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MrOctober said:
Cork can you tell someone in the Devil Rays front office to have the team settle the fuck down please? Where did this team fucking come from?
We're just the Rays now bitchass.

The team has been good since 07. Last year the young pitchers were developing (needed because of the Kazmir to LAA trade) and Pena got injured in August which was huge. More importantly, where the fuck are the bats in Boston? Such a good team on paper.

oh and we actually have a closer now!

Archie said:
Explains why Fable 3 is 360 exclusiv....oh
Fable isn't good.
 
corkscrewblow said:
We're just the Rays now bitchass.

The team has been good since 07. Last year the young pitchers were developing (needed because of the Kazmir to LAA trade) and Pena got injured in August which was huge. More importantly, where the fuck are the bats in Boston? Such a good team on paper.

oh and we actually have a closer now!


Fable isn't good.
Bats aren't our problem actually. The Sox are in first or second place in most of the hitting categories in the league. They've just been getting beat up in the pitching department and have poor defense. Which is the exact opposite of what we were sold as a team this year.
 
corkscrewblow said:
We're just the Rays now bitchass.

The team has been good since 07. Last year the young pitchers were developing (needed because of the Kazmir to LAA trade) and Pena got injured in August which was huge. More importantly, where the fuck are the bats in Boston? Such a good team on paper.

oh and we actually have a closer now!
The hell is this crap?
 
MrOctober said:
The only problem I have with people saying Lost is the best show ever is that the only real test that matters is the test of time. It just ended and it's still fresh in your head and it's all you're thinking about so it's very easy to for other things to get forgotten. Staying relevant and recommended after a decent chunk of time has gone by and people can evaluate from a distance without a geekgasm bias is a huge task. Taking a step back from something and then still appreciating it as much as you used to is very hard to accomplish. The test of time is really the one that determines best show ever.
I'd have to agree that it's pretty amazing how fast some of this stuff ages; Seinfeld was a damn phenomenon at the time and you can't even quote from it anymore. And I don't mean the goofy in-joke stuff, I mean words like "shrinkage" and "spongeworthy" that use to be part of the zeitgeist.
 
Fable 2 is good. Then again nearly no one's looking forward to Fable 3 so maybe that's the minority opinion :|

Btw, Halo Reach's coming out September 14th, RB3 (or no other games for that matter) to launch in September confirmed.
 
DuckRacer said:
Fable 2 is good. Then again nearly no one's looking forward to Fable 3 so maybe that's the minority opinion :|

Btw, Halo Reach's coming out September 14th, RB3 (or no other games for that matter) to launch in September confirmed.
Gotta push out Halo before CoD:BO destroys it. :(
 
MrOctober said:
Also when you people say best show ever are you actually saying "my favorite show ever"? Because there have been countless shows before you were born that you may not have seen or even resonate with you currently that changed television but never get brought up in these arguments. Mash's finale had more people watch it than anything in the history of television (until the most recent super bowl) so I'm sure a ton of those people could make a far stronger case that that show is superior to your favorite show.

I normally lurk this thread but figured I'd jump in here. Mash's big numbers were also due to less competition since cable wasn't nearly as prevalent, DVRs were called VCRs and you were fucked if the power went out before the show recorded, and the internet wasn't readily available either. I'm not saying Lost would have beat it with all things being equal but it's numbers are a bit skewed due to the time period it aired in.
 
I don't think LOST's viewership was anywhere as large as they would make you think it was. I'm sure (like any show of its type) a lot of people jumped ship after it started getting long in the tooth. American TV is generally abysmal when it comes to pacing. I know we've had this discussion before, but ugh...television drama is farts: intriguing at first but then you realize its just a whiff of shit.
 
Affeinvasion said:
I don't think LOST's viewership was anywhere as large as they would make you think it was. I'm sure (like any show of its type) a lot of people jumped ship after it started getting long in the tooth. American TV is generally abysmal when it comes to pacing. I know we've had this discussion before, but ugh...television drama is farts: intriguing at first but then you realize its just a whiff of shit.

Average viewership:

S1 15.69
S2 15.50
S3 15.05
S4 13.40
S5 11.05

S6 will probably hover around 10 or so. Obvious decline but nothing too radical considering just how serialised it is.
 
I do wish that the experiments that they half-assed last season with self-contained one season shows like Harper's Island had been more successful; too often do networks jizz over themselves and demand sweeping changes when a show makes it big and decide to change the format to suit the breakout stars, rather than sticking to the plan.

Yes, I am talking about the shitheap that was Heroes.

Anyways, I'd like to see more attempts at the former since it's actually difficult for me to justify watching a lot of serialized TV outside of Venture Bros. (thanks to its long breaks, really) and there is some solid writing going on on the networks.
 
corkscrewblow said:
I beat it and I never noticed any. Just make sure to turn the contrast and saturation up in the settings and it looks much better.
They have this sick deal at FS. Trade 5, get 3. Think I'm gonna get rdr along with Blur and not sure about the 3rd.
 
MrOctober said:
Well that's unfair. You can't just throw that line out there like that. My favorite movie is definitely not what I think the best movie ever is. There's a difference. And I understand that both represent a fine line that can't be accurately measured but still.
Well, it's not really fair, but a lot of people tend to just mention something is the "best ever" when it might not exactly be the case. Unless someone is actually breaking down why it's the best ever, I'm just going to assume it is their favorite program/movie/album/etc at that moment.
 
Isn't it Dharma Lady?

