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Rockstar Games introduces GTA+ on GTA:O
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XXL
Gold Member
Explain it to me, what is the point I'm missing?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
XXL
Gold Member
I think youre missing the point. It more a "be careful what you wish for" scenario.
If you want an example, look at how MTX has affected everything, everywhere and that started out with armour for a fucking horse.
Do you know why we haven't gotten a new GTA game since PS3?
Microsoft is trying to repair their image with Gamepass. Rockstar has sold over 150M copies of GTAV.
Don't get so hellbent on Microsoft "winning" that you don't understand where this is going to lead with established juggernauts (like GTA) in this industry. Same goes for PlayStation.
drotahorror
Member
Because the grind for in-game money is atrocious. Unless you've been playing forever and have a crew to do jobs etc, grinding money solo is fucking awful. They've done this on purpose to get you to buy the shark cards and now a monthly sub.
Freeman76
Member
Cracks me up all the people going bald over this. You don't have to buy it, in which case it literally doesn't affect your life in any way. Such a waste of energy being mad at shit for the sake of it, especially an optional transaction in a game most of you don't own anyway because you were too salty at having to pay for it. This thread is jokes 
anothertech
Member
They just need to turn it into World of GTA at this point. WoG. The modern WoW clone.
And actually make content.
And actually make content.
PendekarRajawali
Member
Gamers keep buying the same game over and over again, if I were Rockstar, I would do the same.
Freeman76
Member
I think youre missing the point. It more a "be careful what you wish for" scenario.
If you want an example, look at how MTX has affected everything, everywhere and that started out with armour for a fucking horse.
Do you know why we haven't gotten a new GTA game since PS3?
Microsoft is trying to repair their image with Gamepass. Rockstar has sold over 150M copies of GTAV.
Don't get so hellbent on Microsoft "winning" that you don't understand where this is going to lead with established juggernauts (like GTA) in this industry. Same goes for PlayStation.
You are looking at this with a very narrow mindset. There are tons of games that havent fallen into MTX territory.
CherryFalls
Banned
Sad to see such a fall from grace by DMA Design
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I doubt anyone from the DMA days is still there? I think just Aaron Garbut? Leslie Benzies, Craig Conner, David Jones, Mike Daily, etc (around 50% of the studio) have been long gone since 2014.
firegamer273
Member
this is bonkers .
Aenima
Member
Cayo Perico heist is the money making for solo players. And its a pretty fun heist to do in stealth, gives me Metal Gear vibes. New players start with 4 million and to start the heist you need to buy a submarine that costs around 2 million.
I have been doing in average 1.3 million per hour just doing this heist solo. Heist is pretty easy to do as well in stealth. That cuts alot of time during preparation cuz u dont need to sabotage the helicopters, armor and weapons of the enemy.
Heist can also be done in a private server, so u dont have to deal with ppl that turned the free mode into a battle royale.
*next quarter conference call*
WOW, record breaking results as GTAO continues to push us into pure profit and into our next billion thanks to GTA+!
wvnative
Member
As promised, THE NEGATIVES
Essentially, despite this awesome foundation, R* has bent over backwards to ruin the game.
It launched with only a few story missions and the stranger missions, no roles, no bounties, i understand it was new, but that bare bones left a bad first impression, and also the best missions paid $3 MAX...MAX! Game out of the gate was far grindier than GTA. This got re balanced in a couple weeks, but again, first impressions...not good.
But by May 2019, they were slowly adding new missions, bugs were getting fixed, but it was still lacking a core identity. Story missions didn't even have difficulty select for replay value. Was pretty boring tbh...
September 2019, the 3 main roles were added, and I immediately saw what their goal for the game was. Already explained why their great in my previous post, but yeah, great times. Plus they addeded legendary bounties every week for ten weeks. Things were looking soooooooo up.
Only a few weeks after that update do alarm bells begin to sound. For most people, animals stopped spawning in the world, this would not get fixed properly for MONTHS, they would eventually patch it, it'd break again, they'd fix it in like 5 months, but then it'd still be spotty. This was a CRITICAL ISSUE that took wayyyyyyy too long to fix, hunting is the most essential money making method. Also broken for months on end: Camp spawning, also a critical issue.
I still had fun though, daily challenges rewarded you with gold, and the reward would multiply if you did at least one challenge every day. These were also a fantastic way to engage with the world, forcing you to learn where to find specific plants and animals, using all your options in combat etc...and it was REWARDING.
Game however was in a flux, between that update and Summer 2020, new stuff was fun, but those bugs were not getting fixed fast enough. The summer 2020 update gave us NATURALIST, an alternative to trading, now you can hunt animals by sedating them and selling bio-samples to Harriet. People hated this update since it wasn't that fun...
Christmas 2020... they royally effed the game. Moonshine role was added, cool idea, but slow and not as profitable as existing roles. It did however come with a set of story missions related to the moonshine role which was neat, and a difficulty select was added for replay value. A mediocre new role wasn't bad, it was what else came with it.
