purposefully get drunk — that's when, as Belgand mentioned, your consciousness and behavior are altered. Having a buzz isn't exactly like that; it's more like being slightly happier and warm while still inherently feeling like yourself. Anything beyond that doesn't really interest me. Plus, drinking is fucking expensive (unless you exclusively drink PBR like most of my friends), and I just don't have the money to support such a habit. I'd rather spend my cash on more constructive things — like, you know, the $600 I've put toward Rock Band games, instruments and DLC. :lol

I really have the utmost respect for you guys who've stuck with it, though. After spending many years in the hardcore community, I've seen countless edge friends drop the label and become heavy drinkers and drug users — I've don't think I have a single one left who's stuck by it. So please don't interpret this post as a dig against you straight edge folks. I don't mean it that way at all — just sharing my experience.

Belgand said:
The fact that you're into The Radio Dept. however... OMG HUGGZ@!@#$!@! I thought I was just about the only one.
My girlfriend likes them, and she has terrible taste in music. So you're not the only one. But really, they're not bad; I just haven't given them a decent listen.
 
The Jer said:
ugh.

just broke my foot a few hours ago. This is going to put a serious hinderence on my drumming for the next several months. :(

I've managed to break both my feet this past year... ugh.
Care to tell us how it happened? I like bone breaking stories.
 
Pre-ordered at Best Buy today.

Looks like Microsoft has fucked PS3/Wii owners out of a Midnight launch. None of the retailers I spoke with are planning on anything special for the PS3/Wii launches of the game.

Yes, I'd like to be able to play Rockband with my friends Saturday, take a break to run to the store and pick up RB2, then come home and play it with them - but nooooo now I can't.

Just another reason to raze their campus and salt the Earth upon which it stood.
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
Pre-ordered at Best Buy today.

Looks like Microsoft has fucked PS3/Wii owners out of a Midnight launch. None of the retailers I spoke with are planning on anything special for the PS3/Wii launches of the game.

Yes, I'd like to be able to play Rockband with my friends Saturday, take a break to run to the store and pick up RB2, then come home and play it with them - but nooooo now I can't.

Just another reason to raze their campus and salt the Earth upon which it stood.

When it came out for Xbox 360 none of the stores near me did a midnight launch (and they usually do midnight launches for bigger titles). I ended up getting it from Blockbuster at midnight since they're open until 1 AM.
 
Struct09 said:
When it came out for Xbox 360 none of the stores near me did a midnight launch (and they usually do midnight launches for bigger titles). I ended up getting it from Blockbuster at midnight since they're open until 1 AM.

:lol

Nice.

I'm going with Best Buy because I have gift cards, just cheeses me off because there's a store nearby that normally does midnight launches; but they blew their wad on this one already. Stupid staggered launches. :\
 
vatstep said:
I don't really have a problem with the faster charts — for me, it's the orange button and that's it. I always played medium in GH, as it left the orange button out but offered enough difficulty. In RB, I five-starred every song on my first try in medium. It was so incredibly easy and boring compared to GH (more authentic charts though, I know), that I was finally going to make it a point to move up to hard with RB2.

Oddly sometimes my biggest problem with GH3 was that the orange button wasn't used more. I'm very comfortable with using it (actually, I want a few more buttons and if it was possible to represent on-screen without being a confusing mess I'd like to have a few more rows so we can have multiple strings... but that's going a bit too far for a game) and sometimes I'd like to play a slightly easier chart for a song that isn't going to brutalize me, but that still respects my fluency with the controller. I guess moving to orange was a bit tricky when I first did it, but honestly GH1 had such a great learning curve that I found it really easy to move over. "Hey" was particularly good for me to get used to casually moving up and down the fretboard without even thinking about it. "Sweet Child 'O Mine"'s intro is much the same, but I'd been playing for a lot longer when I got to that.

vatstep said:
I didn't have my first drink until I was 23. I started to claim edge in 8th grade when I discovered Victory Records (lolz), but kind of quit using the label by the end of high school. After that, I still didn't drink, but just didn't want to so definitively label myself. Eventually, I just got to a point where I wanted to try alcohol; just to see how it felt, I guess. Obviously, it wasn't a social, peer-pressure thing, considering that I had gotten through my high school and college years where that sort've thing would've had the most sway.

I'm still not a big drinker, though. I just have a few beers occasionally (and by that I mean maybe a couple of times of month) with a good meal or while watching a ball game with friends. I don't think I'll ever have a desire to purposefully get drunk — that's when, as Belgand mentioned, your consciousness and behavior are altered. Having a buzz isn't exactly like that; it's more like being slightly happier and warm while still inherently feeling like yourself. Anything beyond that doesn't really interest me.