24 finale was a good season finale but the absolute worst series finale ever. Wtf were they thikinh they set up all this shit with tony and this organization in season 7 and decided not to even touch on it when they knew this could be a possibility.

That being said Chuck was fuck awesome.
 
I can't believe I'm not excited about Pantera tonight. Fuck them and their choice of Trendkill. I'd really like to know who's call that was...I mean, is there a rights/writing credit thing I'm not aware of? Something similar to Skid Row's 'greatest hits' debacle?



Also, although LOST seasons 1 and 6 are excellent, truly some of the best seasons of any show, the trainwrecks that are seasons 2 and 3 prevent the entire series to ever be considered among the best of all time. Seasons 4 and 5 were impressive in their ability to clean up and wipe away the bad taste left by the preceding seasons.

As for best series of all time? Not sure what I'd give it to, but I'd be shocked if it didn't come from HBO, with The Wire, Sopranos, and Deadwood leading the way. And a comedy can absolutely be considered one of the best, especially with the likes of Mary Tyler Moore, All in the Family, and MASH.
 
Terrordactyl said:
Isn't it Dharma Lady?

24 finale was a good season finale but the absolute worst series finale ever. Wtf were they thikinh they set up all this shit with tony and this organization in season 7 and decided not to even touch on it when they knew this could be a possibility.

That being said Chuck was fuck awesome.
Welp, Renee tortured and nearly killed the head honcho of teh supar secret organization, time to transform her into a plot device that causes Jack to rampage for several episodes and suddenly not do anything in the finale!

The series really should've ended at season 5, just cut off the Chinese kidnapping.
 
AMUSIX said:
I can't believe I'm not excited about Pantera tonight. Fuck them and their choice of Trendkill. I'd really like to know who's call that was...I mean, is there a rights/writing credit thing I'm not aware of? Something similar to Skid Row's 'greatest hits' debacle?
The worst thing about the album is that HMX will likely never release a Pantera greatest hits 6/10/12-pack now. :/ Floods should be awesome and the first good non-RBN DLC in months but still. Hopefully we get Guns 'N Roses at E3.
Also, although LOST seasons 1 and 6 are excellent, truly some of the best seasons of any show, the trainwrecks that are seasons 2 and 3 prevent the entire series to ever be considered among the best of all time. Seasons 4 and 5 were impressive in their ability to clean up and wipe away the bad taste left by the preceding seasons.
How were S2/3 trainwrecks? Sure they had some rough areas, but S2 gave us Ben and Desmond and the second half of S3 was Lost at its best.
 
DuckRacer said:
How were S2/3 trainwrecks? Sure they had some rough areas, but S2 gave us Ben and Desmond and the second half of S3 was Lost at its best.
The worst thing about LOST is that there was no plan. They didn't map out the series from the beginning (or, if someone did, he didn't bother to mention it to others). Season 1 got away with the constant introduction and ignoring of characters and threads because it was still carrying the stumbling confusion of the group after a plane crash. However, by season 2, there was still no direction, and the writers were piling on as many mysteries as they could think up, just to see which would be the most interesting to follow (the same way they did with characters). The good that came out of the 2nd and 3rd seasons were purely accidental (Desmond is a prime example of this). The whole 'let public opinion be our guide' mentality hurt it the most in S2 and S3, and really made the show come across as a mess.

LOST would benefit greatly if they were able to go back and rewrite/refilm seasons 1-3 now that they know how it ends.
 
I've mentioned this before, but what Amusix said is the reason I tend to prefer the format of shows in other countries. The series is planned out from the beginning, and it has a clear ending. For some shows the "never ending" format works, like sitcoms. But shows like Lost, hell even How I Met Your Mother, work best if there is a set line of events.
 
I personally prefer the write as you go approach, there's not much wiggle room for creativity otherwise, but eventually a shark will be jumped with this format.
 
AMUSIX said:
I can't believe I'm not excited about Pantera tonight. Fuck them and their choice of Trendkill. I'd really like to know who's call that was...I mean, is there a rights/writing credit thing I'm not aware of? Something similar to Skid Row's 'greatest hits' debacle?

I would chew off my nut sack for Vulgar Display of Power, the whole Album would be grabbed before its had time to cool down. As it is I may get one song but I have no idea which as I listened to that album on release and didn't like it, never listened to it again. I'm in the same boat as you now and can't believe I'm 'meh' at the Pantera DLC :(

Worst thing is, if it doesn't sell like they hoped, some idiot in HMX may think its not worth putting up any songs off the VDoP album...

like you say, surely there must be some kind of an issue with songs off that album for them not to go with it?!
 
AMUSIX said:
The worst thing about LOST is that there was no plan. They didn't map out the series from the beginning (or, if someone did, he didn't bother to mention it to others). Season 1 got away with the constant introduction and ignoring of characters and threads because it was still carrying the stumbling confusion of the group after a plane crash. However, by season 2, there was still no direction, and the writers were piling on as many mysteries as they could think up, just to see which would be the most interesting to follow (the same way they did with characters). The good that came out of the 2nd and 3rd seasons were purely accidental (Desmond is a prime example of this). The whole 'let public opinion be our guide' mentality hurt it the most in S2 and S3, and really made the show come across as a mess.

LOST would benefit greatly if they were able to go back and rewrite/refilm seasons 1-3 now that they know how it ends.

Usually you are right, but this time I find myself thinking you are wrong.

Also the best TV show ever was Firefly.
 
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