THEY CUT THE DAILY CHALLENGE GOLD REWARD IN HALF, AND FORCE RESET THE MULTIPLIER STREAK AT THE END OF THE MONTH NOW
Yep, this killed the game for me, i'd still play for fun but was done with dailies. They did try to make up for it by adding battle passes that cost gold, and these were fun...until they started locking new skills behind the battle pass.
Rockstar pretty much killed all my enthusiasm for the game in a few days. They did backtrack on the skills thing, but it was obvious what was going on.
TL
R: Making gold and cash was too easy, Rockstar tried to overcorrect, and since then there was only one more update in July 2021, the blood money update, which was an okay update adding discount GTA heists.The game hasn't gotten even a bug fix patch since August, with no communication from Rockstar, and weekly bonuses are now monthly. Game seems dead. No new battle passes since October I think? And it's still buggy.
Now they want people to buy a half ass sub to a half ass port of a 10 year old game.
Venuspower
Member
And absolutely deservedly so.
CuteFaceJay
Member
Reminds me of the BF3/4 Premium.
So it begins. Funnily enough, if you have a gta+ you're now a prime target for griefing by the community lol
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That's why we use the solo lobby tricks. Which still work, even playing with mates.
So it begins. Funnily enough, if you have a gta+ you're now a prime target for griefing by the community lol
TVexperto
Member
how does it work?That's why we use the solo lobby tricks. Which still work, even playing with mates.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Either set your MTU in the network settings to 700, once lobby is established, have friends load in (not near you or it will kick either one of you), then exit and change your MTU back to auto and log back into the lobby your friends held.
Or the other method is to rapidly bounce around lobbies until you secure a solo. They usually stay solo the entire session. Just make sure “matchmaking” is turned off as well.
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Rocco Schiavone
Member
Rockstar are so fucked bruh, the next game is going to be wank.
@Greedstar
I guess they changed more but nobody is Investigation.
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0neAnd0nly
Member
This doesn't affect me, I don't play GTA:O, but yeah - the more people get bummed withc urrent rockstar and temper their expectations of the future of the studio, the better the disappointment of future titles will handled.
R* has lost many key people and elements that made it soar to the top the last 20 years. I think nostalgia keeps people rosy towards the name, but I don't think there will be universal gamer praise for the franchises moving forward.
R* has lost many key people and elements that made it soar to the top the last 20 years. I think nostalgia keeps people rosy towards the name, but I don't think there will be universal gamer praise for the franchises moving forward.
Aenima
Member
Thats how i have been playing the game, with the MTU at 700. Always stay solo in a public lobby, from time to time 1 or 2 players are also able to join my lobby, dunno if its ppl also using the same trick.
Rockstar really need a non PVP free mode option. Maybe for GTA6. Games like Conan Exiles have pvp and pve servers so player can choose how they want to play the game.
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Calling 911 Melts Beams
Banned
paying real money to commit virtual crimes is a sound business strategy
Venuspower
Member
There is no need for the last part. Changing the MTU and then joining a session is good enough. Friends can join without any problems. Quitting the Lobby and changing the MTU back again while you are playing is also not necessary. It is actually only important to reset the MTU if you no longer play GTA Online/if you do not want to be in a solo public lobby anymore.
Also note: Sometimes you will not immediately end up in a completely empty lobby. Then just look for a new lobby.
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Freeman76
Member
Also he said you can change MTU in the network settings, on Xbox i cant find this?
Venuspower
Member
Afaik XBox does not have a MTU setting. But there should be other methods for solo public lobbys for XBox on YouTube that are still working.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I thought the MTU will kick one of you if you get too close to one another?
Apologies, you can manually set the MTU on the PS4/5. You can't manually change on the Xbox itself, you would have to do it via the router in that case.
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Freeman76
Member
Their next game will be their Andromeda
I think people are overlooking what one of the main purposes of this is. They are introducing it in a old game, therefore it won’t get as much backlash from people, older games don’t get talked about as much. But what they are really doing is setting people up for the idea for a subscription service for GTA. So when GTA 6 comes out people will already be used to the idea and it won’t get nearly as much hate as if it was introduced ONLY for the new one.
0neAnd0nly
Member
I mean, people will be in denial for a bit. Critics will probably score it well. But the writing is on the wall IMO.
- People instrumental in building the GTA empire have left. Arguably most of the most important pieces.
- The game and company who built the top of the mountain by being offensive and bucking censorship, are now scared to be offensive and censoring their own games
- They haven't released a game 4 years, no direction on what is actually happening, and their release schedules and cancellation over the last 10 years keep getting murkier and murkier. Seriously, would any other major studio get this leeway?
- Open World fatigue is a real thing, it isn't as novelty as it was when GTA5 launched
- MTx. Oh sweet, sweet Mtx.
Venuspower
Member
Maybe it was an issue in the past for a short amount of time. But even then I do not remember ever having this issue.
Aenima
Member
I found this method for xbox, dunno if it still works.
Other method i found that used to work in all platforms, is disconnecting the router cable and conecting it back in fast, this was suposed to cause the game to lag and send u to a lobby alone.