I'm just not at all curious. It holds very little appeal to me and I don't want to introduce a harmful substance into my body when it's much easier to avoid compared to pretty much anything else. I'm also at fairly high risk for alcoholism from both sides of my family, but that honestly has absolutely nothing to do with it, just a lucky chance that I'm otherwise choosing to abstain.

At the same time I don't hold anything against people who just drink casually, moderately, and on occasion. I do, however, have something against the sort of people who would choose not to eat at a restaurant just because they don't have a liquor license. The kind who feel like alcohol is a necessary part of all social functions. To whom "going out" means "getting drunk". I think that this is a dangerous and weirdly pervasive part of our culture and while we recognize and condemn it in teenagers and college students a lot of adults continue to hypocritically engage in the same behaviors. But a glass of wine with dinner or a beer with friends? It's certainly not my choice, but not the sort of thing I'm going to have a problem with.

Hell, I like hanging out at bars which is honestly a bit of a problem. Before moving I used to go to one in particular because I played trivia there weekly, was friendly with the staff, and a friend of mine who didn't have a car and did drink liked going so it worked out perfectly with me as a constantly designated driver. If anyone here watched The Amazing Race Dave Spiker was a waiter and bartender there (I certainly didn't, I only became aware of it one night when I showed up for trivia and wondered why Dave was on the big TV) and we were pretty friendly and would hang out there on Monday nights when it was otherwise pretty dead and he tended bar. It does seem odd to me, however, that such a basic sort of social interaction is so exclusively related to alcohol as it would seem to have no other reasonable relationship. This social concept of alcohol is just something I don't think I'll ever entirely understand. Sort of like why parties seem to inherently involve drinking or why getting really drunk is apparently fun to so many people.

The biggest problem for me is one of cooking. It's occasionally a huge pain in the ass to try and deal with various recipes. Yeah, it'll often cook off, but that's not really the point. I don't need to a have a bottle of whatever minus maybe a few tablespoons just sitting around the house doing nothing. Especially wine where it'll go bad rather quickly. Non-alcoholic wine (the Ariel brand is probably one of the only ones even worth mentioning) generally works fairly well though although even I can taste where it's clearly lacking body (mainly the red) that the alcohol would have imparted.

vatstep said:
Plus, drinking is fucking expensive (unless you exclusively drink PBR like most of my friends), and I just don't have the money to support such a habit. I'd rather spend my cash on more constructive things — like, you know, the $600 I've put toward Rock Band games, instruments and DLC. :lol

Yeah. My girlfriend and I still try to buy soda for around a maximum of $5 for a 24 pack which used to be pretty easy to find before we moved. It's one of the few things where prices are actually noticeably higher. I can't possibly fathom the amount of money people spend on alcohol.

vatstep said:
I really have the utmost respect for you guys who've stuck with it, though. After spending many years in the hardcore community, I've seen countless edge friends drop the label and become heavy drinkers and drug users — I've don't think I have a single one left who's stuck by it. So please don't interpret this post as a dig against you straight edge folks. I don't mean it that way at all — just sharing my experience.

Yeah, me too. I suspect just about everyone in the community has had the same experience. I find it interesting that a lot of people seem to have the same problem that we tend to get with abstinence pledges where they're just holding themselves back from something that they really want to do and when they finally give in it's almost always with disastrous consequences. The people who find that it's just not for them and are reasonable about it though I have the same respect for. It's definitely not my choice, but if you're going to be responsible then I have no qualms with it, especially when I see a lot of other people who don't have particularly responsible attitudes.

I mean, I don't want to be anally fisted in the middle of the afternoon on a city street while a small crowd of people watch*, but if that's what you're into then hey, feel free. I don't see how that could be harming anyone.

*An incident that occurred about two weeks ago at Folsom Street Fair: a major civic event celebrating the leather and BDSM communities, especially the gay leather community. It's one of the reasons why San Francisco is one of the best damn places on Earth for having something so otherwise fringe and offensive to prudish sensibilities be a major, well-known, public event that's criticized in some circles for being too mainstream. A friend saw a female domme urinating into a man's mouth through a short tube she carried for this purpose just standing around on the sidewalk and same-sex fellatio, while I believe it's become less common, is still readily going on, say, in front of the port-a-potties.

vatstep said:
My girlfriend likes them, and she has terrible taste in music. So you're not the only one. But really, they're not bad; I just haven't given them a decent listen.

They're pretty much just good modern shoegaze. I think I discovered them either directly off of the Shelflife records website while looking at some other bands or possibly through a mention on the now-defunct blog Teaching the Indie Kids To Dance Again. I just assumed that they were still a pretty minor act distributed on a largely unheard-of indie label. Since I've never really heard anyone else ever mention them I never even knew people had heard of them.
 
I'll have to see just how much of an improvement the Guitar and Drum sets are to determine if I just get the game or if I get the special edition... 60$ sounds a bunch better than 190$ right now though.
 
I'm still in the borderline to whether get Guitar Hero World Tour or Rock Band II. I love the tracklist to Rock Band II a lot more and I'm not really digging that much the tracklist to World Tour. I've played Rock Band II and the guitar parts are relatively easy but damn do they know how to make the drums badass, but I know the charts to World Tour are off the hook in difficulty and fun. Which would you recommend me to buy?
 
I'm on the crazy-end getting full versions of both.

Right now I'd recommend BOTH games and instruments you prefer.

I almost feel like it should be a poll and I think HMX fucked themselves by releasing early without a bundle. I have a feeling the 'early' purchasers on the 360 will just get the GHWT bundle now since it's all compatible.

I'm VERY interested in seeing the ratio of RB2/GHWT bundles of PS3 versus 360. GHWT will easily outsell RB2 on the 360 I bet.
 
I'm interested in both, but the thing is I'm a Wii owner so I don't know if the instruments will be compatible with one another. I mean I could buy both games but that would just be a lot of peripherals. :lol And I know both games have already confirmed DLC and the other features of the two other consoles. I guess I'm leaning more towards World Tour solely on the fact that I own GH 3 and I already have a guitar.
 
M3wThr33 said:
I'm VERY interested in seeing the ratio of RB2/GHWT bundles of PS3 versus 360. GHWT will easily outsell RB2 on the 360 I bet.

I predict a lot of parents buying GH:WT come Christmas because it's had more name recognition than RB. At the same time there's the other end where they know their kid wants "the rock band game" and they see something with specifically that name on the shelf. The opposite to this is true and was perhaps more of a problem in the past cycle when they thought "they want that guitar game".

I'm far, far more interested in the holiday sales more than anything. Especially since it means that most of the actual adult fans will have already made their purchases well before then.
 
Belgand said:
I predict a lot of parents buying GH:WT come Christmas because it's had more name recognition than RB. At the same time there's the other end where they know their kid wants "the rock band game" and they see something with specifically that name on the shelf. The opposite to this is true and was perhaps more of a problem in the past cycle when they thought "they want that guitar game".

I don't know about "that guitar game". Guitar Hero name recognition is huge. The kids will be asking for guitar hero. If anything they might be getting On Tour the poor saps
 
I think it's pretty inevitable that World Tour is going to sell more due to it being a common already. The fact that it has "Guitar Hero" will make it sell.
 
Johnkers said:
I don't know about "that guitar game". Guitar Hero name recognition is huge. The kids will be asking for guitar hero. If anything they might be getting On Tour the poor saps

Not necessarily. Name recognition is big, but Rock Band has brought about a lot of name recognition by being first as well. I think a lot more people now know about Rock Being being the band game out there while they still tend to think of Guitar Hero as a guitar game.

The names are also different enough, but with generic elements that I can see confusion happening either way depending on a number of factors.

At the same time you'll also have kids who already have Rock Band and potential issues from the parents not knowing about the game-only version or compatibility between instruments. Some kids might not have gotten Rock Band now or in the past because the parents only know that they have GH and assume that they're totally different (or made the mistake that "the kid has a damn plastic guitar so they can play all plastic guitar games... why shouldn't they be able to?" back when that wasn't the case).

I think it'll be interesting to see all the possible permutations of parental failure and assumption that go into this.

I should probably talk to my father about this at some point. He used to be a marketing executive and as a disinterested party who knows nothing about this will also provide some insight on how far name recognition is on both sides. I'm just really, really interested in how much the massive success of Rock Band has accomplished and where things stand after the split.

It reminds me of an old story in the Onion about getting a copy of a film in pan and scan because it was marked "Full Screen". Seriously, that shit needs to stop. Nobody ever needs to own anything in pan and scan and it just shouldn't be sold. I hate the people who want it quite a lot, but the executives who provide it need to be beaten with a pool cue until their retinas detach. The people who whine for it after it's been removed from the market for a while will merely have pine cones repeated forced into their anuses. Seriously, they've had more than enough time to know better. I also find it crazy that even in this modern era we still get movies on TV that are pan and scan as well.
 
Well, yeah, Guitar Hero has the name recognition, but that lead could be gone by now, especially as the Rock Band marketing is in full motion.
 
OK, this is about as off-topic as it can get, but what in the fuck. My neighbor consistently has her young, three or four year-old daughter up until around 1 AM or so. At least midnight or so on most nights. I mean, in other ways she clearly shows herself to be a terrible parent, but this is just amazing to me. The sort of sensible thing that everyone else just inherently grasps. Hell, my girlfriend is in bed before this child most of the time.
 
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